The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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It's a process supposed to take tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.
Did some calculations to determine when this will happen for non-Avernites, but it's built on bad math (calculations for how long it'll take for Avernite humans to become fully psychic) so take it with multiple grains of salt.
175/3.8=46
Avernus has 46 times for Gammas/Deltas than it should, so let's take that as the rate of evolution compared to normal.
46*6500=299000
Outside of Avernus, it'll take humanity 299,000 years to evolve into a fully psychic race.

We still need to wait for him to reappear and until then we need to do something about the current situation taking place with all the psykers that are starting to appear and trying to tame the fucking world we live on. Like I said this is also more interesting to see play out and while I am the biggest Imperial fanboy we need to adapt or die.

The planetmind might be able to offer something in the long run that can ensure we survive long enough for Emps to come and make a decision about what to do. Besides no one is going to be worshiping the planet right off the bat, it'd take at least a thousand years for that to gain traction. I'm suggesting we contact it and get an idea of what it wants.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of trying to survive long enough for us to see the Emps come back and if things keep getting out of control before that happens we need to look at our options that doesn't involve Chaos or external Alien influences.
We're surviving just fine on Avernus. We have a population of 3.8 billion that continues to grow every year. Worshipping the planet might be more convenient but it's unnecessary and still a betrayal of the Emperor's dream. At most we should negotiate a cease-fire when the planet comes under attack by Chaos or tyranids or something else the planet hates more than us, but in no way should we worship it. It's better to evacuate everyone to live on Fjol IV than to worship something that isn't the Emperor.
 
We're surviving just fine on Avernus. We have a population of 3.8 billion that continues to grow every year.
Ignoring what happened with the giant sea monster attack on The Fair Isle...sure.

Worshipping the planet might be more convenient but it's unnecessary and still a betrayal of the Emperor's dream. At most we should negotiate a cease-fire when the planet comes under attack by Chaos or tyranids or something else the planet hates more than us, but in no way should we worship it. It's better to evacuate everyone to live on Fjol IV than to worship something that isn't the Emperor.
That is what I've been suggesting, talking to the Hivemind and getting an idea of what is going on. No one is going to worship that thing right at the start but it will likely occur down the line regardless of what we do. I'm not suggesting at all that we throw out worship of the God-Emperor, but we have to face facts that people are going to start wondering what to do about the god-level mind and how the layman is going to view it and his position with it.

I am trying to assess what ever variables come our way and coming up with ways that they could be beneficial to us. Just ignoring them or outright ignoring an unknown is a bad idea.
 
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Ignoring what happened with the giant sea monster attack...sure..

Most planets have pollen/allergy season. Avernus has has Godzilla/Cthulhu expies waking up and wanting snacks. Random Regional Cataclysms are part of living here.

yes ad another option to build a new one
We should probably give the Minor Psykers their own city. There's enough of them to warrant it.
 
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Most planets have pollen/allergy season. Avernus has has Godzilla/Cthulhu expies waking up and wanting snacks. Random Regional Cataclysms are part of living here.
I get the joke about "Lol, living on Avernus is crazy" but that is NOT respecting the danger at all.

Also those are two radically different things to compare...
 
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Stability, training, and power are a continuum not an on off switch. And you are severely underestimating the effectiveness of actually having foreknowledge of who to watch with a team of stable psykers.

Ok, let me be clear on this - a totally untrained Gamma level psyker managed to summon enough angyls to kill a 1.5 million people not too long ago. The risk that an unstable psyker presents goes up exponentially as they mature, and them being trained but still unstable makes it even more so. All it takes is an instant for them to lose control or gain some power from Chaos and then the shit hits the fan, and in the process they might potentially corrupt/cause the daemonic possession of the other psykers who are also in the city who aren't sufficiently trained yet leading to a catastrophic shitstorm of epic proportions.

I very seriously doubt that the age 24 cutoff for passing or failing wasn't something that was pulled out of a hat at random. If we can greatly decrease the risk of control loss or corruption through our research, then changing that might be in the cards, but currently it really isn't on option because the risks of doing so are too high.

Also, you have to remember that the people who are actually qualified to watch over the psykers in training are greatly outnumbered by them - well over two to one. That makes guarding them sufficiently extremely difficult.

I didn't advocate for self study, reread what I said

You said 'But between heroes and self study I think there is room for some high quality teachers.' - I'm not sure what else that is supposed to mean if not saying there should be self study.

Which is why it completely and utterly baffles me why you insist on arguing that there is nothing we could do to improve the training programs while at the same time agreeing with me about one of the possible paths to improving the training program

I never said the training programs couldn't be improved - I outright stated the frequency research would likely provide a boon earlier in this conversation. What I'm trying to do is correct certain misunderstandings you seem to have about why things are the way they are with the program as is. The worst one you have is that we can simply extend the time until the trials commence, which as I explained above is extremely dangerous.

I think it is more a matter of priorities. Generally speaking their job used to be to receive psykers from a very large region of space, train them to a certain level of competence, and then send them out to fight the enemies of mankind.
I am suggesting the equivalent of

but for psyker training. Now that we are not shipping them in bulk to fight but instead keeping them in the college, can we refine the training methods to adjust for the significant increase in availability of teachers.

The trained, proven stable psykers no doubt continue their training already. I don't see why they wouldn't, and Ridcully shows that at least some did in the Imperium anyways. We are seeing many get promoted, after all. But as durin mentioned, the Sanctionites already have to spend most of their focus on teaching the new people.
 
Okay for next turn:

Martial: 1 locked 2 years, 2 locked 1 year
Void: 1 locked 2 years, 1 locked 3 years, 1 locked 4 years
Admin: 1 locked 1 year, 1 locked 2 years, 1 locked 3 years
Diplo: 2 free
Arbites: 1 free, 1 locked 3 years
Mechanicus: 1 general free, 1 Tranth free, 1 bioligis locked 1 year, 1 fabricator locked 2 years
Piety: 1 free, 1 locked 1 year
Telepathica: 1 free, 1 locked 2 years
Personal: 4 free

So next year the telpathica action needs to go into one of the two city expansion options as there is only room for 8k more psykers and we find 3k+ minors a year. Also the last expansion took 4 years so we can't afford to wait on it. Fortunately we should be able to expedite as I don't think we will have any competing action for expediting. Mechanicus would be both actions to reverse engineer the tech needed to repair the ships we examined. Arbites is likely tutoring Syr again. Personal would be 1 spend time with family, 1 tutor syr and 2 personal actions that take either two or three years depending on when we are going to the academy. If it is three educational reform from admin and maybe something under martial for the other. Or new options that pop up that would only take three years. That leaves diplo and piety and that sort of depends on what options we have along with any new ones that pop up. At least one diplo is likely to go into further contact with the trolls.
 
This is fine, but not if it makes Avernus-worship something sponsored by the government.
Fair enough. I don't think anyone alive right now for the next 400 years is going to do anything like it...especially if Lin is effectively immortal and lives beyond that.

I think Durin commented about that before...not sure where.
 
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Fair enough. I don't think anyone alive right now for the next 400 years is going to do anything like it...especially if Lin is effectively immortal.

I think Durin commented about that before...not sure where.
Lin is the opposite of effectively immortal. Living Saints have decreased lifespan compared to regular humans. Humans just aren't capable of holding the Emperor's power within themselves for a long time; it's like holding plasma in a clay pot. This is why Saint Lin has the body of a 40-year old man despite only being 92.
 
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Lin is the opposite of effectively immortal. Living Saints have decreased lifespan compared to regular humans. Humans just aren't capable of holding the Emperor's power within themselves for a long time; it's like holding plasma in a clay pot. This is why Saint Lin has the body of a 40-year old man despite only being 92.

It can be more complicated than that. One of the Sister's special characters, Saint Celestine, is defined by the fact that she never stays dead. Admittedly she never stays around for long, with many comparing her to an Emperor created Daemon, but there is potential. ESPECIALLY if the Emperor was going all out with his remaining power and focus.
 
"A few psykers and Sorcerers have mastered their art well enough to utilise the Warp's revitalizing effect on their own bodies and thereby take control over the aging process. The greatest master of this ability is the Emperor, who kept himself alive for more than 40,000 Terran years before he was interred within the Golden Throne. He could even extend this power to preserve valued servants, such as Malcador the Sigillite, and this gift is still evident in many of the Living Saints of the Adepta Sororitas."

Under life extensions in 40k. It honestly makes sense for the God-Emperor to extend a life vitality towards the people that are supposed to help herald your coming back.
 
Ok, let me be clear on this - a totally untrained Gamma level psyker managed to summon enough angyls to kill a 1.5 million people not too long ago.
You are assuming that this was a child with absolutely zero training who just awakened his power
It could have been an adult who has been hiding his ability until that moment and has had many years of practice before finally fucking up
@durin how old was the gamma level in question?

Also, you are completely ignoring the part where he was curb stomped by xavier who then closed the portal. Banishing demons and closing portals is a thing that psykers can do, as well as preventing portals from opening in the first place.
Being under close observation of superior psykers in the academy enables them to shut down any shenanigans. Not to mention that there are actual psyker inhibitors which can be further limit risk of accidents when not in official training under strict teacher observation.

The notion that psykers who haven't yet reached a certain mandated level of mastery become too dangerous to train anymore at 24 because they are now too powerful flies in the face of the fact that psykers have different power levels. And yes I know our boss psyker is punching above his weight class, that isn't through raw power, it is through skill and many many years of experience.

You said 'But between heroes and self study I think there is room for some high quality teachers.' - I'm not sure what else that is supposed to mean if not saying there should be self study.
It means that I am explaining to you that the quality of teachers are a continuum, at one extreme there is "taught by a hero" at the other extreme there is "self study" and in between there is an infinite amount of tiny steps. That your argument that there is no possible way for there to be a level between our current teaching quality and hero teaching quality doesn't make sense because teacher quality is a contiuum.

I never said the training programs couldn't be improved - I outright stated the frequency research would likely provide a boon earlier in this conversation. What I'm trying to do is correct certain misunderstandings you seem to have about why things are the way they are with the program as is. The worst one you have is that we can simply extend the time until the trials commence, which as I explained above is extremely dangerous.
The extension idea had a bunch of caveats, specifically that the person is growing their control at a steady pace and that they get increased external security.

The trained, proven stable psykers no doubt continue their training already. I don't see why they wouldn't, and Ridcully shows that at least some did in the Imperium anyways. We are seeing many get promoted, after all. But as durin mentioned, the Sanctionites already have to spend most of their focus on teaching the new people.
This has nothing to do with what you quoted and were replying to. I didn't say they don't train after they pass the testing, I said that the testing was designed to churn out soldiers who are immediately sent to the front and as such the breakoff age was likely a result of the necessities of the eternal war rather than a necessity of the training itself.
 
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Alright, not an adult.
... actually @durin does psyker power in this quest works like he said, in that psykers start off very weak and their powers grow with their bodies as they mature into adulthood?
I googled and I can't find any mention of that being a thing. And from your descriptions it doesn't really sound like that is a thing in this quest
 
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Also, you are completely ignoring the part where he was curb stomped by xavier who then closed the portal. Banishing demons and closing portals is a thing that psykers can do, as well as preventing portals from opening in the first place.
Being under close observation of superior psykers in the academy enables them to shut down any shenanigans. Not to mention that there are actual psyker inhibitors which can be further limit risk of accidents when not in official training under strict teacher observation.

The notion that psykers who haven't yet reached a certain mandated level of mastery become too dangerous to train anymore at 24 because they are now too powerful flies in the face of the fact that psykers have different power levels. And yes I know our boss psyker is punching above his weight class, that isn't through raw power, it is through skill and many many years of experience.

Ok, easy way to solve this - @durin, what is the likely result of keeping around psykers who have failed their trials in order to train them more to give them another chance later?
 
Ok, easy way to solve this - @durin, what is the likely result of keeping around psykers who have failed their trials in order to train them more to give them another chance later?
Not failed their trials, but rather psykers who are deemed not ready for their trials in time who are growing their control at a steady rate and should be able to pass the trials if they get a couple few extra years of training before being given the trials. With extra supervision added to those given such time extensions, and also not applying this universally but rather based on their psyker rating. Aka, spend more time training gammas than deltas, and bettas than gammas
 
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