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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

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Something to note: it's theoretically possible for us to wipe our debt without actually selling a single ship due to the price hike in metal:

Sell 50 cargo of Metal (1,562,500,000 per year) (+1562.5 credits)
Sell 1,324,350,000 of thrones per year (+607.5 credits)

Total is 2170 credits.

And is sustainable; our net income is higher than the cost for both things, if only barely.
But we still have gigantic reserves for projects in both for any projects we might want to do, we;d just have to budget carefully.
 
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Superticus said:
Something to note: it's theoretically possible for us to wipe our debt without actually selling a single ship due to the price hike in metal:

Sell 50 cargo of Metal (1,562,500,000 per year) (+1562.5 credits)
Sell 1,324,350,000 of thrones per year (+607.5 credits)

Total is 2170 credits.

And is sustainable; our net income is higher than the cost for both things, if only barely.
But we still have gigantic reserves for projects in both for any projects we might want to do, we;d just have to budget carefully.
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However, that means buying no EM, Adv Material, or Material from them.
 
Alex pears said:
@durin some questions
  1. The Vanquishers as they are original examples did we find any upgrades to the standard chasis of the Leman russ, cause surly that must have been better in that time as well
  2. If the vanquishers can switch between normal leman russ rounds and the vanquishers will there be an option to replace all Leman russ's with them?
  3. Did the Leamen russ include an Auto lancher or a better/more efficient engine
  4. How strong are Impalers rifles compared to the bolter
  5. The praetorians we got, do we have the tech to replace them, cause Skitari are one thing Praetorians are another
  6. Do the intact examples of each ship we have increase our chance of reverse engineering them and repairing them
  7. Are teleporters a possibility :D
  8. Can we send expeditions into the hives of Midgard, cause there are usually archeoteche and even STC's there and Midguard is from the DAoT
  9. Can we get Ceramantium as Callamus started its proliferation or was the armor of the Well of Urd made of it?
Sorry if any of these have already been asked :D
edit loader not launcher that would be dumb :D
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1. No
2. No, the other variants of the Leman Russ are still useful
3. no
4. Already answered they ae S:5 AP:4 compared to S:4 AP:5
5. Yes you do
6. Yes they do
7. You may find some but even if you do reverse engineering them will be hard
8. Aelfric is looking but has had no success
9. No
 
Enjou said:
Actually, I'll note I fudged the math here - unless they use them to buy metal from us at the 2 Cr per 0.064 cargo, we'd still be in 256.5 Cr of debt. @durin still hasn't answered my question on whether they'd be willing to do this or not. If they are I'd be happy to go ahead and do it. Doing so would put us 56 credits ahead and put them slightly in debt to us (though I'd be willing to forgo this to go ahead and sell them to them now and use them to buy metal from us).

We'd have to sell a good deal more than 10 more if they aren't, and we don't know if Vanaheim will come out of the Warp Storm soon or not. Keep in mind how long Niflheim has been stuck.
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Could we make up the difference in Thrones? Or perhaps increase the ratio of Promethium slightly?
 
Elder Haman said:
But since we ahve to send 1 merchantman to them anyway to deliver the Knights we might as well take 1 cargo load of metal.



I'm pretty sure that a cargo of 0 space requires a minimum of 1 merchantman to deliver.

@durin is that correct? Can we ship 100 Knights to Asgard for example, without dedicating a merchantman to the route?
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yes
 
Elder Haman said:
Could we make up the difference in Thrones? Or perhaps increase the ratio of Promethium slightly?
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I'm not going to fudge around with the Promethium math, but to make up the difference in thrones would require us to send them an additional 559 million Thrones a year on top of the 436 million we'd already be sending... so technically yes, but not without getting pretty close to getting into a yearly deficit due to our project spending.
 
@durin - could you please answer this question so I can know whether or not I should adjust my plan?

Enjou said:
Actually though, @durin - could we sell an additional 10 Merchantmen to Svartalfheim with this plan, but have them use them as part of the trade deal above? (basically, they come to own them, but they use them to buy metal from us as agreed upon here)
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Enjou said:
@durin still hasn't answered my question on whether they'd be willing to do this or not. If they are I'd be happy to go ahead and do it. Doing so would put us 56 credits ahead and put them slightly in debt to us (though I'd be willing to forgo this to go ahead and sell them to them now and use them to buy metal from us).
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Thanks.
 
Wait were in debt? Since when?

I'm so lost since I thought we had like 50 million thrones or something.

EDIT: Someone tell me what the plans are please? Apparently i'm late to the party again :(
 
3man75 said:
Wait were in debt? Since when?

I'm so lost since I thought we had like 50 million thrones or something.

EDIT: Someone tell me what the plans are please? Apparently i'm late to the party again :(
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Basically in order to support our high tech we bought a &*&^ ton of AM and EM from Stavelhime, putting us about 2000 in debt. As for Vaven we bought some ships and we got their workers to help us repair our orbital industry
 
3man75 said:
Wait were in debt? Since when?

I'm so lost since I thought we had like 50 million thrones or something.

EDIT: Someone tell me what the plans are please? Apparently i'm late to the party again :(
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Enjou and voidstalker put forward a plan.

Void said:
[X] Void's Trade Plan
Asgard-0 merchants
Knight Titan 1 per year x 5 (maybe gift these)

Alfheim- 0 merchants
Buy 10 EM per year x 5 -2 CR

Sell Training (15 Regiments)- 2 CR

Jotunheim-0 merchants
Buy 1000 AM per year x 10-5 CR

Sell 920k Thrones per year x 5- 5 CR

Svartalfheim-20 merchant
Owe 2,170 CR
Buy 10 EM per year x 100-60 Credit
1000 AM per year x200- 100 Credit
1 mil Mat per year x 300- 750 Credit
Total owed 3,080 credit

Sell-Metal 1 mil per yr x 312- 624 credit
Merchantmen x 20 - 1312 credit
1936 Cr in sale
Owed 1,144
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Enjou said:
Asgard (0 Cargo, Debt to Avernus increased to 1,511)
BUY
N/A

SELL
100 Knight Titans - 1,300 Cr, N/A Cargo

Alfheim (0 Cargo)
SELL
Training - 2 Cr, N/A Cargo

BUY
50 Exotic Material per year - 2 Cr, N/A Cargo

Jotunheim (0 Cargo)
SELL
4,600,000 Thrones - 5 Cr, 0 Cargo0

BUY
10,000 Advanced Material per year - 5 Cr, 0 Cargo

Svartalfheim (49.785 Cargo, 600 Cr remaining owed to Svartalfheim)
SELL - 2480 Cr
702,890,000 Metal per year - 1405.78 Cr, 44.985 Cargo
75,000,000 Promethium per year - 217.5, 4.8 Cargo
436,159,600 Thrones per year - 200.72 Cr, 0 Cargo
10 Merchantmen (from next decade's production) - 656 Cr, 0 Cargo

BUY - 910 Cr
300,000,000 Material per year - 750 Cr, 19.2 Cargo
200,000 Advanced Material per year - 100 Cr
1,000 Exotic Material per year - 60 Cr

Muspelheim (0.215 Cargo)
SELL
5,000,000 Promethium per year - 14 Cr, 0.215 Cargo
52,500,000 Thrones per year - 50 Cr, 0 Cargo

BUY
32 Cr with Vanaheim - 64 Cr, 0 Cargo
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Abstaiing due to not knowing enough now...

Maybe we can give the creditors an IOU for thrones or something?
 
durin said:
Yes you can
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Wonderful. Plan adjusted, and now we're out of debt and Svartalfheim will be the proud owners of 20 more Merchantmen, 10 now and 10 in the next few years.


3man75 said:
Maybe we can give the creditors an IOU for thrones or something?
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Trade credit debt can be used for multiple things - pretty much any trade good or service. They can also potentially be forgiven for political favors.
 
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@Andres110 - Power Armor is not the sum total of all armor in the 40k universe. Heavy Bolters ignore quite a bit more than Lasguns do. They also do more damage when they do hit.
 
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Superticus said:
Looking at the datasheet, is there a reason that the row labelled productivity bonus takes away resources?
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This is explained in the notes section:
"Each point of Production Capacity can be used to spend 2 Thrones to turn 1 Metal Into 1 Material (the default) or to turn 1 Metal into 10 Thrones or can be used to turn 1 Material into 1 Metal for 1 Throne"
 
Enjou said:
This is explained in the notes section:
"Each point of Production Capacity can be used to spend 2 Thrones to turn 1 Metal Into 1 Material (the default) or to turn 1 Metal into 10 Thrones or can be used to turn 1 Material into 1 Metal for 1 Throne"
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That is production capacity (the far right column), not productivity bonus. I am looking at the tenth row.

I think it is stuff like our active sermons (that we haven't changed in a while).
 
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