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I'd worry more about upstaging Johanna at her wedding to be honest. there's a reason why I was in favor of a sept marriage.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Imperious
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Well at least we can expect Viserys to get most of the blame this time since it was his idea. It's a bit much to expect of us to go against our father and king when we just met her.
Temes1066
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Yeah, but we don't have to worry about Johanna's daughters, as we will be King Viserys' eldest daughter.
Imperious
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Depends. If we don't end up having a brother then the closest male heir to the throne would be Daemon. I don't see him being above marrying a half sister of ours that's a third of his age in order for them to try to claim the throne together.
Temes1066
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Well I did note that Daemon would be a problem for us, but I doubt he would be able to do that while keeping Corlys on his side.
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Imperious
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Depends on whether Laena dies early like in canon or not. Obviously Corlys would be very upset if Daemon were to try to set Laena aside or tries to have multiple wives like he tried during the Dragonstone debacle, but he wouldn't have as much reason to mind if Daemon was a widower who remarried.
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As yes, "best friend" that's all that it is. Alicent, is totally straight as an arrow.Also some Alicent & Rhaenyra sketch, as a treat. I think they're cute. I don't really care who Rhaenyra ends up with as long as it's love; due to other fics I like Forrest Frey now but Laenor is fun to draw so being in a lavender marriage wouldn't be awful either
I love the fanart
Temes1066
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Okay, so the known court right now is:
King on the Iron Throne: Viserys I of the House Targaryen, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm
Queen on the Iron Throne: Johanna Westerling
Heir Apparent: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Princess of Dragonstone [known as Visenya Reborn]
Small Council
Hand of the King: Ser Otto Hightower
Master of Coin: Lyman Beesbury, Lord of Honeyholt
Master of Laws: Lyonel Strong, Lord of Harrenhal
Master of Ships: Ser Tyland Lannister, Heir to Casterly Rock
Grand Maester: Mellos
Advisor: Roland Westerling, Lord of the Crag
Lords Paramount
Lord of the North: Rickon Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North [Cregan's father]
Lord of the Mander: Matthos Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Defender of the Marches, High Marshall of the Reach and Warden of the South
Lord of the Stormlands: Boremund Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End
Lord of the Westerlands: Jason Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West
Lord of the Trident: Grover Tully, Lord of Riverrun
Lord of the Vale: Jeyne Arryn, Lady of the Eyrie and Warden of the East
Lord of the Iron Islands: [Dalton's father]
Kingsguard
Lord Commander Ser Harrold Westerling [Cousin to the Queen]
Ser Raylon Tarly [Princess Rhaenyra's Sworn Shield]
Ser Rickard Thorne
Ser Steffon Darklyn
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Ser
Ser
I could use some help filling out the missing spots. As these guys were known four Kingsguard from Viserys time (plus a potential carry over from Jaehaerys) but there are only 3 spots available.
Willis Fell
Lorent Marbrand
Erryk Cargyll
Arryk Cargyll
Clement Crabb
King on the Iron Throne: Viserys I of the House Targaryen, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm
Queen on the Iron Throne: Johanna Westerling
Heir Apparent: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Princess of Dragonstone [known as Visenya Reborn]
Small Council
Hand of the King: Ser Otto Hightower
Master of Coin: Lyman Beesbury, Lord of Honeyholt
Master of Laws: Lyonel Strong, Lord of Harrenhal
Master of Ships: Ser Tyland Lannister, Heir to Casterly Rock
Grand Maester: Mellos
Advisor: Roland Westerling, Lord of the Crag
Lords Paramount
Lord of the North: Rickon Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North [Cregan's father]
Lord of the Mander: Matthos Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Defender of the Marches, High Marshall of the Reach and Warden of the South
Lord of the Stormlands: Boremund Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End
Lord of the Westerlands: Jason Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West
Lord of the Trident: Grover Tully, Lord of Riverrun
Lord of the Vale: Jeyne Arryn, Lady of the Eyrie and Warden of the East
Lord of the Iron Islands: [Dalton's father]
Kingsguard
Lord Commander Ser Harrold Westerling [Cousin to the Queen]
Ser Raylon Tarly [Princess Rhaenyra's Sworn Shield]
Ser Rickard Thorne
Ser Steffon Darklyn
Ser
Ser
Ser
I could use some help filling out the missing spots. As these guys were known four Kingsguard from Viserys time (plus a potential carry over from Jaehaerys) but there are only 3 spots available.
Willis Fell
Lorent Marbrand
Erryk Cargyll
Arryk Cargyll
Clement Crabb
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I think its safe to say the current Lord of Riverrun is Grover Tully.
Temes1066
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Yeah, I got that I'm just having a problem with the Kingsguard, right now.
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The sexes of children are more actively determined by the father (XY) than the mother (XX), as such since the father is different the outcomes very reasonably can be different. So I personally expect we'll end up with a brother at some point, if for no other reason than its probably a more interesting story if we do maintain that conflict.
(As such I'd more expect that Jason Lannister would continue to mostly produce female children than Johanna)
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Ya know, I think Laenor will be too. Tomboy supremacy really can't be challenged.
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Yeah, Targaryens tend to be either very lithe or like, walls of meat (Meagor and Maekar). I'm going more towards the latter because I think it's narratively more interesting.
Right, and on that note, I saw some people bring up Borros Baratheon as an option, who, even if we do like him, isn't he cannonically overwhelmingly predisposed to have girls? Wasn't the the dude with 4-5? Granted, he had a son by the end who became Lord of Storm's End, but it bears thinking that unless the QM says otherwise, out of maybe 5 kids only 1 was a boy.
Unless Laenor is rolled by the QM to have been bi with a pretty exclusive type this entire time (which is possible, I suppose?), I'm guessing that at best Laenor wouldn't suffer as much if we go the "we're totally straight" Margery&Renly&Loras route.
And on that note, I believe wasn't Laenor in canon less... skilled in hiding that than Renly? Like it's-an-open-secret kind of way? If that's so it'll either seem even more suspicious if we aren't careful to hide any possible flirting with Alicent
OR on the other hand, the prejudice may work in our favor and people'll think Laenor went "looks male enough to me" at Rhaenyra
Hunk Rhaenyra is upon us, what a time to be alive.
She'll grow big and strong, like her grandfather
(also I'm just laughing now at imagining all the suitors who will have atempt to woo her for political purpose and the first thing they do is notice "she's taller than me!" lmao)
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Cue some lord who is into that.
He attempts to lay his charisma and it's just him requesting that we step on him.
Didnt QM say Rhaenyra kids would be up to RNG?
"Finally worthy bride. Our children will be legend! " (c)
But gender is determined by the father, not the mother.
It's Jason Lannister that historically runs towards daughters, while Viserys is roughly even.
Well, isn't show Laenor 12 right now? I thought the show made them twins? In book canon he's only two years older than Rhaenyra, but then book Rhaenyra would be 9 right now so...
So? We marry our eldest daughter to a son uniting the claims. We don't need a son to be our heir.
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Quest Rhaenyra needs a Tormund, almost as bad as house of dragons needs a Tormund. It's what's really missing from the show.
I mean, literally no one raised any real doubts about Margaery's claim that Renly wasn't able to consummate their marriage. He wasn't exactly a paragon of stealth himself.
I'm still pretty uninterested in a Laenor marriage, but if Rhaenyra has a couple kids that look like him (we are going with show appearances right?) I doubt it'll be a real issue.
I thought we were going with book appearances for the Velaryons and I just realized it now.
And yeah, for the marriage I think it's going to be like that one Tanya fic and our opinions may change greatly depending on the QM's characterization of the suitors.
While Harwin can be relied from the show to be a pretty good dude (if his sibling wanting to kill him is a bit of a detractor), I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised by a Sudden Dark Horse(tm)
Oh, I read quickly through the discussion so I might have missed it. If that's so then that's great; I thought the QM might use "historical evidence" so-to-speak but if it's RNG all the way down that makes things much simpler.
Honestly didn't think about the Heir stuff since I'm imagining that after this quest's all done Rhaenyra'll likely follow Dorne's example of primogeniture; was more worried on the sense of we needing dragons so, of course, our daughters will ride too but then having to worry to not marry too many dragon rider daughters into other families to avoid a situation like the current with the Velaryons. But then again, I imagine that our hopefully future siblings/brothers can uh... take one for the team and intermarry with their nieces to avoid such an scenario.
Oh, right. He is Laena's twin in this one, isn't he?
Reminds me that I'm not very clear either on when Laena gets Vhagar on the OG timeline.
Everyone focuses so much on the Velaryon book/show appearances that they forget that Alicent looks completely different in the books too—Hightowers are famous for their almost Valyrian white hair, like the Daynes!
The wiki for the show claims she got Vhagar sometime in 115, so we still have... 1-2 years?