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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Of course that is all for naught now. Doesn't help that in a 1,000 years many people will likely not remember the God-Emperor.
Well, I suppose in a relative fashion in terms of how many people. I'm expect most of humanity to forget him in a 1,000 years.
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the Astates protectorates will remember him, as will you
Doomed Wombat
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Nah he's burned too deep into the memory of pretty much every human civilization. They ain't forgetting him that quick.
Will it really? Abrahamic religion has been around for more than 2000 years
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Here is the problem, too many forces at work that are going to wreck a lot of knowledge involving the God-Emperor and his Imperium. There is a risk that many will come to fear the idea of a God-Emperor being associated with the Starfather (oddly enough they are sort of right). In time that deep memory starts to turn into something else, something more chaotic.
Also things tend to be forgotten a lot in 40k.
True, but I hesitate to compare what happened with Abrahamic religion with what is going on now. Also, while you might be right there is chance that somethings will get lost in translation.
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Doomed Wombat
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Dude this is the Imperium, every bum scratch primitive world has its own interpretation of the emps. As for fear of him being associated with the Star Father... That is a legit concern after all the people who turn easiest were the most pious and often were priests in the old imperium.
Also @durin
According to your quest who was
How long until the books and tomes are lost to whatever. How long until those places of worships are destroyed and taken apart. You are not taken into consideration the external or even internal variables of what can happen. Sooner or later the messages and stories and icons will be change and ultimately turn into something completely foreign.
Remember, a lot can happen in a 100 years, a 1000 increase the chances of that.
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I need to catch up, but it boggles the mind that the cultural/psychological, etc. footprint of 10,000 years would fade from most planets in just a thousand. Even at lower levels of civilization we didn't forget about the greek pagan gods while no longer worshipping them. It may take a lot more time for those religions to just fade away.
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1. That's a rather small amount. If a third of the population is children, that's less than 150,000 children which is likely far less than the amount of orphans Avernus produces. Is there any chance we can expand the Schola? Not only to encompass Avernus but also the rest of the Nine Worlds. They're gonna run out of commissar sooner or later.
2. Where are our stormtroopers? When we built the Schola it was said we'd get stormtroopers but the closest we've gotten are grenadiers in the form of the Hellguard.
3. Are minimum psykers more or less strong-willed on average compared to non-psykers? Are they more vulnerable to the Warp than non-psykers?
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When I asked you said it wasn't made clear. Why the clarification now? (Also blegh, I liked the story of an ordinary person making a difference for once. I guess only immortal superhumans actually matter in 40k...)
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Well the problem is that with Chaos forces they likely want to replace those religions with their own. The xenos will likely just destroy the shit out of anything related to the Imperial Cult for reasons. Then there is the civic collapse and god only knows how many wars taking place. That footprint is in danger of getting completely eliminated because of several factors such as enemy armies knowing how to hit humanity where it hurts.
Most people are likely going to remember for the first 500 or so years, but odds are the information is going to become so muddled that people are going to start forgetting things. Remember 40k is big on the idea of lost knowledge and the idea of it being a cyclical event. The people that truly remembered the Imperium will all likely die out in less than 300 or so years. That leaves another 700+ years in which events could result in people completely forgetting or losing an idea of what exactly the galaxy was like when the Imperium was around.
EDIT: @durin This actually could make for a really interesting and fucked up sign of how desperate things could start becoming for many worlds. The Starfather is now basically getting ALL the prayers from people now, right? What if people started notice that the hardcore worshippers of the old Imperial Creed are the ones that are turning to the Starfather the most and that places of worship for the God-Emperor were like the biggest gathering zones.
Would the population after a while (say 200 or so years) start to destroy or dismantle those locations and destroying the old words of the God-Emperor to protect themselves from the Abominations followers? That after another period of time they start to consider the whole idea of worshiping a God-Emperor to just be another turn of phrase for the Abomination. Soon killing all those that worship the God-Emperor regardless of if they are followers of the Starfather or not...soon placing them in the same category of those that worship the Eight Pointed Star.
See that's a good in-lore reason why after a 1000 years the idea of worshiping the God-Emperor can start not only disappear but be vilified by a chunk of humanity. Yesterdays savior now today's devil.
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1. There are other orphanages
2. I will provide them at some point
3. On average the same but slightly more vulnerable to the Warp
Doomed Wombat
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Derek58
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That's not true and you know it.
The Imperial Guard and Navy have always been regular humans, and they made up 99% of the Imperium's military forces.
Rothbart and all of his people are mortal humans, and look what they've accomplished, helping keep the better parts of the Imperium alive in our little corner of the galaxy.
Cadia held as long as it did mostly because of human tenacity.
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Doomed Wombat
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Yeah I know. I just find the image of him standing firm against pretty much the physical manifestation of Chaos at that point incredibly cool.
Also this
Ollanus was supposed to remind the reader that in the end, 40k is a conflict that focuses on how utterly inconsequentially humanity is in the setting and Ollanus not giving a fuck about it.
He straight up knew he was going to die, but didn't care. He probably figured he want to die standing with dignity and pride than just cower in the face of a fight between demi-gods.
He straight up knew he was going to die, but didn't care. He probably figured he want to die standing with dignity and pride than just cower in the face of a fight between demi-gods.
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You're entirely missing the point of what I was trying to say and taking it out of context to boot. Ollanius Pius was a symbol meant to demonstrate that courage and strength can come from anyone, not just from "special" people. Replacing him with a Terminator, a Custodes, and now a Perpetual misses the point of what his character was supposed to represent.
Derek58
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And i gave you examples of how courage and strength can come from anyone.
Doomed Wombat
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He did his duty as all loyal guards men should do.
After being thrown into a literal hell, with beings that could kill him in an instant all around him did he run? Did he give up?
NO. He stayed on his feet fought for his Emperor and HE DIED STANDING.
After being thrown into a literal hell, with beings that could kill him in an instant all around him did he run? Did he give up?
NO. He stayed on his feet fought for his Emperor and HE DIED STANDING.
Its probably mostly that it is *******ing Horus.
Actually even he might not remember, Emps evidently forgot a lot of things about his past. Also 13,000 years on the Throne might have caused him to forget a few more things.
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We're discussing Ollanius Pius specifically, Derek. When I said "I guess only immortal superhumans actually matter in 40k", that was an exaggeration. Of course humans matter and they show courage/strength all the time, but we're talking about how Ollanius Pius in particular is being used (or not used) as a symbol for this.
It didn't matter in the canon 40k world either. Someone stepped in front of Horus and that's all that really mattered as far as the setting is concerned. What does it matter if he was really a Perpetual or not? It doesn't, honestly, at least not in any material sense. The problem is that he's a symbolic character being bastardised to no longer embody what he's supposed to stand for. From a literary sense, it matters a lot.
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The Super- Exitus Sniper Rifle. How much is the bullet's mass?
Cause at few hundred kilometers per second even if at one gram the power aproaches Iowa battleship 16 inch cannon shell power.
Actually anything fired at that speeds is just going to be a beam of plasma moving away from the muzzle.
Cause at few hundred kilometers per second even if at one gram the power aproaches Iowa battleship 16 inch cannon shell power.
Actually anything fired at that speeds is just going to be a beam of plasma moving away from the muzzle.