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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Lazer Raptor said:
Interpersonally, meeting with Alicent is of course top priority, but honestly I don't care very much about our relationship with Viserys as long as it is amicable.
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Also, we just had a free rules-technical talk with him. Whereas getting to know our new stepmother really is more important.

Imperious said:
Oh come on, next you're going to tell me that we're going to marry Laenor, only for a scandal to start about the paternity of our children because we couldn't manage to conceive with him as our husband :p
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Funny thing is, even now, after Corlys storming off, it may still be a way to bind or divide Velaryon loyalties! Laenor will be the lord after Corlys, after all (unless canon happens, ofc).
 
So a Tyrell Marriage would have seen a Redwyne made Master of Ships and after pressure from the various reach houses, Viserys would have allowed the Redwyne fleet to fight Piracy in the Stepstones (And yes, that is kind of ironic for me to do that). Which would mean Corlys would just sulk on Driftmark while Daemon turned his army of Goldcloaks into a sellsword army in Essos, and Yes they would have been called the Golden Company.

Dorne would have immediately put pressure on the Triarchy to stop that nonsense in the Stepstones at the cost of a lot of realm being quite unhappy with Viserys to varying degrees.
 
Teen Spirit said:
(And yes, that is kind of ironic for me to do that).
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Yes.

Speaking of FITE-related ironies, how would the Martell marriage have gone, then?

Daemon turned his army of Goldcloaks into a sellsword army in Essos, and Yes they would have been called the Golden Company.
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Haha, oh fuck. Golden Company with a dragon. Almost a pity that didn't come to pass.
 
Lazer Raptor said:
Interpersonally, meeting with Alicent is of course top priority, but honestly I don't care very much about our relationship with Viserys as long as it is amicable.
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Honestly the position to care more about our relationship with Alicent then with the king, the guy who has control over huge aspects of our life as well over the kingdom and who could unmake us as heir with a snap of his fingers seems really weird to me. Alicent doesn't have any particularly notable skills, domain, dragons, connections (save perhaps her father) etc, etc and the main reason most of the thread seems to value our contacts with her so much is because a lot of people want her specifically as our romantic partner even though such a match seems likely to cause us a lot of difficulty for little gain.

I don't know, maybe its just because I don't care for show Alicent as a character and so fail to see an appeal despite the lack of any political benefits. I think I might even prefer Mysaria as our paramour to Alicent. Mysaria would even make for a skilled mistress of whispers to boot, while not bringing us the political difficulties likely to come from having Alicent as a paramour.
 
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Teen Spirit said:
There are ways of delaying a for Alicent marriage.
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I think Ironically the best way to deal with this mess is inviting Alicent to become our Lady in Waiting officialy sort of way, make her go in the Tour with us and also help her find a husband - which is in line for a Princess/Lady/Queen to do with their ladies. Rhaenyra has through some irony of destiny proved herself to Otto that she can find good matches.
 
Teen Spirit said:
So a Tyrell Marriage would have seen a Redwyne made Master of Ships and after pressure from the various reach houses, Viserys would have allowed the Redwyne fleet to fight Piracy in the Stepstones (And yes, that is kind of ironic for me to do that). Which would mean Corlys would just sulk on Driftmark while Daemon turned his army of Goldcloaks into a sellsword army in Essos, and Yes they would have been called the Golden Company.

Dorne would have immediately put pressure on the Triarchy to stop that nonsense in the Stepstones at the cost of a lot of realm being quite unhappy with Viserys to varying degrees.
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huh. so westerling was the best call. nicely done Viserys.
Ghost in the sun said:
Honestly I dont see how we can make Otto not marry Alicent, unless she becomes a septa and even then its a stretch.
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rather than having Otto not marry off Alicent, the key is to arrange for her to be married to someone in the crownlands. someone important enough to satisfy Otto while leaving her close enough to spend her days in kingslanding or travel to dragonstone with ease.
 
If it's really just a matter of wanting Alicent as a paramour then I do hope we can meet Mysaria at some point. She sounds like she'd be a considerably more interesting paramour then Alicent IMO, particularly as she could double as a skilled spy master as well.
 
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Susano said:
I don't know. At least purely politically, Daemon fucking off to Essos, while Corlys just sulks on Driftmark - that might not have been the worst outcome.

But we got our main objective, so I shan't complain.
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Though in the longer term Johanna is likely to be the tougher step mother to deal with. In canon she was willing to go to war, negotiate alliances and geld people for the sake of her son and his rule. I wouldn't expect her to be willing to do any less here.

Would really like it if Tarly was keeping an eye on whats going on in the kingsguard for us with a Westerling as lord commander.
 
The funny thing is Rhaenyra offered Corlys and Rhaenys a way for Laena to be Queen. Just needed to wait until Laena was older and basically accept Rhaenyra is ruling. But Corlys got greedy and looking down on Rhaenyra didn't help. Like good job Corlys you pissed off one of the people who could get you what you wanted. :V
 
[X] Plan: Connect With New Family
-[X] Speak With Lady Johanna Westerling
-[X] Speak with Alicent
-[X] Help with Wedding Preparations
-[X] Train
 
Teen Spirit said:
Rhaenys thinks they should have just taken Rhaenyra's deal.
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Very interesting...

@Teen Spirit Just to know... If instead of approaching both Corly and Rhaenys, we had tried to talk with Rhaenys alone, what would have happened?
Ghost in the sun said:
I think Ironically the best way to deal with this mess is inviting Alicent to become our Lady in Waiting officialy sort of way, make her go in the Tour with us and also help her find a husband - which is in line for a Princess/Lady/Queen to do with their ladies. Rhaenyra has through some irony of destiny proved herself to Otto that she can find good matches.
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Regarding this and considering our intentions with Alicent, I find it hilarious that, in the English Court, the official title for the lady-in-waiting holding the position of personal attendant of a queen is Lady of the Bedchamber ;);)...
 
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Why go with Rhanicent when you can instead have Miseryrhaene though? :p

Rhaneofmisery is also an acceptable alternative.
 
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Randino Treviani said:
ather than having Otto not marry off Alicent, the key is to arrange for her to be married to someone in the crownlands. someone important enough to satisfy Otto while leaving her close enough to spend her days in kingslanding or travel to dragonstone with ease.
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Well Driftmark is on the Crowlands... (half-joking).
Edit: I wonder how Wealthy are the Celtigars on this... They could be a viable option.
 
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[X] Plan Good First Impressions

Also, IMO we should really push for Stepstones involvement of some kind in one or two turns.
It both fits the Visenya build we chose, and would derail the way the war canonically happened (which gave both Corlys and Daemon prestige)
 
Ghost in the sun said:
Well Driftmark is on the Crowlands... (half-joking).
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I can't help but suspect that if Corlys concluded that we're no longer a marriage option for Laenor that he'd aim for Dorne instead of Alicent. Corlys and Otto hate each other and hand or no, Otto is still a second son of the Hightowers. In contrast Corlys doesn't have to worry as much as the king would about what the Stormlands and Reach would think of a Dornish match.
 
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Imperious said:
I can't help but suspect that if Corlys concluded that we're no longer a marriage option for Laenor that he'd aim for Dorne instead of Alicent. Corlys and Otto hate each other and hand or no, Otto is still a second son of the Hightowers. In contrast Corlys doesn't have to worry as much as the king would about what the Stormlands and Reach would think of a Dornish match.
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The problem with that is that Dorne is itself a contender for the Stepstones. The distinctly weakest of them, yes, but in canon, after Daemon and the Triarchy had bashed in each other's heads, and then the Triarchy bashed in their own heads, Dorne ended up in control of the Stepstones for a while, with the Princess of Dorne's Lysene husband being named "Lord of the Stepstones".

And Driftmark is highly dependent on naval trade lanes, of course.
 
Susano said:
The problem with that is that Dorne is itself a contender for the Stepstones. The distinctly weakest of them, yes, but in canon, after Daemon and the Triarchy had bashed in each other's heads, and then the Triarchy bashed in their own heads, Dorne ended up in control of the Stepstones for a while, with the Princess of Dorne's Lysene husband being named "Lord of the Stepstones".

And Driftmark is highly dependent on naval trade lanes, of course.
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That's kind of the point. A marriage between Laenor and a Martell could be a way to try to settle the conflict, perhaps even team up against the Triarchy.

Athas said:
[X] Plan Good First Impressions

Also, IMO we should really push for Stepstones involvement of some kind in one or two turns.
It both fits the Visenya build we chose, and would derail the way the war canonically happened (which gave both Corlys and Daemon prestige)
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I'm not sure we'll have the time to get the necessary training, spend time in the Stepstones and still go on the Royal progress by sixteen though.
 
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