The rationale here is that the workforce reduction research will once again boost production - though it might only take us from 3->4 destroyers per turn or something. It'll also let us grab something else too, if that 0.8 is correct. I'm down to start the next SBG, but we do have about fifty years until even the nearest time we would need it.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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Don't forget it reduced the actions we need to fill an SBG from 3.5 to 3.
I like this idea, but to confirm, he didn't believe in the Star Child right? He was still God-Emperor loving, and just ignored our heresy?
Perhaps still worthwhile to beatify him, but idk the consequence of doing so to someone who isn't a faithful of the Star Child.
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I don't think it will? It specifically boosts automation production, and I don't see how the .8 CAN be correct, tbh? Oh, and it's been changed to .5.
Also, as for specific instructions, I think the two new SBGs we'll have should 'rest' one system back from Ultima Sigritta, just to reduce the chances of causing alarm.
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You can take a Free Action for that.
They, like Primarchs, can age, and thus die of Old Age like Chyron just did.
You can try!
It should be 0.50 due to New Dawn giving you Research Progress.
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Ooh, neat.
Thank you new Dawn. (Also, 0.5 is the most cruel number of research progress). Just barely not enough to get a free research.
[] Saints and automation
-[] Terraform Nurn and Git
-[] [General] Research:
--[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
-[] [Faith] Saint Candidates
--[] Amadeus 'Chyron' Chyropheles
For the lols here is my plan.
-[] Terraform Nurn and Git
-[] [General] Research:
--[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
-[] [Faith] Saint Candidates
--[] Amadeus 'Chyron' Chyropheles
For the lols here is my plan.
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[] Plan Housing Industry and Military
-[][General] Terraform
--[] Git - (Target Biosphere: Megaflora) - (Maximum Population: 36 Billion) - (Terraformation Time: ~160 Years)
--[] Nurn - (Target Biosphere: Fog Mountains) - (Maximum Population: 27 Billion) - (Terraformation Time: ~170 Years)
-[][General] Research
--[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
-[][Military] Fill Out Sector Battle Group
--[] Minotaur (0/3)
Terraform for Population Space current state plus plan:
151+63=214/350 missing 136
Research to hopefully get another production boost and filling research progress to get both Novel and Experimental upgrades
and starting to build the SBGs
Next Turn
Terraform Litra and Nushar
plan evacuation fleet or SBG
infiltrion action
-[][General] Terraform
--[] Git - (Target Biosphere: Megaflora) - (Maximum Population: 36 Billion) - (Terraformation Time: ~160 Years)
--[] Nurn - (Target Biosphere: Fog Mountains) - (Maximum Population: 27 Billion) - (Terraformation Time: ~170 Years)
-[][General] Research
--[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
-[][Military] Fill Out Sector Battle Group
--[] Minotaur (0/3)
Terraform for Population Space current state plus plan:
151+63=214/350 missing 136
Research to hopefully get another production boost and filling research progress to get both Novel and Experimental upgrades
and starting to build the SBGs
Next Turn
Terraform Litra and Nushar
plan evacuation fleet or SBG
infiltrion action
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Anyway, to steal @ShakeyDog's timeline
A few Thoughts :
- Amut , previously useless, is now a viable terraforming choice and the only terraforming option that can be ready before the war.
- Every other planet is now also viable, if some only marginally. At first glance, Git, Nushar, Bob, Nushar and Nurn seem interesting
Turns
800 – 3 actions
- Last point at which Amut (8 billion) can be terraformed and ready before the war
810 – 3 actions
- Nurn (27B pop.) needs to start terraforming to be ready when Maphara is.
820 – 3 actions
- Git (36B pop.) needs to start terraforming to be ready when Maphara is.
- (Blazing Sun auto-complete)
- (Chapter Fleet auto-complete)
830 – 3 actions
840 – 3 actions
--- Could complete Necessary ActionsTM by this point. ---
850 – 3 actions
- (Chapter Fleet auto-complete)
860 – 3 actions
870 – 3 actions
-War likely to start now or next turn, QM says Propaganda Office will give us notice 1 Turn before it starts.
880 –War?
- (Howling Gale completes on 886)
...
Duchy War - War actions, Build actions, Habitat actions, etc
...
980 - Maphara completes. I think it's likely for the Hive ground war + time to evacuate (+ briefly holding Hivers on Primus?) to take up this century.
@HeroCooky Does NewHorizon also apply to terraforming?
A few Thoughts :
- Amut , previously useless, is now a viable terraforming choice and the only terraforming option that can be ready before the war.
- Every other planet is now also viable, if some only marginally. At first glance, Git, Nushar, Bob, Nushar and Nurn seem interesting
Turns
800 – 3 actions
- Last point at which Amut (8 billion) can be terraformed and ready before the war
810 – 3 actions
- Nurn (27B pop.) needs to start terraforming to be ready when Maphara is.
820 – 3 actions
- Git (36B pop.) needs to start terraforming to be ready when Maphara is.
- (Blazing Sun auto-complete)
- (Chapter Fleet auto-complete)
830 – 3 actions
840 – 3 actions
--- Could complete Necessary ActionsTM by this point. ---
850 – 3 actions
- (Chapter Fleet auto-complete)
860 – 3 actions
870 – 3 actions
-War likely to start now or next turn, QM says Propaganda Office will give us notice 1 Turn before it starts.
880 –War?
- (Howling Gale completes on 886)
...
Duchy War - War actions, Build actions, Habitat actions, etc
...
980 - Maphara completes. I think it's likely for the Hive ground war + time to evacuate (+ briefly holding Hivers on Primus?) to take up this century.
@HeroCooky Does NewHorizon also apply to terraforming?
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Aaaaanyway...
1)A single action to terraform Nurn and Git sounds worthwhile. Not sure I'd support it if we could only pick one - they take long enough that I'm not positive they'll be ready in time - but both together, they provide a suitable home for 63 billion people, so it's worth the gamble.
2)We can now, for the price of 3 actions, create enough void habitats for 36 billion people (and also gain a Void Industry level - do those affect our fleet production rate?). Maybe not the thing to do right now - we should prioritize evacuation ships first - but definitely something to pursue in the not-too-distant future.
3)Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations now only takes 1 action. I doubt it'll be as much of a boon as the automation research we just did, but damn, it's tempting.
4)Expanded Snapshot Cogitation Improvements and Tetratek ARc Cannonade are now just one single research action, which means they've moved from "very useful" to "WANT". This is a must-have item that we need to complete before the war with the Duchy.
5)Logistical Infantry-Grade Weapons Development (and its armor counterpart) now only takes 2 actions. Tempting, but... I'll admit, I'd rather gamble on quality than quantity.
6)We need 6 actions to build two SBGs, but we don't need them right now. Getting started on it is a good call, though.
7)The Celestial Orrery takes one action. Honestly? I think we should do it. It improves scouting, and scouting currently uses a huge chunk of our choirs. Plus, better scouting means we'll be less likely to be taken by surprise by the Duchy or a third party.
8)4 turns until we've finished auto-building Warpacks, 3 turns until we've finished auto-standardizing the Chapter fleet... yeah, no need for action, they'll both be ready in time for the war.
9)Definitely need a saint candidate. Any of them, honestly.
1)A single action to terraform Nurn and Git sounds worthwhile. Not sure I'd support it if we could only pick one - they take long enough that I'm not positive they'll be ready in time - but both together, they provide a suitable home for 63 billion people, so it's worth the gamble.
2)We can now, for the price of 3 actions, create enough void habitats for 36 billion people (and also gain a Void Industry level - do those affect our fleet production rate?). Maybe not the thing to do right now - we should prioritize evacuation ships first - but definitely something to pursue in the not-too-distant future.
3)Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations now only takes 1 action. I doubt it'll be as much of a boon as the automation research we just did, but damn, it's tempting.
4)Expanded Snapshot Cogitation Improvements and Tetratek ARc Cannonade are now just one single research action, which means they've moved from "very useful" to "WANT". This is a must-have item that we need to complete before the war with the Duchy.
5)Logistical Infantry-Grade Weapons Development (and its armor counterpart) now only takes 2 actions. Tempting, but... I'll admit, I'd rather gamble on quality than quantity.
6)We need 6 actions to build two SBGs, but we don't need them right now. Getting started on it is a good call, though.
7)The Celestial Orrery takes one action. Honestly? I think we should do it. It improves scouting, and scouting currently uses a huge chunk of our choirs. Plus, better scouting means we'll be less likely to be taken by surprise by the Duchy or a third party.
8)4 turns until we've finished auto-building Warpacks, 3 turns until we've finished auto-standardizing the Chapter fleet... yeah, no need for action, they'll both be ready in time for the war.
9)Definitely need a saint candidate. Any of them, honestly.
Alright, fair enough. Always good to keep a military reserve, though we'll also need to dedicate actions to building the civilian ships soon.
So we've got maybe 10ish free actions after the necessary fleetbuilding and additional infiltration. How do we prioritize stuff? We want a few songs, maybe a bit of ground combat research. Should we build the temple ship? What about grab Civ XV before the upcoming hit? I'm not sure what to plan for.
@HeroCooky given the involvement with the Mechanicus & drones and hacking, would MMI count as boosting infiltration?
So I looked up how we defined saints:
I'm pretty sure Chyron doesn't qualify on two fronts, first he didn't believe in the Star Child (I'm pretty sure?) and second he didn't have any miracles from the Star Child. He was just an incredibly stand up Space Marine dude. A legend to be sure, but not a Saint of the Star Child.
Maybe we should do a write in teaching all the children about him, and making an extra great mausoleum (with Lamenter consent and input).
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I feel it's pratically a given that it's a waste of an action.
Chiron didn't even believe in the faith. He was a staunch ally, but an ally. Not a believer.
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I think, if we're going to do research for the military weapons/armor, best to do it first so it has time to propagate, I'm not sure how long that'll take with our current Military Industry.
Sorry, should've specified, I meant just more that we're definitely doing something to celebrate him (as a free action, like the GM confirmed).
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There are more worthwhile Terraforming targets
It says partly automated industries
HeroCooky
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No.
No.
Its a joke one that will be removed next Turn.
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Anyway, I know, I know this is a bad idea. But here's a very tempting deviation from the plan.
This turn
[] [Psykana] The Celestial Orrery
[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
[] Free Duchy Shipwreck And Battle Studies
[] Expanded Snapshot Cogitation Improvements and Tetratek ARc Cannonade (Free)
Next turn
- [] Design refugee ships
- [] Design new military ships (Scout, new andromeda, bombardement vessel ?)
- [] Free
This is pretty much the last chance to do it and have the improvements be widespread, but it would give us insight into the enemy tactics, and immediately let us tailor at least 1 ship to counter it, and then include that ship in the newest SBG's to fight it. We have the time
This turn
[] [Psykana] The Celestial Orrery
[] Sophont Workforce Requirement Reduction Considerations
[] Free Duchy Shipwreck And Battle Studies
[] Expanded Snapshot Cogitation Improvements and Tetratek ARc Cannonade (Free)
Next turn
- [] Design refugee ships
- [] Design new military ships (Scout, new andromeda, bombardement vessel ?)
- [] Free
This is pretty much the last chance to do it and have the improvements be widespread, but it would give us insight into the enemy tactics, and immediately let us tailor at least 1 ship to counter it, and then include that ship in the newest SBG's to fight it. We have the time
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Now imagining a tiny heresy persisting for centuries, the 'Make Chyron A Saint Club', picketing cathedrals dressed in Lamenter cosplay, shouting 'THE EMPEROR PROTECTS' then throwing water balloons at Yeeni and Kil'Drab, etc.Its a joke one that will be removed next Turn.
Also a thought in the back of my head was a write in to sponsor research universities, scholarships and grants for bright folk, maybe Star Mechanicum recruitment drives? All towards the goal of getting research to automatically progress each turn (a la the Mad Binaric Screeching trait we keep rejecting...).
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I actually want to toss out a thought, not sure it's the optimal choice but what if we saint Chyron and hit the Lamenters action this turn? Might continue the streak of them really liking us.
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Also funniest possible thing we can do when it's Go Time is, have our Defense Station infiltrators de-activate their shield generators to allow the Lamenters to teleport onto the Defense Stations.
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Since we have to do a ship design action anyway to upgrade our Andromeda's (and I do insist we should do that. it's thoroughly obsolete), we could use the leftover points from that to design a stealth destroyer with a teleportarium.Also funniest possible thing we can do when it's Go Time is, have our Defense Station infiltrators de-activate their shield generators to allow the Lamenters to teleport onto the Defense Stations.
Counter doctrinal, but we can make it work.
Que in that line of discussion from a Chaos Marine telling the Lion the reason he feels slow or not as good as he was is because he's old
...fucking hell, man. like, I get it but damn the casualty rate just from the lack of work safety, poor conditions, killed to raise moral, servitorization, illness, or sucide makes it really hard to keep track of discovery or not because its all random. At least it was only minor losses due to it.
Still what kind of hell are Agri-worlds in the Imperium?
Huh, I guess via the Orbitals or the like? And yah, sounds like the Mechanicus alright. tempt them with giving them the freedom to invent and the like.
Also Mechanicum is the Empire of the Tech Priests before they became a Adeptus Mechanicus.
Oh... yah, in hindsight we should have included 'attempt to infiltrate or slow roll out missions to infiltrate the Lower/Middle Hive' just to keep tabs on things and to have more connections. We hard focused on the underhive because of the source of recruits and easy to do whatever we wanted down there.
glad to have agents in the Upper Hives and good ol' blackmail and Bribery. Ohhh, little note of how the Servo-Skulls helping out. I'm guessing because the Servo-Skull are like drones, they recorded a lot of the dealings or corruption and using that as leverage against thier bosses in order to get them to work for us? Neat, guess the Servo-Skull drones helped a lot more then just combat.
Yahhhh, getting some agents in the Mechanicus would have really helped a lot of stuff to identity and give us an idea. To be fair, I think most of us thought the Mechanicus would have sniffed out any agents we put in or track us somehow, instead of getting them to... just be there and not sniffed out right away. I guess a little bit of Meme 40k again or thinking with how the Mechanicus operate it'd be easy and fast to find out but I think that was just fear.
We know for next time to attempt some of this and keep this in mind for how certain areas or sections will gives us information. though I think the Propaganda Office will handle that from now on. Let us take this as a learning experience for Intrigue attempts in other quests.
wha- No.... Chyron.
Damn, I guess with how long its been it makes sense as well. He managed to rebuild the Chapter to a full strength one and has had time to teach them all he can about the Lamenters and the history and traditions.
QM, could we have done anything about this at all?
May the Star Child welcome him, May he be honored.
and Damn, Gamma is now Chapter Master. that's a trip back to the start of the quest with those four.
I think we should look into getting the Chapter the Librarians and Dreadnaughts. which now that I think about it I think Chyron could have helped a lot with that. FUCK, why didn't I think of just asking him for any thing about Dreadnaughts at all? fuck we're gonna need to fumble our way through the design and builds. Yah, that's hindsight kicking in.
QM should we have asked Chyron about Librarians and Dreadnughts when we had they chance?
Okay it took a few minutes to check out what the change was but then I saw it. We can now Colonize 3 Planets with one action now and we can Terraform two worlds with one action. That's great and will help a lot. Also gives us the go ahead just do another two worlds to terraform since it'll only cost one more action and the two worlds will be the last of what we'll do before Voxx.
increased now to 12 billion per action. meaning a 3 action will result in 1 void industry as well as 36 Billion. I still say its worth it.
And Damn, looks like
Laurent
was on the money for that tech giving us a boost to action efficiency. though it was to a LOT more things then we thought would apply to. at least we're in a better position and it payed off.Oh shit, it made this one tech action research and it would be the first step to making Dreadnaughts, as well as our promise to the Cog Boys. I think it'd be worth grabbing now.
the industry throughput or just the QM having mercy on us, resulted in folding the two techs together. So It might be worth grabbing this soon or with the banked Tech point we'll have with another action spent in tech.
OH shit! its only two now, only Four Actions worth now instead of Six. Hell yah.
Each went down by one, still doubt we'll get to this at some point unless we need it but still good.
oh shit, those Servo-Skull Scouts are really proving their worth already with 10 years bought to them. giving us an extra two turns to prepare. and the Subverted Mechanicus Assets helping in both other places. Seriously, we should have thought to infiltrate the other areas like the Arbites and Mechanicus before now to keep a pulse on what they know and the like. Hindsight 20/20 and all that. still looks like we might get some extra time on Voxx Primus to make use of, so that's good.
while on Voxx Secundus, it would be nearly complete at the same time as Voxx Primus and wouldn't be noticed by the Dutchy until it was too late.
Oh sweet, that industry thoughput increased the amount. so now with one action we can get 6 War Packs or 8 SAG's. Nice, we'll get our actions worth if we need to spend an action or two for the ones to put in Voxx Primus before we set it off.
And just as Laruent hoped, it brought down the needed actions to 3 for a single SBG. meaning if need be we can pump out a SBG a turn if we are pressed. we should be able to get another 2 SBG's out bring that to Five SBG's... its really a question of what else we want to get done before Voxx primus kicks off. I would want to try to get 6 SBG's total before then so we can send the Sixth SBG to Voxx Secundus on the unstable warp route to bypass Voxx primus and take control of the Agri-worlds while the main force ties down and destroys any fleet above Voxx Primus, it would also help catch any ships that flee Primus only to arrive in Secundus where another SBG is waiting and able to intercept them.
Oh shit it went down to one action required, we should grab it. It is said by QM this is the Gate Project that is the first step in the Psytech Tree.
Managed to shave off an action's worth from both tickers. both will be ready before Voxx Primus.
the problem is no one sure of what effects until it's done. Similar thing happened with Auto-Ship production. many people didn't want to 'waste' an action to auto-produce a single destroyer until told it was a Gate to the tech tree and would improve with each improvement, as shown with 3 destroyers built and the next level being a frigate auto-produced.
In this case we got the improvement from the Servitors and not sure how much things would improve with the other techs. With the action crunch and everything needed Laruent brought it up and everyone else agreed it was a good compromise if it included Advanced Servo-Skull Militarization Initiative and infiltration action or that it was worth the gamble to spend two Tech actions on it to see if it would help out the actions needed to build a SBG down to 3 actions.
Thank You QM.
Fair Enough.You can try!
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Just want to point out, if we put an action towards this right now it will finish for next turn. Would be a great way to honor Chyron while also improving the space assets we'll be sending against the Duchy.