I'm saying that you would have to design the ship to use it.
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I'm saying that you would have to design the ship to use it.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
1. They are not compatible at the moment
2. You can change later
Are we sure we want a Berserker, though? It fills the same role as the Command Battleship that we've bought, so it might be better for us to get a different type.
@durin - What would Parnell's recommendations be regarding Battleships, given our purchase of the Einherjar? How many and what types would he prefer? (presuming we're building a planetary assault fleet)
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
Point. The fellblades are very likely to have mechanicus crew members(at least an enginseer), but there's a difference between a mechanicus unit going rogue and a unit of our military doing the same. I expect most pdf forces will just be lacking in maintenance rather than outright going rogue as they're in a different chain of command.
Agreed that preventing a civil war is more important, but I get the impression that if reforms continue it's only a matter of time. I don't feel strongly on the matter, so i'm going to let it lie until we get stronger mentions of mechanicus unrest. I will say that we have stronger reasons than the mechanicus to improve anti-titan measures(garkill).
With the way our upkeep is ticking up every turn, I think we need to fit in admin reorganization 5, we've already put it off too long.
Personally, I think it's more important and urgent than making plans for sapper regiments.
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- United States
It should be noted, Siege Infantry Brigades are already sappers. Combat Engineer, Urban Defense and Offense, and anti-fortification work is literally their job description. There may or may not be value in elite versions of sappers with grav weapons and other exotic kit, but sapper units already exist.
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
Then that only makes the planning of sapper units even less urgent and important compared to other options.
- Location
- Spain
Yes administration reform part 5, with the legendary 4th action unlocked, even if it's just a rumor all what we are going to save would make it worth it.
- Location
- USA
@Elder Haman that is what I get for posting from a phone. I meant starship construction for the chances. Also I felt we could do the graveyard move as a personal attention. For shipyards we do have one void action a year ahead of the other two which is where I would expedite the first shipyard and then expedite again the following year.
Also I was more trying to get my general opinion out on the choices since we have an 18 hr wait until voting. I have to double check the pdf action to see how much the AM upkeep is as that is one of my big worries.
Do we have an estimate of our AM upkeep after we get the ships vanheim is repairing for us?
Also I was more trying to get my general opinion out on the choices since we have an 18 hr wait until voting. I have to double check the pdf action to see how much the AM upkeep is as that is one of my big worries.
Do we have an estimate of our AM upkeep after we get the ships vanheim is repairing for us?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
no more then half a dozen, including at least 1 Bezerker, 1 Champion, 2 Saints and a Hero
Just to throw in my two cents on this, I would presume the Fellblades would be manned by our Helltroopers/Helguard just like all our other elite specialist tank units. I don't think there's anything about them that requires that the AdMech be the ones who are using them.
Thanks. Is there a particular class of ship that Parnell would recommend we survey to start repairs on this turn? Or two classes, with a mix of the two being repaired, if a mix would be preferable.
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One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Agreed with dragon on the admin reorg 5. Might as well get the thing over with.
Of course, my view of military/naval for anything other than 'techup' and 'explore/expand/exploit/exterminate' is eh.. so..
Theological Studies Seminaries
I believe we should replace 'Those in the shadows' with the above. Ultimately, Deltas, Gammas and even Betas failing to pass doesn't endanger our future prospects all that much, as much as I would like to dispute that statement (Mostly because Avernus produces prodigious amounts of Major Psykers). Reducing Chaos cultists and abominations is significant more important than improving their odds.
(@durin - Do cultist numbers affect how likely psykers are to go chaotic?)
On the military, personally I think we should start the gradual reform then maybe speed up specific parts of it, though of course we might end up needing a military ASAP some time down the road..
Of course, my view of military/naval for anything other than 'techup' and 'explore/expand/exploit/exterminate' is eh.. so..
Theological Studies Seminaries
I believe we should replace 'Those in the shadows' with the above. Ultimately, Deltas, Gammas and even Betas failing to pass doesn't endanger our future prospects all that much, as much as I would like to dispute that statement (Mostly because Avernus produces prodigious amounts of Major Psykers). Reducing Chaos cultists and abominations is significant more important than improving their odds.
(@durin - Do cultist numbers affect how likely psykers are to go chaotic?)
On the military, personally I think we should start the gradual reform then maybe speed up specific parts of it, though of course we might end up needing a military ASAP some time down the road..
Simple really. Tranth keeps mauling the rules as AM understands things. Archeotech of that level is like the pinnacle of mankind's holy ancient tech base... Tranth upgrading it like this means he has to understand it to the point it starts to degrade into normal everyday tech. Who does that?
Tranth already took an entire class ancient tech (haywire weapons) and reduced them to something you can take a class on. This is freaky man... like too far out man. It use to be that all this stuff was beyond everybody... things of legend and myth. Tranth showed up and now its gotten to the point where there are so very many new STCs out there its hard to keep up.
Things are happening so fast for AM that they (metaphorically) have an entire branch of AM rapidly manufacturing bajillions of servoskulls for the sole purpose of having enough heads to spin. Its too much too fast. Its everything they ever wanted, said they wanted, or dreamed of wanting... and its coming at them before they can really react. For them its like a night owl stumbling into the kitchen in the morning to get some recaff and when they open the cupboard they find Stanly from 'UHF' inside wearing a tee shirt with 'All the STCs' written on it and then shooting them in the face with an over-pressured, archeotech fire hose designed use in stopping capitals ships from being on fire.
At this point, AM members are grasping at straws in an attempt to keep up. The more conservative members need an outlet for their stress... and its not something they can take out on the Holy Tranth. Now that jerk who keeps making AM move towards integration with everyone else? Much better as a target.
Unless Avernus gets lucky and has some fleet of Heritechs randomly wander into the system and get completely owned... they need to vent at something.
Well... I did consider it as a Personal Attention...
The problem was getting the Y5 Expedite. Which is hard to do without using Personal Attention for it. And as a 5 year action the Admin Reorg would preclude that as a Personal Attention.
The Sappers is just because I needed a 1 year action as a spacer to get the Expedite in Y5 on the Shipyards. So you can't trade the Sappers for Admin Reorg. We'd have to trade in the Pilot Armor, and the Sappers, and Expediting a 2nd set of Shipyards in Y5.
I'm also trying to keep the AM on the things we expedite as low as possible (which makes the Shipyards very attractive to Expedite).
I suppose I could do the Admin Reorg in Y2 instead of Upgrading Defenses, and use a Double Down there... however that means forgoing the +15 from our Palace bonus.
I kind of want as many bonuses as possible of the Admin Reorg, which is why I was thinking next turn as a Personal Attention would work the best...
Which do you think is better?
~50% chance this turn, or ~60% chance of success next turn? We of course can try again assuming we don't fail too badly.
Well of course. Sappers are not a priority for me at all. I'm looking for a 1 year action to space things so we can use the Y5 Expedite. Do you have an alternative 1 year action to propose?
Hmm... Maybe I could move Furthering Syr's education up into that slot...
Why? What is the benefit of doing it as a Personal Attention over a Void action?
I mean, I'm sure we can, but if we use our Personal Attention on a different Void action and use our Void action slot on Moving the Graveyard then the same stuff gets done right? And by using Personal Attention on the different Void actions we can schedule things so we can use an Expedite on a second set of shipyards.
No, we don't want to do that, because one of those slots is our Construction slot and we want to use that for a Construct action (repairing ships). Also, I am already expediting both of those Void actions (the Y2 is a Shipyard, and the Y3 is the Construct action to repair ships). Furthermore Moving the Graveyard can not be expedited, so it makes sense to schedule it the same time as we are expediting a different Void action.
No problem, that's what I am doing to, which is why I appreciate all the discussion.
Absolutely disagree with this. Cultists just dropped precipitously last turn (go read the Arbites section). There is no cultist crisis, so I think that having more psykers survive is much more important.
Umm... you know that the Gradual Refit is for wargear, which we are already doing for everyone but the militia, and the Refit for weapons is a different subject from the wargear, right?
Third draft based on feedback: (Minor changes to Personal Actions, dropped the Sappers)
[] Plan Elder Haman T67
Need some more input here. Should I do something else besides Rearm PDF:Light?
Maybe prepare an expedition?
Have to move the Graveyard. Repair a ship type we survey in the first year. Expand those shipyards. (Spending some Personal Attentions on other Void actions).
Use a personal attention on Knowledge Chairs because we can do it the first turn and use an open Expedite that way. Underground Railways are another cheap in AM cost, so we can expedite.
Two major topics we know are coming up. Let's sound out and not get blindsided. Also Peace Treaty with Sirens and Investigate the Quartoks. Open to reordering.
Get the Quarantine Review, and Psyker Hunting?
Could replace Psyker Hunting with Propaganda on Quartoks with a Double Down, or replace with a Dedicated Spy Network.
Would like some more discussion on Graviton Weapons vs examining other Archnotech. Also on what ship classes would be best to have for the High Council. Escorts and Buccaneer are a must, others are a bit more flexible. Though again I point out an intact Berserker Battleship. (And it's one of the types Admiral Parnell would like).
Have Saint Lin complete the last remaining valid target for Missionary Work (this is very very important, it reforms the church on the targeted system). Lots of psykers so do Those in the Shadows.
Gives us Mentoring on 6 to 7 Gammas and 1 Beta. Get cheating on Examining tech.
Spend Time with Syr, further her education. Choose Personal Attentions primarily based on what was affordable to Expedite, and so we could use all our Expedites. Every time we fail to use an expedite it costs us an action year. So we need a good reason to not use one.
Thoughts on the new draft?
[] Plan Elder Haman T67
Slot 1 (Locked):
Military Expansion
Slot 2 (3 yrs):
Y3: Investigate: New Armour
Slot 3 (4 yrs):
Y2: Investigate: New Aircraft;
Y5: Rearm PDF: Light
Military Expansion
Slot 2 (3 yrs):
Y3: Investigate: New Armour
Slot 3 (4 yrs):
Y2: Investigate: New Aircraft;
Y5: Rearm PDF: Light
Need some more input here. Should I do something else besides Rearm PDF:Light?
Maybe prepare an expedition?
Slot 1 (4 yrs):
Y2: Expedite: Expand Shipyards
Slot 2 (3 yrs):
Y3: Move Graveyard
Construction Slot (3 yrs):
Y3: Expedite: Construct: Repair: Buccaneer
If possible limit to the number completed in 3 to 4 years.
Y2: Expedite: Expand Shipyards
Slot 2 (3 yrs):
Y3: Move Graveyard
Construction Slot (3 yrs):
Y3: Expedite: Construct: Repair: Buccaneer
If possible limit to the number completed in 3 to 4 years.
Have to move the Graveyard. Repair a ship type we survey in the first year. Expand those shipyards. (Spending some Personal Attentions on other Void actions).
Slot 1 (4 yrs):
Y2: Upgrade Defences: Salem and The Fens
Slot 2 (2 yr):
Y4: Expedite: Underground Railways: Expand
Slot 3 (Locked):
Internal Transit Networks: All
Y2: Upgrade Defences: Salem and The Fens
Slot 2 (2 yr):
Y4: Expedite: Underground Railways: Expand
Slot 3 (Locked):
Internal Transit Networks: All
Use a personal attention on Knowledge Chairs because we can do it the first turn and use an open Expedite that way. Underground Railways are another cheap in AM cost, so we can expedite.
Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Double Down: Peace Treaty: Sirens
Y3: Investigate Quartok (Education)
Y4: Investigate Quartok (Military)
Y5: Ear to the ground
Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Repeat: Sound Out (Navy Construction)
Admiral Freyr wants a meeting about what kind of navies to build. Let's find out who is interested and their thoughts.
Y2: Repeat: Sound Out (Resource Colonies)
Y3: Sound Out (Building more Small Shipyards throughout the Trust)
Y4: Sound Out (Inter-system Law enforcement Cooperation)
Y5: Sound Out (Improved Quarantine procedures for Avernite Ships)
I am assuming that Repeat means that if there is still more to learn we will try again next turn, bumping latter years back (until they drop off). Thus I have put the high priority ones first. I expect we may not get to the last three.
Double Downs on the Y2 and Y3 of Sound Outs
Building more Small Shipyards throughout the Trust
As a way to deal with repairing the many escort wrecks. Imply that Avernus will be generous in distributing some wrecks to those systems that agree to build shipyards.
Inter-system Law enforcement Cooperation
Find out if there is interest in producing greater cooperation between system law enforcement. Something like Interpool.
Improved Quarantine procedures for Avernite Ships
Avernus training for quarantine officials on each other system to handle Avernite risks, providing an increased layered defense.
Y1: Double Down: Peace Treaty: Sirens
Y3: Investigate Quartok (Education)
Y4: Investigate Quartok (Military)
Y5: Ear to the ground
Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Repeat: Sound Out (Navy Construction)
Admiral Freyr wants a meeting about what kind of navies to build. Let's find out who is interested and their thoughts.
Y2: Repeat: Sound Out (Resource Colonies)
Y3: Sound Out (Building more Small Shipyards throughout the Trust)
Y4: Sound Out (Inter-system Law enforcement Cooperation)
Y5: Sound Out (Improved Quarantine procedures for Avernite Ships)
I am assuming that Repeat means that if there is still more to learn we will try again next turn, bumping latter years back (until they drop off). Thus I have put the high priority ones first. I expect we may not get to the last three.
Double Downs on the Y2 and Y3 of Sound Outs
Building more Small Shipyards throughout the Trust
As a way to deal with repairing the many escort wrecks. Imply that Avernus will be generous in distributing some wrecks to those systems that agree to build shipyards.
Inter-system Law enforcement Cooperation
Find out if there is interest in producing greater cooperation between system law enforcement. Something like Interpool.
Improved Quarantine procedures for Avernite Ships
Avernus training for quarantine officials on each other system to handle Avernite risks, providing an increased layered defense.
Two major topics we know are coming up. Let's sound out and not get blindsided. Also Peace Treaty with Sirens and Investigate the Quartoks. Open to reordering.
Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Quarantine Review
Slot 2 (4 yrs):
Y2: Psyker Hunting
Y3: Psyker Hunting
Y4: Psyker Hunting
Y5: Psyker Hunting
Y1: Quarantine Review
Slot 2 (4 yrs):
Y2: Psyker Hunting
Y3: Psyker Hunting
Y4: Psyker Hunting
Y5: Psyker Hunting
Get the Quarantine Review, and Psyker Hunting?
Could replace Psyker Hunting with Propaganda on Quartoks with a Double Down, or replace with a Dedicated Spy Network.
Explorator Slot (5 yrs):
Y1: Train Surveyors
Y4: Double Down: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Biologus Slot (5 yrs):
Y1: In-depth Examination (Bombardment Cacti)
Y4: In-depth Examination (Thundabeasts)
Construction Slot (4 yr):
Y2: Lie of the Land
Y5: Design Advanced Troop Transports
Anything Slot (5 yr):
Y1: Detailed Survey (Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser);
Y2: Detailed Survey (Berserker Class Battleship)
Y3: Detailed Survey (Cossak Class Cruiser)
Y4: Examine Adamantine Forges
Y5: Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
Bonus Survey Slot (2 Yr):
Y4: Detailed Survey (Privateer Class Raider)
Y5: Detailed Survey (Legionnaire Class Destroyer)
Y1: Train Surveyors
Y4: Double Down: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Biologus Slot (5 yrs):
Y1: In-depth Examination (Bombardment Cacti)
Y4: In-depth Examination (Thundabeasts)
Construction Slot (4 yr):
Y2: Lie of the Land
Y5: Design Advanced Troop Transports
Anything Slot (5 yr):
Y1: Detailed Survey (Buccaneer Class Light Cruiser);
Y2: Detailed Survey (Berserker Class Battleship)
Y3: Detailed Survey (Cossak Class Cruiser)
Y4: Examine Adamantine Forges
Y5: Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
Bonus Survey Slot (2 Yr):
Y4: Detailed Survey (Privateer Class Raider)
Y5: Detailed Survey (Legionnaire Class Destroyer)
Would like some more discussion on Graviton Weapons vs examining other Archnotech. Also on what ship classes would be best to have for the High Council. Escorts and Buccaneer are a must, others are a bit more flexible. Though again I point out an intact Berserker Battleship. (And it's one of the types Admiral Parnell would like).
Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Those in the Shadows
Y2: Those in the Shadows
Y3: Those in the Shadows
Y4: Those in the Shadows
Y5: Those in the Shadows
Slot 2 (1 yr):
Y5: Missionary Work (Svartalfheim)
Y1: Those in the Shadows
Y2: Those in the Shadows
Y3: Those in the Shadows
Y4: Those in the Shadows
Y5: Those in the Shadows
Slot 2 (1 yr):
Y5: Missionary Work (Svartalfheim)
Have Saint Lin complete the last remaining valid target for Missionary Work (this is very very important, it reforms the church on the targeted system). Lots of psykers so do Those in the Shadows.
Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Mentoring
Y2: Mentoring
Y3: Mentoring
Y4: Research: Black Crystal Items (Crown)
Slot 2 (2 yrs):
Y4: Cheating: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Y5: Cheating: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
Y1: Mentoring
Y2: Mentoring
Y3: Mentoring
Y4: Research: Black Crystal Items (Crown)
Slot 2 (2 yrs):
Y4: Cheating: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Y5: Cheating: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
Gives us Mentoring on 6 to 7 Gammas and 1 Beta. Get cheating on Examining tech.
Personal Attention Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Personal Attention: Expedite: Knowledge Implantation Chairs: Large Factory: All
Personal Attention Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Further Education: Syr
Y2: Personal Attention: Pilot Armour: Attack Craft Wings
Y5: Personal Attention: Expedite: Expand Shipyards
General Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Governor's Own: Duel Plasma Foils
General Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Spend Time With Syr;
Y2: Spend Time With Syr;
Y3: Spend Time With Syr;
Y4: Spend Time With Syr;
Y5: Spend Time With Syr
Y1: Personal Attention: Expedite: Knowledge Implantation Chairs: Large Factory: All
Personal Attention Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Further Education: Syr
Y2: Personal Attention: Pilot Armour: Attack Craft Wings
Y5: Personal Attention: Expedite: Expand Shipyards
General Slot 1 (5 yrs):
Y1: Governor's Own: Duel Plasma Foils
General Slot 2 (5 yrs):
Y1: Spend Time With Syr;
Y2: Spend Time With Syr;
Y3: Spend Time With Syr;
Y4: Spend Time With Syr;
Y5: Spend Time With Syr
Spend Time with Syr, further her education. Choose Personal Attentions primarily based on what was affordable to Expedite, and so we could use all our Expedites. Every time we fail to use an expedite it costs us an action year. So we need a good reason to not use one.
Yr 1: Knowledge Implantation Chairs: Large Factory: All
Yr 2: Expand Shipyards
Yr 3: Construct: Repair: Buccaneer
Yr 4: Underground Railways: Expand
Yr 5: Expand Shipyards
Yr 2: Expand Shipyards
Yr 3: Construct: Repair: Buccaneer
Yr 4: Underground Railways: Expand
Yr 5: Expand Shipyards
Yr 1: Peace Treaty: Sirens
Yr 2: Sound Out
Yr 3: Sound Out
Yr 4: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Yr 5: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
Yr 2: Sound Out
Yr 3: Sound Out
Yr 4: Examine: Graviton Weapons
Yr 5: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
Thoughts on the new draft?
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
We should sent them on a suicide mission.
No expedition now. After the relevant portion of th military has been rearmed.
Your reasoning against doing the Heavy version of Hellguard or Helltrooper is sound as well.
I don't like having Frederick do a 7 year action of expanding the shipyards. But having him not doing it will delay the next large shipyard by 3 years. So we can do another construction voidship action before combining them into the third large.
Y3: Sound Out (Building more Small Shipyards throughout the Trust)
Was obsolete. It was deemed to taxing to support more than three places with shipyards. That would need changing.
Our current gross income is currently 5 times greater than the projected upkeep. It is still expensive but not quite that expensive.
They are already on Avernus. Where do you want to sent them? A deamonworld or right into the eye of terror?
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
We need to create our own assassin ordos.
- Location
- Germany
I actually prefer Arbites-Assassins. Less efficient but a lot more... human.
That's income over five years, not annual income. Divide by five. Actual income is 890,452.8 per year - while not quite over, it would be once our new fleet is factored in. We can't afford the Heavy upgrade just yet.
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
We could get help from our friends in the Inquisition.