Keep in mind that the Security Council decides on what the point values are. If the Imperial Navy has a need for torpedo boats, they will up the point value for torpedo boats and lower the point values for what they don't need accordingly - if I'm building some lance boats for my navy, then I'll build torpedo boats to tithe because that's what makes the most sense to do.
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Keep in mind that the Security Council decides on what the point values are. If the Imperial Navy has a need for torpedo boats, they will up the point value for torpedo boats and lower the point values for what they don't need accordingly - if I'm building some lance boats for my navy, then I'll build torpedo boats to tithe because that's what makes the most sense to do.
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In that case they should make a note for how often they can and will update the point value.
You just would have to say in what form you want the fleet proposals.
Sorry for annoying you. Here my old plans with your opinions on them.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
1 Hun Class Fast Battleship
18 Warrior Class Cruiser
4 Praetorian Class Cruiser
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Acolyte Class Carrier
16 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
30 Squire Class Frigate
30 Page Class Frigate
20 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
130 Soldier Class Destroyer
50 Privateer Class Raider
10 Descent Class Destroyer
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
1 Hun Class Fast Battleship
18 Warrior Class Cruiser
4 Praetorian Class Cruiser
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Acolyte Class Carrier
16 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
30 Squire Class Frigate
30 Page Class Frigate
20 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
130 Soldier Class Destroyer
50 Privateer Class Raider
10 Descent Class Destroyer
Asked questions:
1. Any insights you would want to share about this fleet composition?
2. You already stated that per cruiser there should be 4 to 5 escort. Given how many escort we have can more escorts be added or will they start to get in the way?
Answer:
1. Seems to be a surprisingly speed oriented fleet for planetary assault, the fact that 2 out of three battleships and half the cruisers are fast will leave your fleet rather vulnerable to anyone as fast as it. Remember that the faster ships are more lightly armored. Admiral Parnells advice is to replace one of the fast battleships with a force of armored cruisers. Also Grand Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Heavy Cruisers are very useful and should not be ignored.
2. You can go up to around 12 Escorts per Cruiser before you start getting unbalanced. The number that I gave were the absolute minimum advised
1. Any insights you would want to share about this fleet composition?
2. You already stated that per cruiser there should be 4 to 5 escort. Given how many escort we have can more escorts be added or will they start to get in the way?
Answer:
1. Seems to be a surprisingly speed oriented fleet for planetary assault, the fact that 2 out of three battleships and half the cruisers are fast will leave your fleet rather vulnerable to anyone as fast as it. Remember that the faster ships are more lightly armored. Admiral Parnells advice is to replace one of the fast battleships with a force of armored cruisers. Also Grand Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Heavy Cruisers are very useful and should not be ignored.
2. You can go up to around 12 Escorts per Cruiser before you start getting unbalanced. The number that I gave were the absolute minimum advised
Summary of changes:
Removed 1 fast BS and added 4 GC. Replaced part of the fast Cruiser with 6 HC, 10 BC and more cheap cruiser.
Number of ships increased a lot because you told the margins in wich cruiser should number relative to BS and Escorts relative to Cruiser.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Marauder Class Battlecruiser
4 Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
28 Warrior Class Cruiser
6 Praetorian Class Cruiser
4 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
76 Squire Class Frigate
76 Page Class Frigate
88 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
376 Soldier Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class Raider (fast escort)
24 Descent Class Destroyer (specialist: atmospheric flight)
Removed 1 fast BS and added 4 GC. Replaced part of the fast Cruiser with 6 HC, 10 BC and more cheap cruiser.
Number of ships increased a lot because you told the margins in wich cruiser should number relative to BS and Escorts relative to Cruiser.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Marauder Class Battlecruiser
4 Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
28 Warrior Class Cruiser
6 Praetorian Class Cruiser
4 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
76 Squire Class Frigate
76 Page Class Frigate
88 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
376 Soldier Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class Raider (fast escort)
24 Descent Class Destroyer (specialist: atmospheric flight)
Questions asked:
1. Any insights you want to share?
Later
2. 1. I find it nice that you have nothing worriesome to say about the fleet composition. Something good instead?
Answer:
1. You inquired about obtaining a gragantuan shipyard because it would crash our economy. Not relevant to the fleet through.
Later
2.1. The fleet composition that you made seems to be good
1. Any insights you want to share?
Later
2. 1. I find it nice that you have nothing worriesome to say about the fleet composition. Something good instead?
Answer:
1. You inquired about obtaining a gragantuan shipyard because it would crash our economy. Not relevant to the fleet through.
Later
2.1. The fleet composition that you made seems to be good
Your answer was enlighting.
Relevant changes:
Removal of the fast BS for the Carrier BS.
Shifted HC to include two Carrier as well.
Reduced number of BC from 10 to 6 with a focus on sniping (new ship design).
Rebalanced cruiser to have armored ones as well instead of only cheap ones.
Rebalanced Escorts to have primarly armored ones instead of cheap ones.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
6 New Battlecruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
8 Cataphract Cruiser
30 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
78 Soldier Class Destroyer
210 Squire Class Frigate
210 Page Class Frigate
78 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
64 Descent Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class Raider
Removal of the fast BS for the Carrier BS.
Shifted HC to include two Carrier as well.
Reduced number of BC from 10 to 6 with a focus on sniping (new ship design).
Rebalanced cruiser to have armored ones as well instead of only cheap ones.
Rebalanced Escorts to have primarly armored ones instead of cheap ones.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
6 New Battlecruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
8 Cataphract Cruiser
30 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
78 Soldier Class Destroyer
210 Squire Class Frigate
210 Page Class Frigate
78 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
64 Descent Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class Raider
Question asked:
1. I am not sold on the Saint Class Carrier Battleship as there are four Templar Class Heavy Carrier. Would it be better to repace it with a Champion Battleship because there are to many heavy carriers?
2. In wich category (armor, cheap, fast) fits the Hero Class Battleship?
3. How significantly has the capabilities assessment changed?
4. Would you give your take on the expected upkeep?
5. This plan stand or falls on my guess for weighting the cruiser. (In general times 0.5 for LC, times 2 for BC and HC, times 4 for GC, times 8 for BS and times 12 for CBS. Escorts are counted seperatly.) Is that correct? If not what should be changed to what to get a better ratio for capital ships?
Answer:1. No, given the fact that otherwise you rely on escort carriers
2. Medium, which is medium speed but not cheap
3. better but you should replace some of the escort carrier with escort cruisers and add some carriers
4. 1,700
5. Yes you are right
1. I am not sold on the Saint Class Carrier Battleship as there are four Templar Class Heavy Carrier. Would it be better to repace it with a Champion Battleship because there are to many heavy carriers?
2. In wich category (armor, cheap, fast) fits the Hero Class Battleship?
3. How significantly has the capabilities assessment changed?
4. Would you give your take on the expected upkeep?
5. This plan stand or falls on my guess for weighting the cruiser. (In general times 0.5 for LC, times 2 for BC and HC, times 4 for GC, times 8 for BS and times 12 for CBS. Escorts are counted seperatly.) Is that correct? If not what should be changed to what to get a better ratio for capital ships?
Answer:1. No, given the fact that otherwise you rely on escort carriers
2. Medium, which is medium speed but not cheap
3. better but you should replace some of the escort carrier with escort cruisers and add some carriers
4. 1,700
5. Yes you are right
Relevant changes:
Removal of the Teutonic HC for Paladin HC.
Removal of the BC for relativ fewer Poacher Class Cruiser.
Removal of the Cataphract Cruiser for Bishop Carrier.
Reduced number of Monk Class Escort Carrier to get eqal numbers of Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Shifted the number of escorts around.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
32 Warrior Class Cruiser
8 Bishop Class Carrier
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
12 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
12 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
190 Squire Class Frigate
190 Page Class Frigate
120 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
60 Descent Class Destroyer
44 Privateer Class Raider
Removal of the Teutonic HC for Paladin HC.
Removal of the BC for relativ fewer Poacher Class Cruiser.
Removal of the Cataphract Cruiser for Bishop Carrier.
Reduced number of Monk Class Escort Carrier to get eqal numbers of Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Shifted the number of escorts around.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
32 Warrior Class Cruiser
8 Bishop Class Carrier
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
12 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
12 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
190 Squire Class Frigate
190 Page Class Frigate
120 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
60 Descent Class Destroyer
44 Privateer Class Raider
And this is the actuall plan:
Relevant changes:
Added two Pope Class GC.
Dropped all fast ships for more cheap and armored ones.
Added more Heavy Cruiser.
Reduced Warrior Cruiser to include some Hoplite Cruiser.
Reduced number of Monk Escort Carrier to add more Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Droped Privateer Class Raider because they added nothing to the fleet (nothing needs their speed and to few torpedos to be usable)
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
4 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Added two Pope Class GC.
Dropped all fast ships for more cheap and armored ones.
Added more Heavy Cruiser.
Reduced Warrior Cruiser to include some Hoplite Cruiser.
Reduced number of Monk Escort Carrier to add more Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Droped Privateer Class Raider because they added nothing to the fleet (nothing needs their speed and to few torpedos to be usable)
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
4 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Medium:
1 Hero Class Battleship
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Armor:
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
2 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
Cheap:
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
For Capital Ships I have:
Total weighted: 156
Amor: 90 = 62%
Cheap 46 = 33%
Medium: 8 = 5%
For Escorts I have:
Total: 832
Amor: 440 = 53%
Cheap 320 = 38%
Medium: 72 = 9%
1 Hero Class Battleship
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Armor:
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
2 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
Cheap:
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
For Capital Ships I have:
Total weighted: 156
Amor: 90 = 62%
Cheap 46 = 33%
Medium: 8 = 5%
For Escorts I have:
Total: 832
Amor: 440 = 53%
Cheap 320 = 38%
Medium: 72 = 9%
1. How effective would they be at the actual bombardment and landing of troops?
2. How effective would they be at getting through enemy defenses? (Stationary, vs defense monitors, vs enemy fleets).
3. How effective would it be at defending a planet? (Alone, with monitors, with monitors and statiionary defences)
4. How likely is the fleet to get hammered?
5. What would be the best match up for such a fleet?
6. What would be the worst match up for such a fleet?
7. The fleet lacks Battlecruiser and fast ships. Should some Warrior and/or Hoplite Cruiser be changed to either Poacher Cruiser and/or Uhlan BC?
8. Is the relative large number of Grand Cruiser a problem?
9. There are over 800 escorts. The number seems high but it is exactly 8 escort per cruiser. Still, is it to much?
10. How expensive would this fleet be in upkeep (EM)? I got 1950 EM.
11. Can we get an option to design better Defence Monitors later as well?durin said:
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So, some ideas about what will likely be important next turn.
From a military standpoint, we're going to be fairly busy upgrading our gear. Readiness training will expire, so we should see if we can slot it in too.
As far as void stuff goes, we're probably going to be busy with construction. I think we should seriously look into upgrading our system defenses this turn--both in improving the minefield and in starting to deploy the newly designed defenses.
Admin we're mostly locked in for. We might need to spend an action to incorporate the knowledge implantation chairs into our education system.
For diplomacy, now is a pretty good time to look into increasing cooperation between the Arbites. That could synergize well with ideas about helping with quarantine. I'd like to set up something like an embassy with the sirens, but that might be a hard sell with the rest of the Trust--see telepathic soul-eating Xenos.
On the Arbites side, we definitely want to get full quarantine set up. I'm also a fan of psyker hunting--just look how effective it was last turn. If it's an option, we also might want to grab Syr swordsmanship training.
For the Mechanicus, I'd like to spend Britton's time split between managing/scoping out unrest and finishing up designs for our new and improved orbital defenses. I'm hoping Tranth gets the option to create a school for reverse-engineering, but if not I think he should be focused mostly on the backlog there. It'd be great if he could take a look at the Well of Urd kinetic energy weapons--they're supposed to be a significant upgrade over what we've got, KE weapons kick ass, and it might help us on reverse-engineering the super-Exitus rifle.
I'd like Ministorum to work mostly on finishing off the reorganization.
On the psyker front, I want to get the off-world schools set up asap. Also, we need to put Ridcully on ritual design, as we're down to the last dregs of the Astropaths. We'll have time to research shinies later.
For personal stuff, I'd like to get Syr trained in naval command this turn. I don't think we need a slot of spending time with family every year. Also, it looks like we'd be much better off doubling it up.
From a military standpoint, we're going to be fairly busy upgrading our gear. Readiness training will expire, so we should see if we can slot it in too.
As far as void stuff goes, we're probably going to be busy with construction. I think we should seriously look into upgrading our system defenses this turn--both in improving the minefield and in starting to deploy the newly designed defenses.
Admin we're mostly locked in for. We might need to spend an action to incorporate the knowledge implantation chairs into our education system.
For diplomacy, now is a pretty good time to look into increasing cooperation between the Arbites. That could synergize well with ideas about helping with quarantine. I'd like to set up something like an embassy with the sirens, but that might be a hard sell with the rest of the Trust--see telepathic soul-eating Xenos.
On the Arbites side, we definitely want to get full quarantine set up. I'm also a fan of psyker hunting--just look how effective it was last turn. If it's an option, we also might want to grab Syr swordsmanship training.
For the Mechanicus, I'd like to spend Britton's time split between managing/scoping out unrest and finishing up designs for our new and improved orbital defenses. I'm hoping Tranth gets the option to create a school for reverse-engineering, but if not I think he should be focused mostly on the backlog there. It'd be great if he could take a look at the Well of Urd kinetic energy weapons--they're supposed to be a significant upgrade over what we've got, KE weapons kick ass, and it might help us on reverse-engineering the super-Exitus rifle.
I'd like Ministorum to work mostly on finishing off the reorganization.
On the psyker front, I want to get the off-world schools set up asap. Also, we need to put Ridcully on ritual design, as we're down to the last dregs of the Astropaths. We'll have time to research shinies later.
For personal stuff, I'd like to get Syr trained in naval command this turn. I don't think we need a slot of spending time with family every year. Also, it looks like we'd be much better off doubling it up.
- Location
- USA
Psyker wise we need new schools on avernus to handle all of our psykers
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
they give you a list
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
please not so many questions, you don't need more then 3 or 4 do youYou just would have to say in what form you want the fleet proposals.
Sorry for annoying you. Here my old plans with your opinions on them.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
1 Hun Class Fast Battleship
18 Warrior Class Cruiser
4 Praetorian Class Cruiser
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Acolyte Class Carrier
16 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
30 Squire Class Frigate
30 Page Class Frigate
20 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
130 Soldier Class Destroyer
50 Privateer Class Raider
10 Descent Class DestroyerAsked questions:
1. Any insights you would want to share about this fleet composition?
2. You already stated that per cruiser there should be 4 to 5 escort. Given how many escort we have can more escorts be added or will they start to get in the way?
Answer:
1. Seems to be a surprisingly speed oriented fleet for planetary assault, the fact that 2 out of three battleships and half the cruisers are fast will leave your fleet rather vulnerable to anyone as fast as it. Remember that the faster ships are more lightly armored. Admiral Parnells advice is to replace one of the fast battleships with a force of armored cruisers. Also Grand Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Heavy Cruisers are very useful and should not be ignored.
2. You can go up to around 12 Escorts per Cruiser before you start getting unbalanced. The number that I gave were the absolute minimum advised
Summary of changes:
Removed 1 fast BS and added 4 GC. Replaced part of the fast Cruiser with 6 HC, 10 BC and more cheap cruiser.
Number of ships increased a lot because you told the margins in wich cruiser should number relative to BS and Escorts relative to Cruiser.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Mongol Class Fast Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Marauder Class Battlecruiser
4 Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
28 Warrior Class Cruiser
6 Praetorian Class Cruiser
4 Poacher Class Cruiser
4 Corsair Class Cruiser
8 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
76 Squire Class Frigate
76 Page Class Frigate
88 Legionnaire Class Destroyers
376 Soldier Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class Raider (fast escort)
24 Descent Class Destroyer (specialist: atmospheric flight)Than Elder Haman asked this which made the previous fleets obsolate.Questions asked:
1. Any insights you want to share?
Later
2. 1. I find it nice that you have nothing worriesome to say about the fleet composition. Something good instead?
Answer:
1. You inquired about obtaining a gragantuan shipyard because it would crash our economy. Not relevant to the fleet through.
Later
2.1. The fleet composition that you made seems to be good
Your answer was enlighting.
Relevant changes:
Removal of the fast BS for the Carrier BS.
Shifted HC to include two Carrier as well.
Reduced number of BC from 10 to 6 with a focus on sniping (new ship design).
Rebalanced cruiser to have armored ones as well instead of only cheap ones.
Rebalanced Escorts to have primarly armored ones instead of cheap ones.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
6 New Battlecruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
8 Cataphract Cruiser
30 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
78 Soldier Class Destroyer
210 Squire Class Frigate
210 Page Class Frigate
78 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
64 Descent Class Destroyer
64 Privateer Class RaiderThis one you did not answer but you don't have to.Question asked:
1. I am not sold on the Saint Class Carrier Battleship as there are four Templar Class Heavy Carrier. Would it be better to repace it with a Champion Battleship because there are to many heavy carriers?
2. In wich category (armor, cheap, fast) fits the Hero Class Battleship?
3. How significantly has the capabilities assessment changed?
4. Would you give your take on the expected upkeep?
5. This plan stand or falls on my guess for weighting the cruiser. (In general times 0.5 for LC, times 2 for BC and HC, times 4 for GC, times 8 for BS and times 12 for CBS. Escorts are counted seperatly.) Is that correct? If not what should be changed to what to get a better ratio for capital ships?
Answer:1. No, given the fact that otherwise you rely on escort carriers
2. Medium, which is medium speed but not cheap
3. better but you should replace some of the escort carrier with escort cruisers and add some carriers
4. 1,700
5. Yes you are right
Relevant changes:
Removal of the Teutonic HC for Paladin HC.
Removal of the BC for relativ fewer Poacher Class Cruiser.
Removal of the Cataphract Cruiser for Bishop Carrier.
Reduced number of Monk Class Escort Carrier to get eqal numbers of Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Shifted the number of escorts around.
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
12 Knight Class Cruiser
32 Warrior Class Cruiser
8 Bishop Class Carrier
8 Poacher Class Cruiser
12 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
12 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
190 Squire Class Frigate
190 Page Class Frigate
120 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
60 Descent Class Destroyer
44 Privateer Class Raider
And this is the actuall plan:
I want to ask a few question as well. There are now a lot of armored and heavy cruiser with a (I think) large number of carrier.Relevant changes:
Added two Pope Class GC.
Dropped all fast ships for more cheap and armored ones.
Added more Heavy Cruiser.
Reduced Warrior Cruiser to include some Hoplite Cruiser.
Reduced number of Monk Escort Carrier to add more Youxia Class Escort Cruiser.
Droped Privateer Class Raider because they added nothing to the fleet (nothing needs their speed and to few torpedos to be usable)
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
4 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
4 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Medium:
1 Hero Class Battleship
72 Descent Class Destroyer
Armor:
1 Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Scots Class Grand Cruiser
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
2 Pope Class Grand Cruiser
2 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
2 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
14 Knight Class Cruiser
20 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser (light cruiser)
8 Monk Class Escort Carrier (light cruiser)
220 Squire Class Frigate
220 Page Class Frigate
Cheap:
24 Warrior Class Cruiser
20 Hoplite Class Cruiser
8 Biship Class Carrier
220 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
For Capital Ships I have:
Total weighted: 156
Amor: 90 = 62%
Cheap 46 = 33%
Medium: 8 = 5%
For Escorts I have:
Total: 832
Amor: 440 = 53%
Cheap 320 = 38%
Medium: 72 = 9%
1. How effective would they be at the actual bombardment and landing of troops?
2. How effective would they be at getting through enemy defenses? (Stationary, vs defense monitors, vs enemy fleets).
3. How effective would it be at defending a planet? (Alone, with monitors, with monitors and statiionary defences)
4. How likely is the fleet to get hammered?
5. What would be the best match up for such a fleet?
6. What would be the worst match up for such a fleet?
7. The fleet lacks Battlecruiser and fast ships. Should some Warrior and/or Hoplite Cruiser be changed to either Poacher Cruiser and/or Uhlan BC?
8. Is the relative large number of Grand Cruiser a problem?
9. There are over 800 escorts. The number seems high but it is exactly 8 escort per cruiser. Still, is it to much?
10. How expensive would this fleet be in upkeep (EM)? I got 1950 EM.
11. Can we get an option to design better Defence Monitors later as well?
try questions such as what has changed
1. very good
2. good to very good
3. very good
4. only if heavily outnumbered in which case it is to slow to flee
5. a generalist fleet
6. a fast fleet
7. no, it is fine as is
8. no
9. no
10. 1,900
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
yes, I willl give you the write up later but as a summary there is nothing with life, a few rocky planets and a dozen or so semi-interesting moons
Kolar
Is Not A Robot
We should probably find a new head for the Avernus branch of the church as Lin needs to spend a lot of his time on the Trust as a whole.
Eh, the church on Avernus seems to run well when he's spending a lot of time off world, so probably not.
One project idea @durin might consider is Lin spending time setting up those critical thinking Seminaries on other worlds, and not just on Avernus. Make it so they're standard when colonies start getting made.
- Location
- Spain
I have some ideas, but I don´t know if they will fit.
One thing that could be very useful (but we may already have it) is to ask Jane to make an analysis of the people with the most critical postions on Avernus, to make sure we know who thes people are, increase security of these persons and if necessary and have a list of possible succesors that could carry out these functions in the case they are temporary or permanetly incapacitated.
Another action for Jane would be the training of Assasins in case we need someone dead in a way no one could trace the death back to us (maybe using the fauna as weapons)
As a personal action, since we already have an action to spend time with the family/Syr, it would be nice to have another to spend time with our friends (but since everyone seems to be workoholics it may not be possible)
For diplomacy, since we are one of the Planetary Governors of the Nine World, it may be useful to attend/organize some kind of parties (banquets, masques,...) where we can socialize and talk with people in high positions outside of the formal Council Meetings.
Before begining our colonization of the sector, it would be advisable to unify the course of action of all planets in case we find sapient xenos, or if the world already have humans (for example a feudal world)
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
yes that will be an option once you have set them up on Avernus
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
I can tell you right now that there are no habitable worlds except for Fjol IV and the Nine Worlds that you currently have access to
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
And I would imagine that some people argue about defining Avernus as habitable.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
they do, there is a reason that despite the location being know the the rest of the sub-sector for the lat ten thousand years there have been no attempts at colonisation
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
And our little DAoT trove would make everyone who overlooked it get shot, wouldn't it? Poor bastards. Can't blame them for not wanting to poke around, though. Holy shit.
HanEmpire
Delicious
@durin:
1) Is there a stat type for Avernite opinion on the other worlds? Frederick's opinion of the other worlds probably doesn't translate to what the regular Avernites might feel. For example you said that Avernites would've burned effigies of the Vanir if Freya cheated on Frederick.
2) Is the other worlds' opinion of Avernus shown in the Local Worlds section from the perspective of the planetary rulers or the average inhabitants?
Suggestions for Diplomacy:
-Diplomatic training school for non-human interaction
-Improvement of opinion of other worlds
-Improvement of foreign opinion of Avernus
-Pan-Trust cultural exchange (improves opinions and trade volume/types), might be multi-turn.
EDIT:
1) Is there a stat type for Avernite opinion on the other worlds? Frederick's opinion of the other worlds probably doesn't translate to what the regular Avernites might feel. For example you said that Avernites would've burned effigies of the Vanir if Freya cheated on Frederick.
2) Is the other worlds' opinion of Avernus shown in the Local Worlds section from the perspective of the planetary rulers or the average inhabitants?
Suggestions for Diplomacy:
-Diplomatic training school for non-human interaction
-Improvement of opinion of other worlds
-Improvement of foreign opinion of Avernus
-Pan-Trust cultural exchange (improves opinions and trade volume/types), might be multi-turn.
EDIT:
Yeah @durin confirmed that if the Old Imperium still survived the High Lords would've gone Biblical on the surveyors, maybe even their descendants.
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- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. No
2. ruling class
- Location
- Berkeley
I think he'd see it as too political a position. I don't think he wants a strict hierarchy in the Church, and it seems like he's trying to set everything up to be self sufficient when he organizes an institution.
Ideas:
For Admin, giving us another round of increased juvenat production might be good. Either let us spend more to increase the bonus given, or spread out to other strategic demographics (like the highly educated, good construction foremen, members of the church, and good trainers for void construction). Obviously we're nowhere close to a full population rollout, but I think we can afford another step in that direction.
For psykers, maybe we can get some community outreach type actions. Things like encouraging biomancers to volunteer at the hospitals, programs to temporarily integrate some of our more stable battle psykers with our other military units (so that much more of our forces gets experience working with psykers, more psykers get to develop bonds like Xavier's with the Phase Tigers, etc). Basically try to get it so that a larger portion of the population gets to interact with psykers in a positive manner.
Another idea for psykers is to look into facilitating them getting familiars. Potential benefits from a lot of different angles--it could affect their psychic frequency, could facilitate learning new psyker powers, give benefits to direct combat potential/survival, and the like. Hell, having a familiar might even work like a therapy animal in resisting feeling isolated and despair to help psykers better resist the warp and become more accepted by society (by not being broody loners).
I like the idea of having some assassins trained by Jane, but I think we should be looking at using psykers if we're talking about more or less developing our own temple. Just imagine how dangerous a diviner with a super-exitus rifle would be, or a daemonologist with their phasing + blinking to get to the target...
Another Arbites thing would be to establish "rumor mills" on the other worlds. Have them work something like the police state level there--make them all focus on one thing, and have a percent chance to sway that world's opinion on it. For example, it could be focused on "improve acceptance of psykers", or "increase tolerance of Xenos/Quartok". Have it be essentially a safe but slow way (that would take quite a bit of effort to set up) to change opinions in the Trust on things--like rather than having a 60% chance to bump opinion of the Quartok up by 1 in 1 year, with a 20% chance of a diplomatic incident, have a pretty good chance of increasing the opinion of the Quartok by 1 in a decade without a real downside to failure.
One idea for Diplomacy would be something akin to "invest in:" or "subsidize:"--basically, give us the ability to extend some help to the worlds that we're more prosperous than (or that we have resources they lack), with a pretty good chance of improving our relationship with that world. Ideas would be things like providing at cost or discounted juvenat for educators in Midgard, or an infusion of thrones/material so Alfheim can industrialize more effectively. Similarly, maybe give us the ability to give some support to a colony if we're friendly with their colonizer and in return get either an increased relationship with that colony or (with the colonizer' approval) some cut of the colony's production.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Action suggestions:
Adeptus Adminstratum -
1) Rebuild Craters
2) Repopulate Ruined Cities
3) Construct New City
4) Pre-Emptively Expand a City
5) Juvenat: All
6) Further Fortification of Cities
Diplomacy -
Managing relationships between psykers and nonpsykers?
Adeptus Arbites-
Train up leader(s) for Psyker Hunters?
Leaders for other groups?
Anti-Episonage action?
Investigating Avernus' vulnerability to loss/corruption of leaders?
Adeptus Ministrum -
Psyker-Nonpsyker integration?
Something to pre-emptively corruption of the imperial church in the future?
Warding important places and equipment?
Adeptus Astra Telepathica -
Expansion of the Psyker City
Building places for psykers to stay in all cities (To help the search for psykers, and house sanctionites.)
Train Elite Primaris Psykers up to Heroic?
General Training action to improve psykers (Veterancy to Elite, maybe?)?
Warding important hives?
Adeptus Adminstratum -
1) Rebuild Craters
2) Repopulate Ruined Cities
3) Construct New City
4) Pre-Emptively Expand a City
5) Juvenat: All
6) Further Fortification of Cities
Diplomacy -
Managing relationships between psykers and nonpsykers?
Adeptus Arbites-
Train up leader(s) for Psyker Hunters?
Leaders for other groups?
Anti-Episonage action?
Investigating Avernus' vulnerability to loss/corruption of leaders?
Adeptus Ministrum -
Psyker-Nonpsyker integration?
Something to pre-emptively corruption of the imperial church in the future?
Warding important places and equipment?
Adeptus Astra Telepathica -
Expansion of the Psyker City
Building places for psykers to stay in all cities (To help the search for psykers, and house sanctionites.)
Train Elite Primaris Psykers up to Heroic?
General Training action to improve psykers (Veterancy to Elite, maybe?)?
Warding important hives?