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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Andres110 said:
There are two things that Surt would think the Mechanicus would brand him Heretic Technis over: xenotech and AI. Innovation will be accepted due to a combination of Britton's teachings, Muspelheim's strong connection to the Dark Age, and the methods being tried and tested over multiple millennia. Hatred of xenotech and AI are core concepts of the Mechanicus faith and changing their minds about it is a lost cause (this is a good thing when it comes to AI, though).
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Hmm.... that might very well explain why Muspelheim could be pushing for the Quartoks. Maybe they have xenotech... dating from before the Dark Ages...

Andres110 said:
I could be wrong, but I think they already have lay priests. It's how they get their menials indoctrinated into the Cult Mechanicus.
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Yes, but I'm suggesting something broader, and giving those lay priests more authority and knowledge.
 
Andres110 said:
The Church reforms have only passed through as quickly as they did because there was a Living Saint leading the effort. The only equivalent the Adeptus Mechanicus has (Tranth) isn't good at politics and doesn't want to get into it. Also, slow change is what the reformation is trying to achieve in the first place, as opposed to quick change or no change.
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I suspect there are less clergy in the 9 worlds than there are Mechanicus members. Also, the Mechanicus seem to be a more self-contained culture, while the Ministorum members seem very much more mixed in with the general populations.

That's all going to contribute to the Ministorum being easier to reform.

Andres110 said:
Mechanicus morale is at 20/10. Not much point in getting more of it.
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Why would morale be the only reward we could get?

And don't you think it would make for some interesting stories, even in the absence of rewards?

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Andres110 said:
There are two things that Surt would think the Mechanicus would brand him Heretic Technis over: xenotech and AI. Innovation will be accepted due to a combination of Britton's teachings, Muspelheim's strong connection to the Dark Age, and the methods being tried and tested over multiple millennia. Hatred of xenotech and AI are core concepts of the Mechanicus faith and changing their minds about it is a lost cause (this is a good thing when it comes to AI, though).
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There are technologies other than AI and xenotech that are forbidden by the AdMech. Anima Mori, technology that seeks to overcome death (not by prolonging life, but doing such things as raise the dead back to life) are considered to be worse.
 
Hey durin, would taking the whispers of change help us accelerate the rate the Adeptus Mechanicus carries out its internal reforms?
 
fasquardon said:
Why would morale be the only reward we could get?

And don't you think it would make for some interesting stories, even in the absence of rewards?
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I guess you're right. I'm not sure what we'd get out of it besides morale, but such an omake would be an interesting read.

Enjou said:
There are technologies other than AI and xenotech that are forbidden by the AdMech. Anima Mori, technology that seeks to overcome death (not by prolonging life, but doing such things as raise the dead back to life) are considered to be worse.
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Huh, didn't know about Anima Mori. Would explain Surt's BS stats. Yeah, let's not touch the stuff that the Mechanicus thinks is worse than their equivalent of Satan.
 
Andres110 said:
Huh, didn't know about Anima Mori. Would explain Surt's BS stats. Yeah, let's not touch the stuff that the Mechanicus thinks is worse than their equivalent of Satan.
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Um... anima mori isn't the next stage of rejuvenats. It's literally technological necromancy. Usually using arcane warp based bullshit or zomby viruses.
 
Andres110 said:
There are two things that Surt would think the Mechanicus would brand him Heretic Technis over: xenotech and AI. Innovation will be accepted due to a combination of Britton's teachings, Muspelheim's strong connection to the Dark Age, and the methods being tried and tested over multiple millennia. Hatred of xenotech and AI are core concepts of the Mechanicus faith and changing their minds about it is a lost cause (this is a good thing when it comes to AI, though).
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I disagree, innovation will not necessarily be accepted if it is beyond what the 'Balance Approach' deems safe and not a sign of chaotic influence.
 
Beyogi said:
Seriously, our best hope is likely to wait for the warpstorm to end and to contact Callamus. That way our local Fabricator would have some serious political backing to enforce some changes.

Right now I just don't see it happen. Maybe Surt can use diplomacy on the ad-mech rank and file, but I wouldn't put my hopes on it. We're probably just going to have to wait until the ad-mech has become less conservative. Otherwise we should likely try to work around them and do basic research on the level of the imperial trust. We've got a highly educated populace, Muspelheim is hightech, Svartalfheim is high tech. Ultimately we might want to set up an alternative technology organisation to the ad-mech, or a higher authority that regulates both the ad-mech and other high-tech organisations.
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not possible, it would take decades for a ship to reach Callamus even if you were sure that it still existed and could make the trip safely
 
Andres110 said:
Why would the Castigator be any rarer than the Impaler? It's not like they include any individual piece of tech more than once in their STC constructors.
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Because a quick google search tells me that a Castigator is an 'original' titan. As in, every other DAOT titan was an attempt to replicate its shear awesome because the designer forgot to share the blueprints.
By contrast an Impaler is a weapon so easy to manufacture and arm mass armies that its replaced the Las, and easy is pretty much all the Las has going for it.

Basically its a case of shear numbers, there were perhaps a hundred Castigators in the galaxy. There were likely tens of thousands of Impalers on Avernus when the age of psykers or whatever began and the metaphorical hit the fan.
 
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Andres110 said:
Why would the Castigator be any rarer than the Impaler? It's not like they include any individual piece of tech more than once in their STC constructors.
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Impalers were invented on Avernus, so us finding Impaler STCs on Avernus isn't unusual, just as us finding other Avernus originals/improvements isn't unusual.

The Castigator was designed elsewhere as far as we know, and it's a rather advanced piece of equipment that wouldn't be built often. As such, finding a loose STC for it outside of a database for it would be rather unlikely, and we've already gone through the one database we're likely to find.
 
durin said:
yes, though a Castigior titan is near impossible and the Impaler has replaced the basic las weapon
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Near is not impossible, and I thought the Impaler was more expensive, not that I am complaining :D.

Other useful tech would include Micro grenades A la death watch, status weapons, nano machines, Stable plasma guns i.e. Phased plasma fusillades, original bane blade schematics, djyin skieve, mass producible personal shields personal teleporters based on the blink spiders, better power weapons and chain weapons, gene splicers, cause you know, helhime must have had those what with all the creatures they must have investigated, energy vambrace, grave dampeners, a rubric cube, sonic weaponry, water purification system, terraforming equipment, clock work birds from Rouge trader, lightning cannons.

Things I want not things I think we'll get :D
 
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