Tacit Ronin vs. The World II: KRAUN Jewels

Fyrstorm · Feb 4, 2017

ltmauve said:
-[] Recycle x9 Solid Iron plating (Free recycling action)

Still have a piece of Steel plating left over, ya know. Of course, you guys'll probably deal with that later, so whatever.

ltmauve said:
(I think if we plan to have mini-Jaegers this is a good tech to get)

And even if you didn't, it'd still be useful.

Highwind said:
Improved Railgun Design

Need more input.

Highwind said:
The Hypercompact Reactors

Highwind said:
Hammerspace

It's times like these that I'm mildly miffed that I'm not a player in this game, since I have some ideas.

Sadly, I can't share them, as that's tantamount to... something. GM fiat, maybe. Dunno.

Highwind said:
-[] Comms: Scout the area searching for Kaiju or other things of interest.

Nope. That's a Scanners action, not a Comms action. Well, the kaiju bit is, at least (and you already have a kaiju you could hunt). The other shinies bit works, however.

Chimeraguard · Feb 4, 2017

Fyrstorm said:
and you already have a kaiju you could hunt

Oh? What is it? If it's doable, I'd like to go hunting down any wandering hostile Kaiju.

Fyrstorm · Feb 4, 2017

Chimeraguard said:
Oh? What is it? If it's doable, I'd like to go hunting down any wandering hostile Kaiju.

TRvTW Base Camp Sheet said:
- SE-26-003-H, "Goryo", Cat IV. Location: North-West. Scanners read incredible density, scattered signature.

Ta da.

ltmauve · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
And by the way, here's a handy template to help organize plans.

Nice template, thanks. By the way, the MPFs still need specific units to know what to build.

[x] Plan Build Gundam
[x] Normal Actions:
-[x] Research: BRFS Fangblade Design
-[x] Research: Hypercompact Fusion Reactors
-[x] Research: Improved Railgun Design - Range
-[x] Research: Jaeger Flight Systems (With token)
-[x] Continue Research: Actual Magical Magic.
-[x] Research: Less Expensive Helios Heavy Fusion Stellarator
-[x] Research: Physical Shield housing the Variable Barrier Shield Generator.
-[x] Research: Shield overload failsafes
-[x] Build J-Tech Lab (1000 RUs)
-[x] Research: 'Breach Buster' Anti-Breach device
[x] Free Actions
-[x] Improve Tacit Ronin's HtH (20 rolls)
-[x] Improve Jagdhund's AGI (20 rolls)
-[x] Research: Breach Storage (SRM)
-[] Comms: ????
-[x] J-Recycling: 9x Solid Iron plating
-[x] MPFs (5): 5x Banshees

Shield overload failsafes: what I want out of that is reduced damage from a shield getting overloaded
Another J-tech lab to help us research some more Jaeger tech while upgrading our Jaegers.
We do need to keep working on the breech-buster so we can actually get it.

EDIT: Wow, missed the past three posts. Still need a comms action

Tankette · Feb 4, 2017

LostDeviljho said:
still want my railgun research btw.

Ditto. When can we headshot Kaijus from a good 60 nautical miles away?

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
-[] Research: BRFS Fangblade Design

Just FS, iirc. BR is for the "buster" bit.

Also, oi, people, remember the shield conventional we were talking about? Now would be the time.

We don't need a physical shield for the shields yet, neither of our jaegers are gonna use it.

Fyrstorm · Feb 4, 2017

Tankette said:
Ditto. When can we headshot Kaijus from a good 60 nautical miles away?

Never.

Nah, but in all seriousness...
1) I will set up some limiting factors on the sort of 'super' ranged weaponry; e.g. power, range, cost-- choose two. This is so that you don't end up killing kaiju from a hundred kilos away with no investment beyond the gun itself.
2) I The Precursors will not hesitate to develop counters for such weapons-- be it heavily ranged kaiju, kaiju that disrupt your ability to hit them, kaiju that can simply tank the damage, or whatever. Optimise for something, and the Kaiju will change to fight it.
3) Killing your enemies before you can't see them is honestly not that fun-- especially in a Pacific Rim game. You don't get to see cool kaiju stuff in-action, and I've wasted several minutes of my life writing the thing up and having it do nothing but show up and die.

So yeah, over-the-horizon-gun at your own peril.

LostDeviljho said:
Just FS, iirc. BR is for the "buster" bit.

Also, oi, people, remember the shield conventional we were talking about? Now would be the time.

BRFS stands for BReach Fragmentation Slicer, not BusteR Fragmentation Slicer.

Highwind · Feb 4, 2017

Fyrstorm said:
I want one.

Also... assuming that's 1/60th scale like other PGs, that's... just about 1.25 metres tall. Jeeze.

On the one hand, that's tall as fuck for a miniature and should be really fucking expensive as well. On the other hand, just think of all the gimmicks you could cram in it!
But Yeah, 1/60th scale PG Tacit gunpla aren't going to work. 1/100 would still be what, 80 centimetres?

Fyrstorm said:
Gonna be limited to "LIGHTNING... STRIKE!!" and "BLAZING, RONIN... BEAM!!" since Ronin hasn't really unleashed that many Super Robot Attacks.

They can just make up new ones and have Ashley record them. Or maybe get someone with a voice that sounds close enough to do it.

Fyrstorm said:
It's times like these that I'm mildly miffed that I'm not a player in this game, since I have some ideas.

Sadly, I can't share them, as that's tantamount to... something. GM fiat, maybe. Dunno.

Well, you could always choose a random player and start a secret conversation with them so they can post your ideas with the rest of the thread being none the wiser. You even get to play the mastermind behind the throne as a bonus!

Anyway, let me guess, research hammerspace and put the energy generators inside it with the powerlines connecting the rest of the equipment outside with what' inside? I didn't consider that because I thought the Hammerspace wouldn't allow for shenanigans like that. I imagined it would cut the powerlines when the portal or whatever closed.

...Unless the hammerspace is less "Pocket Dimension you open a portal to" and more "Warped Space-time Pocket you drag around with you", in which case I must ask if the scientists would agree to change the designation of the Breach catalyst (Platinum-Uranium plus Kaiju Blue, right?) to Metatron.

ltmauve said:
Nice template, thanks. By the way, the MPFs still need specific units to know what to build.

[x] Plan Build Gundam
[x] Normal Actions:
-[x] Research: BRFS Fangblade Design
-[x] Research: Hypercompact Fusion Reactors
-[x] Research: Improved Railgun Design - Range
-[x] Research: Jaeger Flight Systems (With token)
-[x] Continue Research: Actual Magical Magic.
-[x] Research: Less Expensive Helios Heavy Fusion Stellarator
-[x] Research: Physical Shield housing the Variable Barrier Shield Generator.
-[x] Research: Shield overload failsafes
-[x] Build J-Tech Lab (1000 RUs)
-[x] Research: 'Breach Buster' Anti-Breach device
[x] Free Actions
-[x] Improve Tacit Ronin's HtH (20 rolls)
-[x] Improve Jagdhund's AGI (20 rolls)
-[x] Research: Breach Storage (SRM)
-[] Comms: ????
-[x] J-Recycling: 9x Solid Iron plating
-[x] MPFs (5): 5x Banshees

Shield overload failsafes: what I want out of that is reduced damage from a shield getting overloaded
Another J-tech lab to help us research some more Jaeger tech while upgrading our Jaegers.
We do need to keep working on the breech-buster so we can actually get it.

EDIT: Wow, missed the past three posts. Still need a comms action

I am Highwind and I approve of this plan. You just need to put something more specific in the Improved Railgun Research like Fyrstorm asked. I propose we try to give it more punch.

Tankette said:
Ditto. When can we headshot Kaijus from a good 60 nautical miles away?

When we get fire control systems that can aim at that distance and account for things like the weird magnetic disturbances and the particulate in the atmosphere that's thick enough to make most conventional aircraft engines useless and all the other weird stuff that showed up after the apocalypse wasn't cancelled.

It's a work in progress.

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

LostDeviljho said:
Also, oi, people, remember the shield conventional we were talking about? Now would be the time.
We don't need a physical shield for the shields yet, neither of our jaegers are gonna use it.

*coughs pointedly*

ltmauve · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
I am Highwind and I approve of this plan. You just need to put something more specific in the Improved Railgun Research like Fyrstorm asked. I propose we try to give it more punch.

I'm pushing for more range. Hence me putting the - Range on there.

Btw, for comms action, why don't we call up Medford and ask what it would take for them to let us bunk at their place while making an expedition to Oblivion Bay?

Highwind · Feb 4, 2017

LostDeviljho said:
*coughs pointedly*

I was planning to wait for the miniaturized powersources first, just to make sure we could actually build them and make them mobile enough not to hinder our units' mobility too much. Age of Mythology taught me that an army is only as fast as its slowest unit. It took me a while to learn my lesson and stop putting colossi in the same group as the cavalry.

ltmauve · Feb 4, 2017

[x] Plan Build Gundam MkII
[x] Normal Actions:
-[x] Research: BRFS Fangblade Design
-[x] Research: Hypercompact Fusion Reactors
-[x] Research: Improved Railgun Design - Range
-[x] Research: Jaeger Flight Systems (With token)
-[x] Continue Research: Actual Magical Magic.
-[x] Research: Less Expensive Helios Heavy Fusion Stellarator
-[x] Research: Physical Shield housing the Variable Barrier Shield Generator.
-[x] Research: Shield overload failsafes
-[x] Build J-Tech Lab (1000 RUs)
-[x] Research: 'Breach Buster' Anti-Breach device
[x] Free Actions
-[x] Improve Tacit Ronin's HtH (20 rolls)
-[x] Improve Jagdhund's AGI (20 rolls)
-[x] Research: Breach Storage (SRM)
-[x] Comms: Begin inquiries for stopping in Medford during a potential Obilivion Bay mission.
-[x] J-Recycling: 8x Solid Iron plating 1x Steel plating
-[x] MPFs (5): 5x Banshees

New plan, now with comms action.

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
I was planning to wait for the miniaturized powersources first, just to make sure we could actually build them and make them mobile enough not to hinder our units' mobility too much. Age of Mythology taught me that an army is only as fast as its slowest unit. It took me a while to learn my lesson and stop putting colossi in the same group as the cavalry.

I doubt it'll be slower than the Heimdal unless it's actually stationary. Either way, I think it's a better use of the research slot than a shield we won't be able to use until we get a third Jaeger, that would also be one of the primary benefits from mini-cores.

HolyDragoon · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
I was planning to wait for the miniaturized powersources first, just to make sure we could actually build them and make them mobile enough not to hinder our units' mobility too much. Age of Mythology taught me that an army is only as fast as its slowest unit. It took me a while to learn my lesson and stop putting colossi in the same group as the cavalry.

... why would you stick your cavalry with the rest of your guys? Prodromos are to harass enemy cavalry and they along with Hippikons die of fright if they see a cavalry counter.

Also, could we use those miniaturized power sources in our air units? What would be the effect?

auron45 · Feb 4, 2017

hello new to the quest here, and I'm liking what I'm seeing keep up the good work fyrstorm

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Hmm for conventional vehicle ideas how about the mobile worker from Gundam IBO?

These little guys are pretty modular going from machine guns to missile pods, cannon turrets, even a flatbed for transport. And given how goddamn small they are they're going to be pretty much hit and run scouts, they are also single seater, maybe 2 seater if going for a command type. Size wise they range from around 4m to 7m high round-up, length wise id say around 4.5m maybe 6m. machine guns ranging from 30cal to 60cal.

best thing about them is they use hydrogen engines to power up and move about, so pretty cheap all things considered right?

Another idea came to me after listening to the music when Tactic did the super-robo finish and well,

the dividing driver comes to mind for battlefield control and given the parallels between this and the breach tech we're studying it'll probably be a good late tier research.

[X] Plan Giant Robot Wizards

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

Screw it.

[x] Plan Build Gundams & Forcefields
[x] Normal Actions:
-[x] Research: BRFS Fangblade Design
-[x] Research: Breach Storage (SRM)
-[x] Research: Improved Railgun Design - Stopping Power
-[x] Research: Jaeger Flight Systems (With token)
-[x] Continue Research: Actual Magical Magic.
-[x] Research: Less Expensive Helios Heavy Fusion Stellarator
-[x] Research: A conventional unit that can use the Variable Barrier Shield Generator.
-[x] Research: Shield overload failsafes
-[x] Build J-Tech Lab (1000 RUs)
-[x] Research: 'Breach Buster' Anti-Breach device
[x] Free Actions
-[x] Improve Tacit Ronin's HtH (20 rolls)
-[x] Improve Jagdhund's AGI (20 rolls)
-[x] Research: Breach Gates (SRM)
-[x] Comms: Begin inquiries for stopping in Medford during a potential Obilivion Bay mission.
-[x] J-Recycling: 8x Solid Iron plating 1x Steel plating
-[x] MPFs (5): 5x Banshees

ltmauve · Feb 4, 2017

HolyDragoon said:
... why would you stick your cavalry with the rest of your guys?

The point of the shield unit is to keep up with the rest of the tanks so they can survive a passing glance from Kaiju. If it can't keep up with them, it's not that useful.

HolyDragoon said:
Also, could we use those miniaturized power sources in our air units? What would be the effect?

It might be a small superheavy (or midheavy or whatever) but hopefully we'll either be able to build one in an MPF or just be able to build 20 Ultracompact Minovsky Fusion Reactors and build the chassis in the MPF to save on resources.

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

ltmauve said:
The point of the shield unit is to keep up with the rest of the tanks so they can survive a passing glance from Kaiju. If it can't keep up with them, it's not that useful.

Considering our cavalry analogue is our Air Force, his question stands. Why the fuck would you group a land heavy with the light hypermobiles?

Highwind · Feb 4, 2017

HolyDragoon said:
... why would you stick your cavalry with the rest of your guys? Prodromos are to harass enemy cavalry and they along with Hippikons die of fright if they see a cavalry counter.

The most complex tactic I could concoct back when I was a young lad and played that game was "make a big huge army and then send 'em all at the enemy!"
Needless to say, Young Highwind eventually learned his lesson.

auron45 said:
hello new to the quest here, and I'm liking what I'm seeing keep up the good work fyrstorm.

Hmm for conventional vehicle ideas how about the mobile worker from Gundam IBO?

These little guys are pretty modular going from machine guns to missile pods, cannon turrets, even a flatbed for transport. And given how goddamn small they are they're going to be pretty much hit and run scouts, they are also single seater, maybe 2 seater if going for a command type. Size wise they range from around 4m to 7m high round-up, length wise id say around 4.5m maybe 6m. machine guns ranging from 30cal to 60cal.

best thing about them is they use hydrogen engines to power up and move about, so pretty cheap all things considered right?

Another idea came to me after listening to the music when Tactic did the super-robo finish and well, the dividing driver comes to mind for battlefield control and given the parallels between this and the breach tech we're studying it'll probably be a good late tier research.

Welcome to the team!

If we can get the Mobile workers outfitted with enough firepower? Sure, I can see them working. But something to keep in mind is that all Anti-Kaiju conventionals carry hilarious amounts of firepower when compared to their real-life equivalents, because less than that is of little use against the Kaiju.

And while I personally love the Dividing Driver, it wouldn't be nearly as useful for us, considering that it basically creates a barren battlefield for GaoGaiGar to fight without causing collateral damage to the city, and we already fight in mostly barren post-apocalyptic wastelands anyway. I could maybe see it working as a way to force open the ocean so we don't have to fight Kaiju underwater, but again, that's of limited usefulness.

LostDeviljho said:
Considering our cavalry analogue is our Air Force, his question stands. Why the fuck would you group a land heavy with the light hypermobiles?

I think the actual question was why I would do that in the game I was talking about, but one of the reasons is to attack from range with far less risk because if the Tanks can hit the Kaiju, the Helicopters can do so as well, and both can (theoretically) benefit from the shield.

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
I think the actual question was why I would do that in the game I was talking about, but one of the reasons is to attack from range with far less risk because if the Tanks can hit the Kaiju, the Helicopters can do so as well, and both can (theoretically) benefit from the shield.

But the helicopters will always be held back if you force them to stick with the other units. Their role is to be light and mobile. Making them stick with the rest of the slower groups is inimical to their purpose.

Fyrstorm · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
On the one hand, that's tall as fuck for a miniature and should be really fucking expensive as well. On the other hand, just think of all the gimmicks you could cram in it!
But Yeah, 1/60th scale PG Tacit gunpla aren't going to work. 1/100 would still be what, 80 centimetres?

75. Your Buster Slicer is actually Longer than Tacit is tall.

Highwind said:
Well, you could always choose a random player and start a secret conversation with them so they can post your ideas with the rest of the thread being none the wiser. You even get to play the mastermind behind the throne as a bonus!

Anyway, let me guess, research hammerspace and put the energy generators inside it with the powerlines connecting the rest of the equipment outside with what' inside? I didn't consider that because I thought the Hammerspace wouldn't allow for shenanigans like that. I imagined it would cut the powerlines when the portal or whatever closed.

...Unless the hammerspace is less "Pocket Dimension you open a portal to" and more "Warped Space-time Pocket you drag around with you", in which case I must ask if the scientists would agree to change the designation of the Breach catalyst (Platinum-Uranium plus Kaiju Blue, right?) to Metatron.

*PM'd*

HolyDragoon said:
Also, could we use those miniaturized power sources in our air units? What would be the effect?

Nuclear aircraft.

auron45 said:
hello new to the quest here, and I'm liking what I'm seeing keep up the good work fyrstorm.

Thank you!

auron45 said:
the dividing driver comes to mind for battlefield control and given the parallels between this and the breach tech we're studying it'll probably be a good late tier research.

If you build the Dividing Driver it's gonna be mandatory for you to Heaven And Hell something at some point.

Or at least figure out how to Broken Magnum things.

Highwind · Feb 4, 2017

I was looking at the last couple downtime plans and I noticed we don't have a Breachgate research this time. It might be a good idea to keep researching it this turn as well.

Just a thought. Really. Nothing to do with any possible conversations I might have had. Because I didn't have any.

Fyrstorm said:
If you build the Dividing Driver it's gonna be mandatory for you to Heaven And Hell something at some point.

Or at least figure out how to Broken Magnum things.

So, do a Charge Lightning Attack with a Flourish with a called shot to the chest?

Fyrstorm · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
So, do a Charge Lightning Attack with a Flourish with a called shot to the chest?

...That'll do.

LostDeviljho · Feb 4, 2017

Highwind said:
I was looking at the last couple downtime plans and I noticed we don't have a Breachgate research this time. It might be a good idea to keep researching it this turn as well.

Just a thought. Really. Nothing to do with any possible conversations I might have had. Because I didn't have any.

Good Idea, I can swap the hammerspace research for that since we're doing flight this time.

Highwind · Feb 4, 2017

It might also be a good idea to research hammerspace too, either now or next turn. A really good idea. That might solve all energy related problems for our future projects. Especially those involving conventionals.

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