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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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DragonParadox said:
But we have no real choice but to push their buttons now more than ever if we want to survive.
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We already had no choice, Britton being dead does not change that.

Everytime we made a new thing they would get pissy, and now they still get pissy, no change.

Its our actions that would result in the war, not one Brittons death.
 
Alex pears said:
We already had no choice, Britton being dead does not change that.

Everytime we made a new thing they would get pissy, and now they still get pissy, no change.

Its our actions that would result in the war, not one Brittons death.
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Yes it does. Britton had a chance, a small one but a chance nontheless, to keep things from devolving into war. Now the civil war is certain, will come quicker and likely be more destructive.
 
The annyoing thing are the high live-expectancies of high ranking AdMechs. If the just lived something like 100 years we could wait for a newer, more openminded generation to take over, but nooo, they have to reach the 1000 if they just replace enough meat with their techno-BS.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yes it does. Britton had a chance, a small one but a chance nontheless, to keep things from devolving into war. Now the civil war is certain, will come quicker and likely be more destructive.
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No. Now you are just making an assumption.

We do not know anyhting about his replacement besides they share the same views and have less influence.

That does not mean a civil war is inevitable. This is not "OH THE GRIM DARK."

Prove to me that Britton was the only thing standing between us and an Admech civil war and I will accept that, but right now you're just being depressing for the heck of it.
 
Alex pears said:
No. Now you are just making an assumption.

We do not know anyhting about his replacement besides they share the same views and have less influence.

That does not mean a civil war is inevitable. This is not "OH THE GRIM DARK."

Prove to me that Britton was the only thing standing between us and an Admech civil war and I will accept that, but right now you're just being depressing for the heck of it.
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You are triple-posting.
 
DragonParadox said:
Because we no longer have his influence to keep the conservatives in check. I never said the civil war would be instant.
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I know I am the last person who should accuse anyone of this with my rants about navy, but:

Are you daft?

It is not Britton who kept (rabid, according to you) conservatives from anything; It was these conservative members who slowed down his reforms. With Britton death, reforms will simply slow down instead of reverting to Imperial status quo as you claim.

Also, can you provide a good reason why we should wreck ours and Vanaheim industry in civil war when we can simply wait a century or two for natural changes?
 
Jexx said:
Also, can you provide a good reason why we should wreck ours and Vanaheim industry in civil war when we can simply wait a century or two for natural changes?
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Because tech priests can live up to 1000 years and have a culture of religious indoctrination. It would take millennia to reform the ad mech without some form of strife.

Let me put this into perspective:
  1. Think of a bunch of religious conservatives indoctrinated from childhood.
  2. Then take into account that they are all a priest class who's reson d'etre is bound up with their religion
  3. Now add in 1000 year lifespan
Entire species will go from stones and bones to space in the time it takes the ad mech to reform naturally.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Yes it does. Britaon had a chance, a small one but a chance to keep things from devolving into war. Now the civil war is certain, will come quicker and likely be more destructive.
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No. You're just wrong. The GM has said that we won't be getting a civil war just because of Britton dying. You're ignoring that in favor of an extremely pessimistic and unsupported view of the situation. If it was so bad that it was Britton being the only thing from keeping the civil war from happening then durin would have told us that a while back. Britton's death is a setback to the reforms, but not an end to them, and whether a civil war happens


Hell, we can possibly take an action to spin Britton's death in favor of the reforms - the conservatives would be claiming that his reforms were bad and would lead to Chaos getting a foothold in the AdMech, but if that was the case then why would Chaos sent a Greater Daemon after him? Perhaps we might indicate that they were afraid of what the reformed AdMech could do, which was why he was targeted.

Also, thanks to omakes, it's canon that one of the most outspoken Magos among the conservatives fell to Chaos and tried to convert the very respected Tranth. The Myrmidons would even have recordings of him raving like a lunatic - his stuff sounded reasonable to him from first person POV, but anyone who wasn't Chaotic and stupid would find it utterly batshit insane since he was talking about possessing machines with daemons. Anyone in the conservative group that was associated with him would probably want to distance themselves from him and his rhetoric.

@durin - are these viable ideas to discredit the conservatives?


DragonParadox said:
Because tech priests can live up to 1000 years and have a culture of religious indoctrination. It would take millennia to reform the aa mech without some form of strife.
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We're also greatly increasing the number of tech-priests, and the new ones are being born under the reforms rather than the old culture, so they will become the large majority within centuries rather than millennia.
 
DragonParadox said:
Because tech priests can live up to 1000 years and have a culture of religious indoctrination. It would take millennia to reform the aa mech without some form of strife.
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In which case it was guaranteed regardless of Britton being dead or alive, and you have no way of taking into account how many high ranking Admech personnel are in the nine worlds, how effectively we can kill the nay sayers off, or how many of them can be turned to the right path cause, news flash, only a tiny percent are the rabid novus and old guard most are moderates, who are fine with change as long as its not too fast for their liking.
 
Unpopular opinion, but really liked the format of this. It got people (including me) writing, and without omakes, this quest'd just be a skeleton compared to what it is now. Yes, it loses some agency, but one can absolutely still pull off strategies if the only input is Omakes. Durin just has to like them.
 
DragonParadox said:
Let me put this into perspective:
  1. Think of a bunch of religious conservatives indoctrinated from childhood.
  2. Then take into account that they are all a priest class who's reson d'etre is bound up with their religion
  3. Now add in 1000 year lifespan
Entire species will go from stones and bones to space in the time it takes the ad mech to reform naturally.
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I refer you to @Enjou he can explain this to you better than I can.
 
Enjou said:
No. You're just wrong. The GM has said that we won't be getting a civil war just because of Britton dying. You're ignoring that in favor of an extremely pessimistic and unsupported view of the situation. If it was so bad that it was Britton being the only thing from keeping the civil war from happening then durin would have told us that a while back. Britton's death is a setback to the reforms, but not an end to them, and whether a civil war happens
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I disagree some setbacks just can't be overcome effectively

Let me channel a 40K religious zealot (much worse than a RL one) for a bit:

Enjou said:
Hell, we can possibly take an action to spin Britton's death in favor of the reforms - the conservatives would be claiming that his reforms were bad and would lead to Chaos getting a foothold in the AdMech, but if that was the case then why would Chaos sent a Greater Daemon after him? Perhaps we might indicate that they were afraid of what the reformed AdMech could do, which was why he was targeted.
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Because the Dark Gods often foil each other's plots. Dark Mechanicus mostly serve the Changer of Ways.

Enjou said:
Also, thanks to omakes, it's canon that one of the most outspoken Magos among the conservatives fell to Chaos and tried to convert the very respected Tranth. The Myrmidons would even have recordings of him raving like a lunatic - his stuff sounded reasonable to him from first person POV, but anyone who wasn't Chaotic and stupid would find it utterly batshit insane since he was talking about possessing machines with daemons. Anyone in the conservative group that was associated with him would probably want to distance themselves from him and his rhetoric.
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Even those who seem the most faithful can harbor the Anathema within their souls. We must be more vigilant an purge any who stray from the righteous path.

*channeling over*

Enjou said:
We're also greatly increasing the number of tech-priests, and the new ones are being born under the reforms rather than the old culture, so they will become the large majority within centuries rather than millennia.
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The new ones are mostly junior members. An institution that has to deal with 1000 year lifespans has very slow turn over. Plus with the conservatives mostly in charge their attitudes are likely to infect at least some of the new Tech priests.
 
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Enjou said:
why would Chaos sent a Greater Daemon after him? Perhaps we might indicate that they were afraid of what the reformed AdMech could do, which was why he was targeted.
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Chaos sent a Greater Daemon after him because he was leadership. It would be a lie to say it was a different reason and it would be an obvious one. What we can do is martyrise him in a "let's continue his reforms in his memory" way.


As for the whole "civil war" thing, it won't happen. AdMech is only at 3/10 unrest (2/10 now since Britton had a trait which increased it) and the amount of tech priests who support the reforms outnumber those who oppose them by almost double. (11% of all tech priests versus 6%)

On the whole "stupid conservatives will live forever" thing, nope. Remember: Avernus.
 
DragonParadox said:
Because the Dark Gods often foil each other's plots. Dark Mechanicus mostly serve the Changer of Ways.
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So, that was clearly a Slaaneshi cultist and Tzeench had nothing to do with it, unless your accusing Tranth.
DragonParadox said:
Even those who seem the most faithful can harbor the Anathema within their souls. We must be more vigilant an purge any who stray from the righteous path.
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Saint Lin and his revelations.

We already know we're all corrupt, no change there.
 
So I think the general reaction to this is going to be something along the lines of "never again", filter that through the avanaite mindset of constant adaption and I think we will probably start seeing a lot more change. Probably a lot of pushing towards strengthening ties with the local aliens, and possibly a lot more admech personal pushing towards heavier focus on warp phenomenon. Even the conservatives will be hard pressed to argue against that, we just had a bloody reminder that ignoring them does not in fact make the demons go away.

Amusingly avanus is probably one of the less risky places to put a warp research lab, if there is a breach and demons start pouring out they will mostly get eaten by the wildlife.
 
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random_npc said:
So I think the general reaction to this is going to be something along the lines of "never again", filter that through the avanaite mindset of constant adaption and I think we will probably start seeing a lot more change. Probably a lot of pushing towards strengthening ties with the local aliens, and possibly a lot more admech personal pushing towards heavier focus on warp phenomenon. Even the conservatives will be hard pressed to argue against that, we just had a bloody reminder that ignoring them does not in fact make the demons go away.

Amusingly avanus is probably one of the less risky places to put a warp research lab, if there is a breach and demons start pouring out they will mostly get eaten by the wildlife.
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Yeah, it takes a lot to put a dent in an Avernite, but this will do it.

@durin, is it possible to get a population trait?
 
random_npc said:
"never again"
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Blegh. Completely doesn't fit what Avernus will go through. Daemon invasions aren't something they can simply say "We will never let this happen again", it's just something to prepare for in the future. "Always learning, always getting stronger" is better but also rather "phony" I guess. Simple mourning and reconstruction is the most appropriate, I would say. This isn't the time to get pepped up in any way, Avernus as a whole just needs some quiet time alone to pray for lost friends and family. Then, without a word, it's back to the training rounds and just putting in more effort than before.
 
DragonParadox said:
I was accusing Britton of being (a knowing or unknowing) pawn of Tzeench. It makes idiot-zealot-sense mostly because it is remotely possible if highly improbable.
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Really :eyeroll:.

There is such a difference between that and what Britton was doing.

For one Tzeench has to ya know corrupt someone to do things like that.

You can't say "That man disagree's with me. He is obviously a heretic, BURN HIM."

Do that and you get Lin on your asses, and apparently his disproving frowns should be rated as an AP1 weapon.
 
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