Knightfall
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- New York, New York
Not just superior it's practically heretical.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- Leeds
We gaurd hell!!!
- Location
- Germany
Jane being bored: "This sucks, last week all cultists were just running around, praising the Dark Gods, instead of doing something dangerous and the only mad psyker could just summon three Angyls before I got to him. Even my morning jog along the cities outer security perimeter is more interresting than that."
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Nianque
Verified Dragon
Should only be a hundred or so more years before everyone being born on Avernus is a psyker.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
That was a insane haul of psykers, yeah.
I kinda feel that expansion of the University again is going to hit a diminishing returns point.
I think we should do the enclaves in every major city/hives thing, plus whatever expansions we do to the university.
Also,
*Preens*
(My estimation of psyker population problems was off by about 8 years, it seem.)
I kinda feel that expansion of the University again is going to hit a diminishing returns point.
I think we should do the enclaves in every major city/hives thing, plus whatever expansions we do to the university.
Also,
Decade, more like.
*Preens*
(My estimation of psyker population problems was off by about 8 years, it seem.)
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@Elder Haman
Durin said that we would get that option later. At the moment it would be to expansive to equip the Militia with Air Wings.
Next important part is Syr (again). I am for sending her to the Naval Academy until we learn what she will prefer.
Durin said that we would get that option later. At the moment it would be to expansive to equip the Militia with Air Wings.
Next important part is Syr (again). I am for sending her to the Naval Academy until we learn what she will prefer.
This needs to be an omake.
- Location
- Somewhere, Maybe
Hmm. Well, before WW2 this role was sorta filled by glider clubs. After WW2, most countries subsidized air travel so there were plenty of civilian pilots who could be drafted into the military in war.
Not sure I can see even Avernus having mil-spec warplanes available to glider clubs though.
Using them in civilian air travel might be possible. Maybe as air taxis (the troop ships) or parcel carriers? Another possibility is to organize convoys for the Rapid Good Couriers with old fighter craft as escorts.
I can definitely see warplanes being useful in Avernite agriculture. Ground attack aircraft as the Avernus version of the trusty farmer's quad bike? Harvesting bombardment cactus pollen with collectors deployed by harvester aircraft?
Definite mileage here...
fasquardon
Yes, and my point is that we are about to have a whole ton of air wings of outdated airplane designs. Sort of like passing down the WWI Era aircraft to the various National Air Guard wings as the regular air force modernized.
Creating University branches on Midgard and Vanaheim may take up some number of Sanctionites, and a large number of Witch Sniffers.
Also, the Azure Bay branch is now much more viable with the Siren peace treaty.
I believe that we'll also need to send our two free Elite Primaris, as these will be major branches of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica. These are major branches and so require Elite Primaris to run them. From the psyker info sheet:
"Elite Primaris Psykers are among the most trustworthy and skilled Psykers that humanity has to offer and are trusted with command over entire divisions of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica."
Though if they have any Elite Primaris of their own from before the Emperor's death they could take the role instead.
Jotunheim and Alfheim just need small branches, so a Primaris or two plus staff should be fine for them.
Asgard could probably just use a small enclave of Sanctionites who can train the few psykers found there to the point they can be shipped to another branch safely, and otherwise the Sanctionites could just help with Asgard's industry in the mean time.
- Location
- Berkeley
Speaking of fun omake ideas, imagine if we send Avernite priests with them for the those in shadow counseling. According to the flavor from that action, they're specifically selected as the most kind, compassionate, calming, and tolerant of the priests. Now imagine the local psyker's reactions if/when the priests need to defend themselves or their charges with typical Avernite ability, especially if they maintain their normal demeanor...
Kind of interested in a more detailed debate on this subject.
1x Einherjar Class Command Battleship
1 Berserker Class Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Champion Class Battleship
~1x Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
~2x Scots Class Grand Cruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~1x Landsknecht Class Grand Cruiser
~3x Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~25x Knight Class Cruiser
~20x Cataphract Cruiser
~20x Kshatriya Cruiser
~20x Samurai Cruiser
~20x Bishop Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
Initial Escort Numbers:
200x Squire Class Frigate
400x Soldier Class Destroyer
200x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
Eventual Escort Numbers (after we survey and repair the mostly destroyed):
400x Squire Class Frigate
600x Soldier Class Destroyer
400x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
200x New Class of Haywire Escorts
The note (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary) means that when we have a Planetary Assault mission they would be assigned instead to that supporting that mission. But on other occasions would have weapons load outs to support the Brute Squad.
1 Berserker Class Battleship
1 Hero Class Battleship
1 Champion Class Battleship
~1x Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
~2x Scots Class Grand Cruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~1x Landsknecht Class Grand Cruiser
~3x Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~25x Knight Class Cruiser
~20x Cataphract Cruiser
~20x Kshatriya Cruiser
~20x Samurai Cruiser
~20x Bishop Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
Initial Escort Numbers:
200x Squire Class Frigate
400x Soldier Class Destroyer
200x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
Eventual Escort Numbers (after we survey and repair the mostly destroyed):
400x Squire Class Frigate
600x Soldier Class Destroyer
400x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
200x New Class of Haywire Escorts
The note (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary) means that when we have a Planetary Assault mission they would be assigned instead to that supporting that mission. But on other occasions would have weapons load outs to support the Brute Squad.
(Optional) Vajra or Gravatic Array Command Battleship
4x Marauder Class Battlecruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
6x Disciple Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
5x Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
5x Husser Class Battlecruiser
10x New Battlecruiser Class with Spinal Grav Accelerators
10x New Battlecruiser Class with Nova Cannons
~20 Corsair Class Cruiser
~10 Poacher Class Cruiser
~10 Cossack Class Cruiser
~24 Acolyte Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~40 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser
~40 Monk Class Escort Carrier
~40 Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser
~40 Adherent Class Light Carrier
Initial Escort Numbers:
200x Page Class Frigate (consider replacing with a new class of fast hunter frigate?)
200x Soldier Class Destroyer (consider replacing with a new class of fast basic destroyer?)
400x Privateer Class Raider
Eventual Escort Numbers (after we survey and repair the mostly destroyed):
200x New Escort Class of fast screening frigate (Like the Squire, but with speed to keep up).
200x Page Class Frigate (consider replacing with a new class of fast hunter frigate?)
400x Soldier Class Destroyer (consider replacing with a new class of fast basic destroyer?)
600x Privateer Class Raider
4x Marauder Class Battlecruiser (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
6x Disciple Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
5x Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
5x Husser Class Battlecruiser
10x New Battlecruiser Class with Spinal Grav Accelerators
10x New Battlecruiser Class with Nova Cannons
~20 Corsair Class Cruiser
~10 Poacher Class Cruiser
~10 Cossack Class Cruiser
~24 Acolyte Class Carrier (from the Planetary Assault Auxiliary)
~40 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser
~40 Monk Class Escort Carrier
~40 Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser
~40 Adherent Class Light Carrier
Initial Escort Numbers:
200x Page Class Frigate (consider replacing with a new class of fast hunter frigate?)
200x Soldier Class Destroyer (consider replacing with a new class of fast basic destroyer?)
400x Privateer Class Raider
Eventual Escort Numbers (after we survey and repair the mostly destroyed):
200x New Escort Class of fast screening frigate (Like the Squire, but with speed to keep up).
200x Page Class Frigate (consider replacing with a new class of fast hunter frigate?)
400x Soldier Class Destroyer (consider replacing with a new class of fast basic destroyer?)
600x Privateer Class Raider
(Optional) 1 Darkness Class Stealth Battleship
3x Night Class Battlecruiser (Stealth)
~9x New Stealth Class Cruiser
~30x Fog Class Light Cruiser (Stealth) (Would have to build, no hulks)
~60x Shadow Class Destroyer (Stealth)
Note: Could reduce further by dividing all these numbers by 3. Purpose is to essentially provide a scouting group that could also participate as long range harassment during larger battles.
3x Night Class Battlecruiser (Stealth)
~9x New Stealth Class Cruiser
~30x Fog Class Light Cruiser (Stealth) (Would have to build, no hulks)
~60x Shadow Class Destroyer (Stealth)
Note: Could reduce further by dividing all these numbers by 3. Purpose is to essentially provide a scouting group that could also participate as long range harassment during larger battles.
(Optional) Apostle Class Command Battleship (Well of Urd as probable, less effective replacement)
2 to 3 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
~3x Pope Class Grand Carrier
-- Note possible support of ~2x Scots Class Grand Cruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of 4x Marauder Class Battlecruiser reassigned from Sniper Teams
-- Note possible support of 6x Disciple Class Carrier reassigned from Sniper Teams
-- Note possible support of up to ~20x Bishop Class Carrier reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of up to ~24 Acolyte Class Carrier reassigned from Sniper Teams
200x Descent Class Destroyer (would have to build, no hulks)
Additional escorts to be reassigned from Brute Squad and Sniper Teams as needed.
2 to 3 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
~3x Pope Class Grand Carrier
-- Note possible support of ~2x Scots Class Grand Cruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of ~2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of 4x Marauder Class Battlecruiser reassigned from Sniper Teams
-- Note possible support of 6x Disciple Class Carrier reassigned from Sniper Teams
-- Note possible support of up to ~20x Bishop Class Carrier reassigned from Brute Squad
-- Note possible support of up to ~24 Acolyte Class Carrier reassigned from Sniper Teams
200x Descent Class Destroyer (would have to build, no hulks)
Additional escorts to be reassigned from Brute Squad and Sniper Teams as needed.
1x Command Battleship? Alexander class?
2x Legate Class Battleship-A battleship equipped with a mix of lances, weapons batteries, torpedos and attack craft bays.
3x Champion Class Battleship-A battleship equipped with a massive collection of powerful weapons batteries and a Ragnarok Cannon.
2x Hero Class Battleship- A battleship equipped with a massive collection of exceeding powerful lances, including two superlances.
2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser- A battlecruiser armed with a mix of lances, weapons batteries and attack craft bays.
6x Disciple Class Carrier- A battlecruiser armed with several lances and two large attack craft bays.
40x Warrior Class Cruiser- This is the cheap generalist cruiser that you have already found.
40x Hoplite Class Cruiser- This is the cheap lance equipped cruiser that you have already found.
50x Bishop Class Carrier- This is the cheap carrier that you have already found.
40x Praetorian Class Cruiser- This is the cheap short ranged cruiser that you have already found.
10x Bolas Class Cruiser- The haywire equipped cruiser you have already found.
15x Corsair Class Cruiser- This is the fast cruiser that you have already found.
15x Poacher Class Cruiser- This is the lance equipped fast cruiser that you have already found.
30x Cossack Class Cruiser- This is the torpedo based fast cruiser that you have already found.
20x Acolyte Class Carrier- This is the fast carrier that you have already found.
40x Youxia Class Escort Cruiser -This is the escort cruiser that you have already discovered.
40x Monk Class Escort Carrier- This is the Escort Carrier that you have already discovered.
20x Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser- This is the Light Cruiser that you have already discovered.
20x Adherent Class Light Carrier- This is Light Carrier that you have already discovered.
40x Fog Class Light Cruiser- This is stealth based Light Cruiser equipped with attack craft bays and torpedoes.
Escort Numbers:
500x Squire Class Frigate
1000x Soldier Class Destroyer
500x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
400x Page Class Frigate
600x Privateer Class Raider
2x Legate Class Battleship-A battleship equipped with a mix of lances, weapons batteries, torpedos and attack craft bays.
3x Champion Class Battleship-A battleship equipped with a massive collection of powerful weapons batteries and a Ragnarok Cannon.
2x Hero Class Battleship- A battleship equipped with a massive collection of exceeding powerful lances, including two superlances.
2x Marauder Class Battlecruiser- A battlecruiser armed with a mix of lances, weapons batteries and attack craft bays.
6x Disciple Class Carrier- A battlecruiser armed with several lances and two large attack craft bays.
40x Warrior Class Cruiser- This is the cheap generalist cruiser that you have already found.
40x Hoplite Class Cruiser- This is the cheap lance equipped cruiser that you have already found.
50x Bishop Class Carrier- This is the cheap carrier that you have already found.
40x Praetorian Class Cruiser- This is the cheap short ranged cruiser that you have already found.
10x Bolas Class Cruiser- The haywire equipped cruiser you have already found.
15x Corsair Class Cruiser- This is the fast cruiser that you have already found.
15x Poacher Class Cruiser- This is the lance equipped fast cruiser that you have already found.
30x Cossack Class Cruiser- This is the torpedo based fast cruiser that you have already found.
20x Acolyte Class Carrier- This is the fast carrier that you have already found.
40x Youxia Class Escort Cruiser -This is the escort cruiser that you have already discovered.
40x Monk Class Escort Carrier- This is the Escort Carrier that you have already discovered.
20x Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser- This is the Light Cruiser that you have already discovered.
20x Adherent Class Light Carrier- This is Light Carrier that you have already discovered.
40x Fog Class Light Cruiser- This is stealth based Light Cruiser equipped with attack craft bays and torpedoes.
Escort Numbers:
500x Squire Class Frigate
1000x Soldier Class Destroyer
500x Legionnaire Class Destroyer
400x Page Class Frigate
600x Privateer Class Raider
1x Apostle Class Command Battleship
~4x Saint Class Carrier Battleship
~3x Pope Class Grand Carrier
~3x Scots Class Grand Cruiser
~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier
Note possible support by the Carriers from the General Line ships.
200x Descent Class Destroyer (would have to build, no hulks)
Additional escorts to be reassigned from General Line as needed.
~4x Saint Class Carrier Battleship
~3x Pope Class Grand Carrier
~3x Scots Class Grand Cruiser
~3x Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
~3x Templar Class Heavy Carrier
Note possible support by the Carriers from the General Line ships.
200x Descent Class Destroyer (would have to build, no hulks)
Additional escorts to be reassigned from General Line as needed.
Something like that? Size to be expanded or reduced according to Midgard economic constraints.
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Stealth group seems rather unnecessary with Muspelheim planning on focusing their navy in that direction.
Might still be worth a pared down version of it. I think we want some stealth ships, no matter what, so that we have some good scouts.
Heck, I think all the system fleets ought to have at least a dozen or so Fog Light Cruisers and two score Shadow Destroyers.
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
1. I will be providing that option soon
2. They will bee added as their own options first and then to More Specialists
3. Probably but you will have to sound out the other worlds before she can investigate
4. Yes it will, the changes are small enough
5. No that will require individual diplomacy actions that will be available next turn
Not much happened this turn
I would like go with the Admiral opinion of going with specialiced versions for the different planets and a general layout for the trust navy.
I am for focussing Avernus on Planetary Assault.
Do I understand your plan correct, that the Assault formation would be the extra to the Brute? As far as I understood it ships good for planetary defence are good for planetary assault as well.
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think the difference between the Planetary Assault Auxiliary and everything else, is the Aux is specifically to facilitate and support the landing and deployment of troops from orbit to the surface, while the others are meant to destroy any planetary defense fleets/installations so the Aux can get close enough to start landing.
- Location
- not telling
This is far to many ships in total if we want to focus on the elite ground troops. I mean that's 2 CB's, 7BB's, 7 GC's, 232 Cruiers of all types, and 3,450 LC/Escorts with 103 Stealth ships on the high end. Based on what we want we need a heavy Planetary Assault fleet that can guard our troop transports, bull though an enemy fleet, wipe out orbital defenses, then deploy our troops and guard the landing zones from a enemy fleet raining lead on them. I don't think we should pass 1,500 total warp capable ships for our fleet and even then would like to keep it under 1,000 if we can. Here's my version of a Fleet build with that and our objectives in mind.
1x Einherjar Class Command Battleship
2 Champion Class Battleship
2 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
3 Pope Class Grand Carrier
4 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
4 Marauder Class Battlecruiser
4 Disciple Class Carrier
2 Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
2 Husser Class Battlecruiser
30 Knight Class Cruiser
25 Cataphract Cruiser
25 Kshatriya Cruiser
10 Samurai Cruiser
5 Corsair Class Cruiser
5 Poacher Class Cruiser
5 Cossack Class Cruiser
5 Acolyte Class Carrier
15 Warrior Class Cruiser
15 Hoplite Class Cruiser
15 Bishop Class Carrier
15 Praetorian Class Cruiser
15 Bolas Class Cruiser
25 New Class of Haywire Cheap Cruisers
50 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser
50 Monk Class Escort Carrier
15 Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser
15 Adherent Class Light Carrier
200 Squire Class Frigate
500 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Page Class Frigate
50 Privateer Class Raider
75 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
50 Descent Class Destroyer-
50 New Class of Haywire Escorts
Stealth insertion unit
1 Night Class Battlecruiser
10 Fog Class Light Cruiser
25 Shadow Class Destroyer
2 Champion Class Battleship
2 Saint Class Carrier Battleship
2 Gurkha Class Grand Cruiser
3 Pope Class Grand Carrier
4 Teutonic Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Chevalier Class Heavy Cruiser
6 Paladin Class Heavy Cruiser
4 Templar Class Heavy Carrier
4 Marauder Class Battlecruiser
4 Disciple Class Carrier
2 Uhlan Class Battlecruiser
2 Husser Class Battlecruiser
30 Knight Class Cruiser
25 Cataphract Cruiser
25 Kshatriya Cruiser
10 Samurai Cruiser
5 Corsair Class Cruiser
5 Poacher Class Cruiser
5 Cossack Class Cruiser
5 Acolyte Class Carrier
15 Warrior Class Cruiser
15 Hoplite Class Cruiser
15 Bishop Class Carrier
15 Praetorian Class Cruiser
15 Bolas Class Cruiser
25 New Class of Haywire Cheap Cruisers
50 Youxia Class Escort Cruiser
50 Monk Class Escort Carrier
15 Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser
15 Adherent Class Light Carrier
200 Squire Class Frigate
500 Soldier Class Destroyer
100 Page Class Frigate
50 Privateer Class Raider
75 Legionnaire Class Destroyer
50 Descent Class Destroyer-
50 New Class of Haywire Escorts
Stealth insertion unit
1 Night Class Battlecruiser
10 Fog Class Light Cruiser
25 Shadow Class Destroyer
This build gives us 1 CB's, 4 BB's, 5 GC's, 242 Cruisers of all types, 130 Light Cruisers, 1025 Escorts and 36 Stealth ships. It's Cruiser heavy with a leaning toward heavily armored types and carriers. That lets us force our way into orbit and crush ODP's, HODP's, and ODS's with our armored types with the carriers bringing our advanced Fighters, Bombers, and air wings for the space and ground fight. We also have enough faster and long range types to pin a fleet in place till we can bring our slower ships into the fight or chase away a sniping type group trying to sit out of our range picking us off. Light on Escorts but they're to screen our Cruisers not form wolf packs as well so it gets the job done. The Stealth insertion unit is for two things. One is for the Night Class or some of the Fog Classes to sneak in and Stealth shuttle down a Elite group down like the Phase Tigers to sabotage things before we start landing of ships/ orbital defenses before the main fleet arrives for the fight. Two is as a ambush group with the Fog and Shadow Classes to take out key units. If the escorts are still to light I guess we can add half again to them but my fear is that that is to many ships as is.
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