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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Imperious said:
To be fair, it's Viserys' wedding to. If the point is to not come across as favoring the groom over the bride I'd figure the sept would be where to go.
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Not only that, but daddy hasn't asked for all that much in terms of how the wedding will be arranged. And if the disputants really wanted an impartial neutral, they'd have gone to someone besides us, who has an obligation as heir to look out for her house and a filial obligation to take the part of her elders therein. I wouldn't put it past the Westerlings to test just how accommodating/self-effacing we actually are, and quite frankly I'm in no mood to be.

Plus, Syrax time. Beeg fren good.

[x] Azel
 
If anything Viserys being the one to suggest the gardens has done us a favor, because instead of it coming across as us not wanting Johanna's marriage to be associated with the throne we could just come across as doing what our father wants. We might still take a relationship hit with Johanna for it, but if so it would probably be much less then if we had suggested that it not be in the throne room out of our own initiative.
 
Teen Spirit said:
You realize if you do this and your step mother catches on this would scream "Rhaenyra wants her half-siblings all weak and defenseless when she takes the throne"
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Okay, first of all, it's normal for Targaryens to present their younger siblings with an egg. I believe it was Rhaena who gave an egg to her younger brother Jaehearys, that hatched into Vermithor. So us presenting an egg to our younger sibling would be in line with tradition,a nd us recognizing them as legitimate royal Targaryens.

If we tried to argue our father into not allowing our half-siblings any dragon at all, that would be us trying to leave them defenseless and weak. Rather there has always been a tradition for the main line to bond the older and more powerful dragons, such as our own grandfather Baelon who had mounted Vhagar. Or Viserys himself who mounted Balerion. We've already seen the trouble caused by Laena bonding Vhagar, it's only natural for us to want to avoid issues like that in the future.

Having our younger brothers and sister riding younger dragons would still mean them having a dragon to protect them. At the very least it would mean they could flee any conflict with a bigger dragons (as younger dragons are almost always faster).

Now using blood magic to force hatchings is a bit too much I think, who knows what the side effects might be. But simply placing a dragon egg in their cradle would be traditional, generous, and a sign of our love and affection for them. It's up to chance if it hatches or not. If it doesn't we should still urge our siblings to bond dragons.

Additionally there is various prestige around which eggs are placed in a cradle. Being a Vhagar clutch egg would be pretty prestigous (and the implication is that the later clutches of larger dragons grow faster and tend to be bigger (ie Tessarion).

Imperious said:
Ormund might actually be a viable match for us. Right now he should still be his father's heir, and the ages are such that he's probably not too far from us in age.
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Ormund is an idiot though? I mean he repeatedly blundered in his leadership role as general of the Hightower army.

Imperious said:
In that regard Jason Lannister is an interesting idea. It would help salve any wound to his pride from being rejected by us and hey, Viserys just married Jason's canonical wife.
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Jason Lannister is a bit of a rake, he was famous for having several bastards with his favorite mistress. I think we ought to look at Tyland though, he was a pretty decent fellow.

Imperious said:
Jeyne Arryn hates Daemon, but canonically was still willing to support us due to a combination of our mother being an Arryn and us being fellow women rulers. Provided we can protect them with dragons like they wanted in canon, the Vale should be good for us. The North followed Rhaenyra due to their oaths. So did the Riverlands, though they were more fractious about it.
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We could also help her with her Mountain Clan problem, as Visenya Reborn it would be a martial action we could take part in. Or help her with her cousin continually trying to usurp her. Honestly, if we have a daughter, a betrothal to Joffery Arryn (Jeyne's preferred heir) would go a long way to helping her solve her inheritance issue.

Imperious said:
The Velaryons are more tricky. Rhaenyra was married to Corlys' heir, but it was widely believed that her children were from another man, which they were. Most likely the double betrothals of Jace and Luke to Baela and Rhaena were done in order to get the Velaryons on camp since the Velaryons knew that without them their blood wouldn't sit the throne. It's possible we could get them on our side in the future if we marry our heir to a Velaryon, even if we don't marry Laenor, but without a royal marriage I don't see them fighting for us.
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Yes, we absolutely need to get the Velaryons on side. I see three possibilities:

1: We marry Laenor
2: We betroth our heir to a child of Laena or Laenor. (As we already proposed).
3: We become close friends with Laena and Laenor, and avoid their canonical deaths, so that Corlys heir wants to support us, even if Corlys does not. This would probably also involve agreements with Corlys to make him and/or Laenor Hand, grant his grandchildren dragons, etc. Basically accepting the Velaryons as a branch house of the royal family.

Imperious said:
The thing is Daemon won't try to depose his brother and if we have a half brother then he'd have a very weak claim. By Andal succession laws we come before Daemon in the inheritance, let alone any brothers of ours. In canon he got around to putting trying to put his butt on the throne by marrying Rhaenyra. I believe we can be fairly sure that Daemon won't try to marry any of our half brothers, so I'm not sure what he'd do if we won't marry him.
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No, but if he marries Laena, he could try and push Rhaenys claim over us. Arguing that if we are going to have a ruling Queen, that Aemon's line should have seniority. Especially if Laenor remains childless. They'd have the larger dragons, a lot of money, and potentially the Starks and Baratheons support.

Imperious said:
I would suggest again the idea that if we're going to maintain close ties with Alicent, then we should consider the possibility of finding her a match with someone who we'd also like good ties with, since as our good friend she'd be a voice in our favor in court. As crown princess and as her friend we'd probably be able to find her a better match and/or one she'd like more then what Otto would be able to get her by himself, and if we find her a match with someone prominent like a Lord Paramount then Otto might even feel he owes us a solid.

Jason Lannister seems like a potential match in that regard, and it would be a rather ironic fit to given that Viserys just married Jason's canonical wife.
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Tyland Lannister would be better, as he would treat her better, she'd be at court instead of alone in Casterly Rock, etc. Heh, we are supposedly Visenya Reborn, perhaps we can be Rhaenys Reborn as well, matchmaking across Kingdom lines like she did.
 
Tyland is a second son set to inherit nothing though. It would still be a marriage into a prestigious family, but it would be a far less prominent match for Alicent compared to her marrying a Lord Paramount and becoming lady of Casterly Rock with her child set to be Lord Paramount one day if she married Jason instead of Tyland.
 
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Teen Spirit said:
Where do you meet Alicent?

[] In the Godswoods, during the hour of ghosts.

[] Back in her Apartments.

[] In the Kingswood, during a hunt.

[] Write-in (Subject to QM approval)
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My first thought was: On dragonback. Everyone knows we've been trying to convince Alicent to join us flying, surely no one will think much of it beyond agreeing that we are close friends, and Alicent winning some accolades for bravery. Certainly no one will hear us there either.

Teen Spirit said:
Where do you think Vows should be Exchanged?

[] Agree to your father's suggestion. It will be held in the garden's with you flying overhead.

[] Agree to Lady Johanna's suggestion. It will be held in the throne room.

[] Agree to Lord Westerling's suggestion. It will be held in the Sept.
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Lord Westerling's approach is the safest, and the one that we should pick. The sept is for wedding. We make nice with our stepmother's family. Earns a minor favor from the Faith. It shows propriety and respect for the Gods. All things that we need to counter any Visenya Reborn rumors.

Teen Spirit said:
Relationship with Johanna Westerling Improved

What should you talk about with Johanna?

[] She seemed interested in your father's passion project. Try and encourage that. It might give them something to bond over.

[] Talk about her home. You know little of the Crag or the Westerlands in general. Perhaps she could tell you more about them.

[] Bring up her cats. She seems quite fond of the beasts.

[] Ask how she feels about the wedding itself

[] Ask about her late mother. Maybe you could find some common ground.

[] Ask what she does in her spare time. Maybe she has an interesting hobby.

[] Bring up the elephant in the room. Ask how she feels about the line of succession and any possible kids she might have.

[] Write-in (Subject to QM Approval)
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Hmm... I'm pretty open to ideas here. The Criags and the Westerlands would be interesting to ask about. Trade netwroks would be interesting, and something we know a little about due to our Stewardship learning.

Susano said:
We do not want to give too much legitimacy to our stepmother (sorry), and not too much focus to the Faith. And we need a chance to show ourselves.
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I think the Faith is the safer option. It's respectful, everyone can agree it's traditional, so no one can really complain about it (other than grumbles about the heat), and it's a signal to others that even if we are a ruling Queen and a warrior maid, we are not planning to overturn traditions like the marriage in the Sept, or the place of religion in marriages.

Athas said:
I'm pretty sure the post doesn't exist atm
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Pretty sure it does. Tyanna of the Tower served as it during Maegor's reign, and Larys Strong is about to gain the position.

Sparda demon said:
[x] Plan Safe Curiosity
-[x] In the Kingswood, during a hunt.
-[X] Agree to your father's suggestion. It will be held in the garden's with you flying overhead.
-[X] Bring up her cats. She seems quite fond of the beasts
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Does this need a plan vote? I feel like each option is largely independent of each other. Linking them in a plan greatly limits the outcomes by forcing voters to choose a plan with the options they prioritize even if they rather not the other options. That's something that needs doing in things like the turn votes where actions are interlinked, but I don't see the connections here.

[X] Meet Alicent in the Dragon Pit when you tend to Syrax.
[X] Agree to Lord Westerling's suggestion. It will be held in the Sept.
[X] Talk about her home. You know little of the Crag or the Westerlands in general. Perhaps she could tell you more about them.
[X] Bring up her cats. She seems quite fond of the beasts.
[X] Ask about her late mother. Maybe you could find some common ground.

Voting for all the conversation topics that I feel are good. Also, here is a plan format since so many seem to prefer that:

[X]Plan: Septs are for Weddings
-[X] Meet Alicent in the Dragon Pit when you tend to Syrax.
-[X] Agree to Lord Westerling's suggestion. It will be held in the Sept.
-[X] Talk about her home. You know little of the Crag or the Westerlands in general. Perhaps she could tell you more about them.
 
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Elder Haman said:
Tyland Lannister would be better, as he would treat her better, she'd be at court
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I was thinking about a Tyland/Rhaenyra match but Tyland/Alicent works just as well as Tyland is competent in various fields (Having served as Master of Ships for Viserys, Master of Coin for Aegon the Second & Hand of the King for Aegon the Third) so he'll be staying at court and willing to overlook all kinds of things if it benefits the realm/himself. He was famous in book-canon forgetting who was Green and who was Black, when he was Hand for Aegon the Third, son of the very person who had him horribly tortured, blinded and gelded.

That still however leaves us with the issue of who do we marry.
 
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The issue with a Tyland is that despite being the brother of a Lord Paramount, is ultimately just a courtier. He inherits nothing, and would be able to leave little for his children with Alicent, since small council seats are for the most part non heritable. Arguably matches with lords from lower ranked families would be better, because they would still have a demense of their own to make Alicent lady of and leave to one of her children.

It's the sort of thing I suppose we should clarify with Alicent to see what her preferences are.
 
Susano said:
So is Alicent's father, so that works out.
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That's kind of the point? The idea was that as her friend we'd be able to arrange her a better match then she would otherwise be able to get as the daughter of a courtier, while also having the benefit that as close friends, she'd be able to advocate for us in the court of whatever lord she marries, potentially benefiting us both.
 
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Well Alicent can either be close by and in a relationship with us or she can have a husband with a castle and lands. Doing both sounds tricksy.

I think the Tyland/Alicent marriage is pretty good, particularly if she starts to learn a few lessons from her very competent husband and father. Not sure if canon Alicent is actually uh...good at anything. It would be pretty cool to make her a Queen of Thorns type. She would continue the tradition Otto started of being a incredibly influential politician even without inheriting anything.

If we marry Laenor, then we'd both be married into two very wealthy houses, together we could be the new power couple that does projects to improve Westeros, like the Kingsroad. The Dream Team!

Also allow us to meet her for, ahem, "Fiduciary planning to maximise profits for a fiscal year~" if ya know what I mean.
 
[X] Plan: Less Cautious Conversation
-[X] Meet Alicent in the Dragon Pit when you tend to Syrax.
-[X] Agree to your father's suggestion. It will be held in the garden's with you flying overhead.
-[X] Ask about her late mother. Maybe you could find some common ground.

I'd be fine asking about the westerlands, but asking about her cats is so banal and boring I can't abide it. It's safe, sure, but we're not going to get her measure at all with that.
 
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