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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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[X] Plan Enjou
I think we won't be entirely out of debt using this plan, but reducing it by stages, correct? I'm tired and didn't read through the entire maths of the trade, my appologies. Still, we seem to be setting up to make Avernus the armory of the Imperial Trust at this rate, which is fine by me. ^^ We want to be too tough a nut to crack by the time the warpstorms around the subsector finally subside, and this is a good step in that direction.
I think we won't be entirely out of debt using this plan, but reducing it by stages, correct? I'm tired and didn't read through the entire maths of the trade, my appologies. Still, we seem to be setting up to make Avernus the armory of the Imperial Trust at this rate, which is fine by me. ^^ We want to be too tough a nut to crack by the time the warpstorms around the subsector finally subside, and this is a good step in that direction.
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@durin some questions
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- The Vanquishers as they are original examples did we find any upgrades to the standard chasis of the Leman russ, cause surly that must have been better in that time as well
- If the vanquishers can switch between normal leman russ rounds and the vanquishers will there be an option to replace all Leman russ's with them?
- Did the Leamen russ include an Auto lancher or a better/more efficient engine
- How strong are Impalers rifles compared to the bolter
- The praetorians we got, do we have the tech to replace them, cause Skitari are one thing Praetorians are another
- Do the intact examples of each ship we have increase our chance of reverse engineering them and repairing them
- Are teleporters a possibility
- Can we send expeditions into the hives of Midgard, cause there are usually archeoteche and even STC's there and Midguard is from the DAoT
- Can we get Ceramantium as Callamus started its proliferation or was the armor of the Well of Urd made of it?
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@durin some questions
Sorry if any of these have already been asked
- The Vanquishers as they are original examples did we find any upgrades to the standard chasis of the Leman russ, cause surly that must have been better in that time as well
- If the vanquishers can switch between normal leman russ rounds and the vanquishers will there be an option to replace all Leman russ's with them?
- Did the Leamen russ include an Auto lancher or a better/more efficient engine
- How strong are Impalers rifles compared to the bolter
- The praetorians we got, do we have the tech to replace them, cause Skitari are one thing Praetorians are another
- Do the intact examples of each ship we have increase our chance of reverse engineering them and repairing them
- Are teleporters a possibility
- Can we send expeditions into the hives of Midgard, cause there are usually archeoteche and even STC's there and Midguard is from the DAoT
- Can we get Ceramantium as Callamus started its proliferation or was the armor of the Well of Urd made of it?
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1. dunno
2. dunno
3. dunno
4. Comparable
5. Dunno
6. dunno
7. dunno
8. stuck in warpstorm, call again later or leave a message.
9. Per Durin, way, way, way too far away. Like a couple decades trip one way, and we have no idea what that portion of the galaxy is like.
[X] Plan Enjou
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The first was for after they emerged from the warp storm, after all we can't sail through the storm I know that
The second was that Callamus had been doing their ready best to proliferate the stuff as soon as they found a method of mass producing it and using it on ship hulls, given that it was in the 42 millennium and we are know in what the 43 or 44 either or at least 1000 years, and Callamus's mass production abilities getting it form one side of the Imperium to another is not out of the realm of possibility.
@durin some questions
Sorry if any of these have already been asked
- The Vanquishers as they are original examples did we find any upgrades to the standard chasis of the Leman russ, cause surly that must have been better in that time as well
- If the vanquishers can switch between normal leman russ rounds and the vanquishers will there be an option to replace all Leman russ's with them?
- Did the Leamen russ include an Auto lancher or a better/more efficient engine
- How strong are Impalers rifles compared to the bolter
- The praetorians we got, do we have the tech to replace them, cause Skitari are one thing Praetorians are another
- Do the intact examples of each ship we have increase our chance of reverse engineering them and repairing them
- Are teleporters a possibility
- Can we send expeditions into the hives of Midgard, cause there are usually archeoteche and even STC's there and Midguard is from the DAoT
- Can we get Ceramantium as Callamus started its proliferation or was the armor of the Well of Urd made of it?
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I can probably give some answers or thoughts on these...
1 and 3 - nothing was indicated about the Leman Russ tanks we found the Vanquishers on being superior to the Leman Russ chassis we already have, so probably not. (honestly I'm surprised we found Leman Russ tanks at all since they were supposedly developed during the Great Crusade, but I suppose someone must have found an STC or some archeotech ones and the info for finding that was lost)
2. It would technically be possible but would be incredibly expensive. Look at the cost for changing out 20% of the Leman Russ tanks for the Helltroopers and 50% for the Helguard.
3. The Impaler comparisons have already been given, and were noted in their discovery.
The 40k tabletop stats would be these:
Impaler Carbine - Range: 24 S: 4 AP: 4 Rapid Fire
Impaler Rifle - Range: 24 S: 5 AP: 4 Assault 2
Heavy Impaler - Range: 36 S: 6 AP: 3 Heavy 4
Impaler Pistol - Range: 12 S: 4 AP: 4 Assault 2, Pistol
Heavy Impaler Pistol - Range: 12 S: 5 AP: 3 Assault 1, Pistol
Gatling Impaler- Range: 30 S: 7 AP: 3 Heavy 6, Rending
Heavy Gatling Impaler - Range: 36 S: 8 AP: 3 Heavy 12, Rending
Impaler Sniper - Range: 48 S: 6 AP: 2 Heavy 1, Sniper
Bolters have these stats:
Boltgun - Range: 24 S: 4 AP: 5 Class: Rapid Fire
Storm Bolter - Range: 24 S: 4 AP: 5 Class: Assault 2
Combi-Bolter - Range: 24 S: 4 AP: 5 Class: Rapid Fire, Twin-Linked
Heavy Bolter - Range: 36 S: 5 AP: 4 Class: Heavy 3
Vulcan Mega Bolter* - Range: 60 S: 6 AP: 3 Type: Heavy 15
*This is a Titan weapon for Warhounds and Reavers
5. The Myrmidons? Unknown, but we have all unrestricted technology that Atlas had.
6. The more intact the tech is, the better our chance of reverse engineering it. The more advanced it is, the lower the chance of reverse engineering it. The more examples we have, the more chances we have to reverse engineer it.
7. IIRC yes, but probably a low chance of finding an STC for them. We have one working teleporter right now in the Velvet Glove, and there's no way the Inquisition will risk losing it. It might be possible some of the ships in the graveyard have them, but they'll be extremely difficult to reverse engineer I think.
8. No idea, but those hives haven't all been there since the DAoT (lots of wars and stuff, some would be new, etc) so the chances of finding a lot of archeotech is pretty low. Honestly it would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
9. They are way too far away, and you shouldn't presume that whatever happened with Callamus in whatever other fiction they were from will happen in this universe. Think of them as an expy, not a full import.
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This ain't WHF
Technically warp-science exists, seals patterns and such... but it is generally the domain of Sorcerers so not something we want to mess with.
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Sure, I'll add that. It's not really much Thrones at all, so it's worth it.
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@durin, some questions:
1) If we get Vanaheim's shipwrights to attend the post cognition learning project, will the chance for a success on the ancient ship construction technique study be improved?
2) Did Frederick visit his fiefdom on Asgard? This is his first time visiting Asgard, IIRC.
1) If we get Vanaheim's shipwrights to attend the post cognition learning project, will the chance for a success on the ancient ship construction technique study be improved?
2) Did Frederick visit his fiefdom on Asgard? This is his first time visiting Asgard, IIRC.
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Why? If its advanced enough then yes, but unless we get a hold of something like 20 broken teleporters then no need. Other than that STC reconstructing and reverse engineering as normal.
But since we ahve to send 1 merchantman to them anyway to deliver the Knights we might as well take 1 cargo load of metal.
I'm pretty sure that a cargo of 0 space requires a minimum of 1 merchantman to deliver.
@durin is that correct? Can we ship 100 Knights to Asgard for example, without dedicating a merchantman to the route?
No, we don't. Remember how that rule changed last time? Anything that takes 0 Cargo is sent by another route (like we ship the Knights to Svartalfheim, Svartalfheim ships the Knights alongside any they built to Asgard, or something like that).
Oh gotcha. Still remembering the old rule.
Now that I've had time to look over the numbers, I think we ought to do this. This is the main reason we built those merchantmen anyway.
Let's get out of debt completely, and then when Vanaheim and our 5 UMC ships become available we can use them to ship a ton of metal to Vanaheim.
I think paying our debt back so promptly will probably have trickle down effects of encouraging loaning credits to us in the future, and we don't really gain that much by holding on to the merchantmen do we?
Not with 5 Universal mass conveyors coming.
Plus we want all the various systems to have enough ships to meet their own needs. We are pursuing a policy that does not prioritize Avernite monopolies over the rest of the systems (silly to try to do so anyway when Vanaheim can just build ships for other systems.)
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Personally, I advise throwing the tabletop stats out the airlock if you want to compare the weapons. According to the tabletop, lasguns are just as good as heavy bolters for piercing armour.
The shields that the sirens use use very specific patterns to make them. I'm thinking we could copy those patterns down onto armour and charge them with Warp energy to safely make runed armour. We might not be Dwarves but we are Vikings and they used runes, so it might be possible.
If we did not have a Living Saint and potentially Grey Knights to help I would say that is as dangerous as going scuba-diving on Avernus. As is that might be something to pursue if we are feeling up to some steep risks.
Actually, I'll note I fudged the math here - unless they use them to buy metal from us at the 2 Cr per 0.064 cargo, we'd still be in 256.5 Cr of debt. @durin still hasn't answered my question on whether they'd be willing to do this or not. If they are I'd be happy to go ahead and do it. Doing so would put us 56 credits ahead and put them slightly in debt to us (though I'd be willing to forgo this to go ahead and sell them to them now and use them to buy metal from us).
We'd have to sell a good deal more than 10 more if they aren't, and we don't know if Vanaheim will come out of the Warp Storm soon or not. Keep in mind how long Niflheim has been stuck.
No, that is not what the tabletop stats say. Heavy Bolters have an AP of 4, so ignore armor of 4+. Lasguns have an AP of 6, so ignore armor of 6+.
He hasn't put forward a plan.