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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Looking at Elder Haman's plan and adding one extra bit to the end.

@durin - What level of support would the middle ground plan have with this option?

- After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency, and the colonial government will be subject to an Inquisitorial audit to ensure that the colonizer has not attempted to set up a puppet government.

What level of support would the Middle Ground proposal get with that instead of the current requirement?

Checking for corruption is one of the Inquisition's jobs, so I figure they could be used in this capacity. Though people might not like them butting in, I suppose.
 
Enjou said:
Looking at Elder Haman's plan and adding one extra bit to the end.

@durin - What level of support would the middle ground plan have with this option?

- After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency, and the colonial government will be subject to an Inquisitorial audit to ensure that the colonizer has not attempted to set up a puppet government.

What level of support would the Middle Ground proposal get with that instead of the current requirement?

Checking for corruption is one of the Inquisition's jobs, so I figure they could be used in this capacity. Though people might not like them butting in, I suppose.
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this option would pass
 
Enjou said:
Looking at Elder Haman's plan and adding one extra bit to the end.

@durin - What level of support would the middle ground plan have with this option?

- After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency, and the colonial government will be subject to an Inquisitorial audit to ensure that the colonizer has not attempted to set up a puppet government.

What level of support would the Middle Ground proposal get with that instead of the current requirement?

Checking for corruption is one of the Inquisition's jobs, so I figure they could be used in this capacity. Though people might not like them butting in, I suppose.
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durin said:
this option would pass
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@Elder Haman - This option good with you? It meets the intent of the law without the problems you believe the other version will raise, so I'm thinking of switching my version to it.

EDIT - Making the switch. It works and it'll pass.
 
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Alex pears said:
Well Ork's be Ork's but apparently the Necrons were commanded by an "idiot":???:
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Ruirk said:
Indeed. Durin straight up told us that the Necron commander was just a really bad commander compared to his opposition. It explains why the Necron invasion was so dismal compared to the Chaos and Ork invasions.
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durin rolled a nat 3 for the Necron Commander's skill. For comparison he rolled a nat 97 for Garkill.

On another note, @durin: The Volume 1's Chapter Four Omake list is written as "Chapeter Four".
 
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Enjou said:
- Within a decade of the colony forming it shall have a local government made up entirely of people living on the colony. -After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency, and the colonial government will be subject to an Inquisitorial audit to ensure that the colonizer has not attempted to set up a puppet government.
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I don't like the "years of residency" bits. Say there's this baby that's moving to the colony. The baby is two weeks old when it finally gets there. The baby grows up there into a dude but can't be part of the government for at least 50 years because he wasn't born there, despite several of his friends (aged a few years younger) capable of joining because they were born there. It's not fair that the guy who's lived longer on the planet than his friends and since before he was sentient isn't allowed to join the government unless we waits until he's over 50 years old.

I recommend changing it to a percentile value, rather than an absolute value. Make it so that if the dude lived more than 50% (or some other number) of his life on the planet, he can join the government. That allows the dude to be in the government at age 20 even if he wasn't born on the planet because he's lived damn near all his life on it.
 
@Enjou @Elder Haman This is a very good point, would you consider to switch it?
Andres110 said:
I don't like the "years of residency" bits. Say there's this baby that's moving to the colony. The baby is two weeks old when it finally gets there. The baby grows up there into a dude but can't be part of the government for at least 50 years because he wasn't born there, despite several of his friends (aged a few years younger) capable of joining because they were born there. It's not fair that the guy who's lived longer on the planet than his friends and since before he was sentient isn't allowed to join the government unless we waits until he's over 50 years old.

I recommend changing it to a percentile value, rather than an absolute value. Make it so that if the dude lived more than 50% (or some other number) of his life on the planet, he can join the government. That allows the dude to be in the government at age 20 even if he wasn't born on the planet because he's lived damn near all his life on it.
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Fanhunter696 said:
@Enjou @Elder Haman This is a very good point, would you consider to switch it?
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I don't think that's really an issue. I mean, yeah, it sucks for the guy involved, but we're not trying to legislate a perfect utopia--instead, we're trying to prevent the colony from remaining under the control of the parent government indefinitely. The way the quotas are set up the colony should be well above the minimums unless some hinky shit is happening, like the home world sending over their own administrators instead of training new ones out of the local population. Remember, the only time they're going to be hiring based on the quotas is if they're in real danger of failing them.
 
I just want to get this over with and get a look at the new data sheets for the Navy and Quartoks. Also getting a list of what was on that datacore.
 
durin said:
patience, i haven't even finished deciding what is on the datacores yet
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I hope you had enough ideas. Many people tried really hard to give inspiration. ;)

Have you decided what types of information are on the datacore? We know that the majority of the ships are on them but out of which fields is something on them as well? Unknown/unspeculated shiptech, weapons, vehicels, medicine, civilian, mechanic, industrial, arcane, psycer or a bit of everything? :D
 
fasquardon said:
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I'm kinda surprised this post became so popular. I was bracing myself for lots of replies telling me off for my bad ideas.

Andres110 said:
I don't like the "years of residency" bits. Say there's this baby that's moving to the colony. The baby is two weeks old when it finally gets there. The baby grows up there into a dude but can't be part of the government for at least 50 years because he wasn't born there, despite several of his friends (aged a few years younger) capable of joining because they were born there. It's not fair that the guy who's lived longer on the planet than his friends and since before he was sentient isn't allowed to join the government unless we waits until he's over 50 years old.

I recommend changing it to a percentile value, rather than an absolute value. Make it so that if the dude lived more than 50% (or some other number) of his life on the planet, he can join the government. That allows the dude to be in the government at age 20 even if he wasn't born on the planet because he's lived damn near all his life on it.
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Or we can simply make it so that years of residency is the decider. So someone who has lived in a colony 50 years, then whether they arrived off a starship or out of their mother's womb, we have an equal standard.

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Elder Haman said:
I could even change it to this:

"After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency."
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Enjou said:
Looking at Elder Haman's plan and adding one extra bit to the end.

@durin - What level of support would the middle ground plan have with this option?

- After fifty years, 50% of the local government officials must be native born or have 25 years of residency. After seventy-five years 66% of the local government officials must be native born or have 35 years of residency. After one hundred years 75% of the local government officials must be native born or have 50 years of residency, and the colonial government will be subject to an Inquisitorial audit to ensure that the colonizer has not attempted to set up a puppet government.

What level of support would the Middle Ground proposal get with that instead of the current requirement?

Checking for corruption is one of the Inquisition's jobs, so I figure they could be used in this capacity. Though people might not like them butting in, I suppose.
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So, considering you've found a working consensus on the main argument, what are actually the remaining differences between your plans?
 
Beyogi said:
So, considering you've found a working consensus on the main argument, what are actually the remaining differences between your plans?
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For Defences: Elder Haman's plan still supports the default Aelfric plan (which doesn't have majority support) whereas mine has the altered version that adds a militia requirement, system defence ships for anti-piracy, and enforces the 1% minimum population standard for PDF totals if colony population warrants it.

For Colony Protections: The main difference currently is that Elder Haman's version still includes the native born requirement for the Planetary Governor. I think this is unnecessary given the Inquisitorial audit, as any non-puppet Governor will have an interest in not having the colony be exploited by the colonizer once they are independent, especially if the position is for life and hereditary. Also, a capable Governor is one of the last people you want to be forced to replace.
 
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