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actually only Trooper, Shocktrooper and raider came from starcraft, the rest I made up
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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But souls aren't a Materium thing, hence why I said they had the home advantage when the Emperor pulled his soul-destroying stunt.
Then there's also him keeping the warp portal under Terra closed, protecting the entire galaxy from Chaos, and keeping the greater-than-any-other-Chaos-God Star Father chained up all at the same time. All of this while he was both nearly dead and constantly powering himself to keep himself from losing the "nearly" bit (the psykers sacrificed were to power the Astronomican, he kept himself alive by himself).
All signs point to him being more powerful than any single Chaos God. The only proof we have that he's weaker than a god is that he's not a god, which...isn't really proof at all.
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1. Killing a champion or even destroying the champions soul in no way indicates that he is more powerful then the Chaos Gods, it is likely that Horus had something like 1-5% of each of the Chaos Gods power at the most. Also I would not count the Heresy as a defeat for the Chaos Gods, Nurgle in particular
2. Yes he did achieve some amazing things, but keeping a warp portal closed is no major feat, the protect the entire galaxy from Chaos thing is exaggerated, Chaos did not consume the galaxy before him or after him (he played a part but not the only part), and the keeping the Abomination Chained was a bit of a minnomer, keeping it from waking would be more accurate
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One opened by the Magnus the Red and who the Chaos Gods would really like opened does make it a major feat. Remember, a Golden-Throne empowered Malcador could only do it for a finite amount of time before his soul was obliterated and turned to dust.
Yet we get cultists on the planet which houses Alpha-Plus psykers and hates Chaos.
Chaos didn't consume the galaxy before him because Slaanesh hadn't come into existence and the Chaos Gods weren't in frenzy mode. As for afterwards, the warp storms generated by the Emperor's death probably delayed the Chaos Gods' plans a bit and would've consumed the galaxy, had the Abomination not shown up pretty soon after.
That's no less of a feat. Keeping a Chaos God more powerful than Slaanesh under wraps in any imaginable fashion for more than ten thousand years could not in any conceivable way be done by anything less than a god-equivalent. Also, the Star Father is a Warp god - not physically-incarnate like the Emperor was - and so the Emperor didn't have any "Materium leverage" to help him out.
Oddly enough Durin basically remarking that Emps wasn't that strong also means that Chaos wasn't really that strong as well. They certainly aren't a galaxy ending threat, just an external one to humanity. Hell, they really aren't much of a threat in the grand scheme of things. Remember everyone, Nids and Necrons are more dangerous than anything else in this galaxy, Orks as well if Ork Ragnorak is still in effective.
Of course if you take what the Cabal says as true, Humanity was worth killing off to prevent Chaos from winning. But for some reason they never thought of the Nids or Necrons, so I don't really count them as being all that wise or aware of the threats to the galaxy.
Of course if you take what the Cabal says as true, Humanity was worth killing off to prevent Chaos from winning. But for some reason they never thought of the Nids or Necrons, so I don't really count them as being all that wise or aware of the threats to the galaxy.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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Dude, the GM has spoken. Quit being an ass.
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not really any motivation at the moment
1. It is clashing with Nurgle over stagnation and Khorne over hatred but it has not stolen any domains, yet
2. It and Tzeench have become bitter rivals
3. No but is is ending
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1. It is still not the equivalent of what the Chaos Gods can do
2. Yes you do, there were also cultists among the Emperors children and on Terra. Cultists are a fact of life among those who meddle with the Warp
3. Warp Storms would not stop chaos from consuming the galaxy, I am not saying that it can not given time I am saying that there were many factors holding Chaos at bay of which the Emperor was only one and not even the largest (which is the fact that the Chaos Gods have trouble cooperating)
4. The Abomination was slowing growing in power, at the start it was little more then a minor deamon and it only reached divine power levels during the Age of Apostasy, also keeping it asleep is more a factor of skill then power, his biggest leverage was the fact that the Star Father was still coming into existence
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Chaos is still a galactic threat it just was not held back purely by the Emperor, Orks, Necron artifacts,the Eldar and its very nature are also keeping it at bay
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Didn't it already grab stagnation?
Gork and Mork were actively fighting the Chaos Gods all this time? How come the Imperium never knew about this? What did the Eldar do to hold back Chaos? Last I checked they had to do some pretty intense stuff just to stave off Slaanesh from eating them.
1. What would happen to Khorne if he lost his central concept?
2. Aren't Nurgle and the Abomination's stagnation concepts kinda different? One is about decaying into nothing while the other is about simply not moving.
3. Similarly, aren't Khorne and the Abomination's hatred concepts different in their flavour? One is more "righteous zeal" and the other is "rip and tear". I've always thought that's the reason why the Sisters of Battle haven't all become Khornates.
4. If the Sisters of Battle are now all Abomination slaves because of their mindless hatred, how did they avoid becoming Khorne's minions before?
5. How well is the Ecclesiarchy doing at embodying the virtues of the New Imperial Truth?
6. What percentage of children on Avernus go to the Schola Progenium?
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So they are more likely going to get destroyed then. The Imperium was oddly enough protecting them due to the fact that they were keeping the Nids and Orks at bay. With a resurgent Necron and Eldar factions they are pretty much screwed. They won't be able to create a unite front in time to deal with most of these threats.
I mean for fucks sake, the Nids have the Shadow in the Warp and the Necrons have anti-warp weapons out the wazzoo. The mortal followers of Chaos aren't organized enough to counter this shit, not when they are likely wanting to control their petty fiefdoms of worlds. Especially when they want to gain the favor of their gods...by killing the champions of their gods rival.
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They've created a united front already and are using it to beat back the Abomination.
That is the Abomination, which their Gods want to deal with since it's trying to stir shit up in the warp. They aren't going to have as much luck against the other xeno factions.
That power didn't go to the Emps, but to the Starfather.
When his rebirth comes around I expect him to still not be as ppwerful as any of the Chaos Gods.
Did it? Man that is some bullshit.
What exactly do you think nourished the Abomination to its birth?
The worship dogma the Ecclesiarchy was preaching sure didn't sound like it characterized the Emperor.
So either the Emps would have been changed into the Abomination by all that worship or something else would have eaten it up to become the Abomination.
But you'd think the prayers to the God-Emperor that were based around "Please God-Emperor give me the strength to protect my family" or "Please God-Emperor, do not let me fail my comrades in their hour of need" or "God-Emperor please let my world survive through these dark times". Legit prayers from people that were asking for the person that cared most about humanity and he didn't get them because the Starfather got them.
All those prayers and calls for courage, strength, and hope went to the Abomination? That doesn't make sense and that is ultimately following grimderp logic.
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But it does make sense. The Emperor wasn't a god, he was a man. For all we know the prayers sent his way - if they even reached him - did absolutely nothing because humans aren't gods.
While he wasn't a god, Emps was not simply a man. You are not considered just a man when you are the reincarnation of tens of thousands of Shamans and becoming a creature that can do some of the craziest shit in a setting full of crazy shit.
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0. Currently both Nurgle and the Abomination have stagnation
0.1 Gork and Mork fight everyone, or to be more seroies Orks are good at getting in the way of Chaos plots and invasions. The Eldar are activly fighint =g Chaos, often in ways that are not obvious due to heavy use of precog
1. He would become a minr god
2. They are slightly different but have enough in common to have some clashes
3. Same
4. Because faith provides protection from the lure of the four old Chaos Gods, and is a weakness against the Abomination
5. Moderately well
6. Well under 1%, closer to 0.01%
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the power of the worship of the Emperor over the last 10,000+ years will be split between the Abomination and the Emperor, with the Abomination getting the more then half
THANK YOU, that is fine and I can accept that. That is more in line with the dangers associated with the growing dangers of absolute servitude and obedience the Imperium developed over the next 10,000 years. That makes a lot more god damn sense.