- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Nah, the solution to the Bracken/Blackwood disputes is simply. We take one Blackwood at random, we take one Bracken at random, and we repeat the process until we can start House Justman anew 
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
Or we could get a house who has no connection to either and give them Pennytree and all of House Bracken's and House Blackwood's disputed lands. This new Lordship will serve as a buffer state that will hopefully do something about the feud.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
I mean that kinda was the (spurious, humorous) idea about restarting House Justman, yes
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I wouldn't be against finding time for one Study action in the next two locales, though we're basically not going to get more than that.
Honestly, I doubt we'll have a lot of stuff we really need to do at the wall, so grabbing a study action or training with Syrax is probably a good pick there. Other than Rhea being there with us I really doubt there's anyone we really need to chat with at the wall. As important as the lord commander is, the Night Watch just really isn't that politically important. Though I guess we might have an opportunity to dig into their records to see if they know anything about the ice and fire stuff Viserys told her about.
Well I would say talking to the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch is important once at the Wall. Not because of ice zombies but politically. A basic talk on what he needs and if reasonable give it to him. After that can just do what we want. Showing support to the Nights Watch gets points with the Northern lords.
- Location
- United States
I've had a crazy thought a few times that it'd be funny if we were hyperfocused on a future alt!Dance, but we were actually in an AU we're Viserys was right about us be in the Prince Who Was Promised and the Others were already heading South.
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Not necessarily true. Queen Alysanne's show of support to the Watch in the form of forced land donations from the Northern Lords lost quite a bit of support from the Northern Lords, and caused them to support Rhaenys over Viserys at the Great Council.
See that was really not the way to support the Nights Watch. What Alysanne did was stupid. Kinda why I said long the Lord Commander asked for was reasonable. Like if he wants more recruits? Sure have more criminals sent. Wants resources? Sure give them supplies or even money to get what they need. But giving even more land? No way we are doing that.
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I doubt this is going to lead anywhere. QM has intimated several times that the Others, and Aegon's Prophecy, are extremely peripheral concerns.
- Location
- Up ya bum!
Yeah I asked in an earlier post, if the others might appear earlier time wise, but teen spirit said that the others will not be appearing in the quest.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I don't think what Alysanne did was stupid so much as "impractical." Like, the entire underlying culture of Westeros is that the foundational form of wealth is land and the foundational form of status and power is to have multigenerational control of land. That's basically just objective fact in a medieval setting, and in Westeros the effect is even more dramatic because of just how much of the land is locked up under the control of millennia-old dynasties.
Alysanne was doing something that normally really would be a big reward for a noble or whatever, and it only failed in the long run because of the unique complications of the Watch's situation.
Yes, fundamentally The Gift is a good idea that lacked the follow through from the crown to succeed. Making the Night's Watch more self-sustaining makes sense if you believe in its overall purpose, otherwise it comes across as a power play
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
No, it was stupid from the get-go. Exactly what the Northern lords said would happen did happen - the Night Watch did not have the resources to properly put the New Gift to use, so the land became desolate, and that even long before the slow decline of the Night Watch. Basically, Alysanne robbed land from northern lords at
There was no reward in what Alysanne was doing, in fact it was nicely dressed up robbery. And certain parts of what Eddards tells Brandon implies he was planning to take back the New Gift after the coming Winter - the idea that Bran could get a keep for himself makes most sense on New Gift land.
The Gift is a good idea, and what the Nightwatch was supplied with from the beginning. The New Gift was an idiocy.
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Is there a point to this? It's not like we can undo the New Gift, not for many years yet.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
That doesn't mean I need to agree with the take that the New Gift was a good idea in principle...
- Pronouns
- He/Him
On the bright side this is definitely giving me material for post-Dance content. Which admittedly is something that will probably take literal IRL years to get to.
I just found this Quest and managed to catch up. I love it!
Shame i arrived too late for the last vote, i had some ideas for what to do.
Like, the guy from the tavern brawl should have just gone to the Watch. If Arnold supporters can do it after committing much worse treason, then that shouldn't have been a problem.
The poacher should have been treated Stannis-style. Since he had justifications for what he did, make him choose between the Night Watch or just losing one/two fingers instead of the whole hand.
Shame i arrived too late for the last vote, i had some ideas for what to do.
Like, the guy from the tavern brawl should have just gone to the Watch. If Arnold supporters can do it after committing much worse treason, then that shouldn't have been a problem.
The poacher should have been treated Stannis-style. Since he had justifications for what he did, make him choose between the Night Watch or just losing one/two fingers instead of the whole hand.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Stannis didn't give Davos a choice in his punishment. He just gave him an award at the same time as he gave him his lawfully due punishment. Stannis style punishment for the poacher would mean still sending him to The Wall or cutting off his hand, but at the same time giving him a reward for being such a good family man. You'd need to be careful to not make the reward so great that people would take it as incentive to engage in poaching despite the punishment though, since people having a chance to feed their hungry family by poaching probably comes up a lot more often than people having a chance to turn the tide of a major siege via smuggling.
I mean, his reward would have been losing only some fingers or digits instead of the whole hand.
Wich would allow him to go with his life without a crippling disability that would prevent him from working the fields to feed his family.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
That would be commuting his sentence though. The whole point of Stannis' "The good act does not wash out the bad, nor the bad act wash out the good." is that even if you committed a crime for a good cause, in this case saving Stannis and his men from starvation, you should still be punished to the fullest extent of the law, since your heroism doesn't entitle you to an easing of your lawful punishment. It just means that while you're being given the lawful punishment for your crime you should also be given an appropriate reward for your heroism. So for example send the poacher to the wall or cut off his hand, the lawful punishment for poaching, but at the same time give him a bunch of money for being a good family man endangering himself to save his daughter from starvation.
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Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
Saving Stannis during the seige of Storm's End wasn't the first time that Davos smuggled something. He had been in that buisness for years, this was just the time he was caught.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Fair. It may be that Westerosi law works in such a fashion that smuggling doesn't acquire a cumalative punishment for everytime you do it though, but just a standalone punishment for being "a smuggler".
I was wondering, can we have Rhaenyra try to rule Dragonstone for some time after we return from the Progress?
In this way she will have access to the other Dragons and can learn how to rule her own lands before becoming Queen. While at the same time begin tutored to become Mistress of Laws.
I especialy liked the idea that was floated early in the Quest abaout possibly killing Cannibal. Since him eating dragon eggs and newborn dragons is a real issue for the power and survival of the Targaryen Dynasty.
Killing him would give Rhaenyra incredible prestige and valuable expirience in dragon vs dragon fighting.
In this way she will have access to the other Dragons and can learn how to rule her own lands before becoming Queen. While at the same time begin tutored to become Mistress of Laws.
I especialy liked the idea that was floated early in the Quest abaout possibly killing Cannibal. Since him eating dragon eggs and newborn dragons is a real issue for the power and survival of the Targaryen Dynasty.
Killing him would give Rhaenyra incredible prestige and valuable expirience in dragon vs dragon fighting.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
1) It's a nobles-vs-peasants thing. Nobles have an expectation that you won't just straight-up kill their family members and get uppity about it. With peasants, the demands of justice have more to do with a combination of preventing feuds among the peasantry itself and generally scaring them into compliance. If this guy had just been talking shit about the Targaryens, commuting his sentence to the Wall might well have been something we'd all agreed on, but he ALSO started a riot, and that's the kind of thing the state has to be seen to crack down on.
2) As a general rule, following a traitor or seditionist in this kind of society is much less of a serious offense than being one, unless you are a peasant and sometimes even if you are. The thing is, a lot of the lines of power and authority in this system run along lines of inheritance and personal loyalty, so it's often normal for low-tier knights and whatnot to be under some degree of personal obligation to follow the younger cousin against the older cousin or something like that. This results in a bit more mercy being shown to the losing side... but not to the leader of the losing side, necessarily.