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It was a song we unlocked one or two turns ago, that gives extra research.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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Oh! Question, @HeroCooky , how many Choirs "free" do we need to maintain the auto-drip and the ability to learn two Melodies in a single action?
Unless Thule 6/666 ('Pip'), Thule 6/669 ('Pep'), and Springdawn ('Daw') are psykers and cuddled so hard they subconsciously send a wave of love through the warp at the Ashan Families, motivating the Ashan to give us one more charge of that action, that action should probably be at [0 Remaining] and not be displayed.
Pempelune
Fanfiction Deep State
We should do this with our free action this turn. We start the process of annexing the Ashan Families, and maybe get an ISC out of them.
If we can get this in the next turn [] [General] Free Movement and Friendship Declaration would be good, like i think we are very close to them joining us, like not as protectorate (they wouldn't like it) but as kind of peers in a Federation (like the ones in Stellaris), and well this would be a huge boost for everyone involved and this is a win-win situation.
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They're nowhere close to being peers to us though, I think if we kept pushing diplomacy they'd eventually be willing to become a Protectorate, as long as they're still able to do business.
While they're very profit-focused, I imagine they would be smart enough to recognize that they can't stand on their own against any major factions, so paying taxes in return for getting protection and access to new markets seems like a logical next step.
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Yeah peer implies a lot considering the sheer size differential(we are like 5x their size)
Pempelune
Fanfiction Deep State
I dont think we need to make them a Protectorate. The Ashan Families are mercantile, they're here to make the biggest buck: they can do that by being allowed into the Federation's markets, 40 billion souls for them to sell to. In exchange, the planets they currently rule become a part of the Federation.
Probably a bit too early to propose this, though.
Probably a bit too early to propose this, though.
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If I recall auto drip started at 10
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I imagine as far as Ashan Families are concerned, it could go something like:
- We get those open borders with them, increasing our influence.
- A few decades to a century pass, over which we get closer in culture and faith.
- We get an option of absorbing them as a somewhat more independent part of the Federation.
Though it may need more than two actions overall. Probably like the hive world- gotta regularly water those thirsty, thirsty flowers of neighbourhood conversion, so that they may bloom with light of Star Child.
- We get those open borders with them, increasing our influence.
- A few decades to a century pass, over which we get closer in culture and faith.
- We get an option of absorbing them as a somewhat more independent part of the Federation.
Though it may need more than two actions overall. Probably like the hive world- gotta regularly water those thirsty, thirsty flowers of neighbourhood conversion, so that they may bloom with light of Star Child.
HeroCooky
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None, that should have been already put in. Have done so now.
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I'm completely against the peers option. Not only because of the size difference, but some of their business practices are completely unacceptable. If they want to set up shop in the Federation? It's by our rules to ensure they're not squeezing people dry before just discarding them.
[] [Military] [Construct/Refit] A Fleet - [36 Fleet Points] - [4 FP Banked]
Ships are produced at these rates: Scouts at 1 FP, Destroyers at 2 FP, Frigates at 4 FP, Light Cruisers at 8 FP, and Heavy Cruisers at 18 FP.
Would this be possible to do without taking up an action:
[] [Military] [Construct] A Fleet [4 FP Banked] - 4x Scouts
Ships are produced at these rates: Scouts at 1 FP, Destroyers at 2 FP, Frigates at 4 FP, Light Cruisers at 8 FP, and Heavy Cruisers at 18 FP.
Would this be possible to do without taking up an action:
[] [Military] [Construct] A Fleet [4 FP Banked] - 4x Scouts
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Yeah, the FP from the Kil'drabi is Free to use, but I'd rather bank it higher, tbh.
OK, figure I'll try my hand at an item-by-item analysis of our options and needs.
-[] Unstable Ore Deposits Exploitation, Chemical After-Burner Bottling, and Ancient Imperial Missile Studies
Not gonna lie, that sounds like a lot of bang per buck.
-[] Snapshot Cogitation Improvements
Given how much our fleet uses missiles, that seems useful. Very useful.
-[] Novel Infantry-Grade Weapons and Armor Development
(Gain: Infantry Weapons and Armor Upgrades.)
-[] Experimental Infantry-Grade Weapons and Armor Development
(Gain: New Infantry Weapons and Armors.)
Both of these strike me as yes. Very yes.
-[] New Boarders for a New Age
...Would that improve the Lamenters' effectiveness and survivability at void combat?
-[] Ship Equipment Standardization - [1 DP Equipment] (0/2)
This? This is quite possibly our best options. Even at the cost of 2 AP, the sheer enhancement it can provide our fleet is huge.
-[] Shipyard Automatization
I'm actually not excited about this one? One extra Destroyer per turn is basically a rounding error. If we spend an AP on it now, it'll take 36 turns before it contributes as much to our naval power as a single AP spent on fleet-building - and the fleet building action will yields immediate dividends.
-[] Mind-Machine Interface Re-Examined (0/2)
Potentially interesting, but I wonder if it might be a bit of a Pandora's box.
-[] Psytech Foundings (2/4)
Definitely interesting, but hard to evaluate its worth, especially since we won't actually be able create psytech (for now, at least).
-[] Reconstruct The Shattered STC-Fragment (0/12)
Aaand the mystery box. The mystery box that would take us 9 AP to unlock.
Now, we know the bonuses for reaching X or XV are pretty great. Alas, with Slumbering Titan, we would need 8 actions to pull it off for Food Production, 10 actions with Heavy Industry/Medical Services/Military Industry, and 12 actions with Void Industry. It's just not worth it at the moment. We can bring Civilian Infrastructure to XV with only 3 actions, which is worth it, but requires switching first to the appropriate ISC; it'd be a waste to do it on this turn (but it wouldn't be a bad idea to switch to the relevant ISC after this turn and get CI to XV soonish).
Colonization is good, but we did recently expand a lot. Not urgent, plus we'd need to switch to the appropriate ISC first. Maybe in a couple turns.
Our bonuses mean we get 1.35 research for every AP, which approximates to 4 Research per 3 AP. With what we already have banked, we currently only need 2 AP to get 3 research, which is tempting. Now, looking at some of individual choices-
-[] Unstable Ore Deposits Exploitation, Chemical After-Burner Bottling, and Ancient Imperial Missile Studies
Not gonna lie, that sounds like a lot of bang per buck.
-[] Snapshot Cogitation Improvements
Given how much our fleet uses missiles, that seems useful. Very useful.
-[] Novel Infantry-Grade Weapons and Armor Development
(Gain: Infantry Weapons and Armor Upgrades.)
-[] Experimental Infantry-Grade Weapons and Armor Development
(Gain: New Infantry Weapons and Armors.)
Both of these strike me as yes. Very yes.
-[] New Boarders for a New Age
...Would that improve the Lamenters' effectiveness and survivability at void combat?
-[] Ship Equipment Standardization - [1 DP Equipment] (0/2)
This? This is quite possibly our best options. Even at the cost of 2 AP, the sheer enhancement it can provide our fleet is huge.
-[] Shipyard Automatization
I'm actually not excited about this one? One extra Destroyer per turn is basically a rounding error. If we spend an AP on it now, it'll take 36 turns before it contributes as much to our naval power as a single AP spent on fleet-building - and the fleet building action will yields immediate dividends.
-[] Mind-Machine Interface Re-Examined (0/2)
Potentially interesting, but I wonder if it might be a bit of a Pandora's box.
-[] Psytech Foundings (2/4)
Definitely interesting, but hard to evaluate its worth, especially since we won't actually be able create psytech (for now, at least).
-[] Reconstruct The Shattered STC-Fragment (0/12)
Aaand the mystery box. The mystery box that would take us 9 AP to unlock.
Definitely good. Shame about expensive.
That sure sounds good. The Ashan Families aren't major movers and shakers, but they're still big enough that collaboration could be great for both sides. Plus, it helps build up our diplo-build credibility.
Not sure what to think of this one.
You know, I actually think that, despite the seeming lack of urgency, this might not be a bad idea? Having a strong army ready to will help us react quickly and decisively next time we're at war. And unless I miss my mark, we've yet to build a Karnivore War-Pack or an Augmetic Legion?
Always handy, but we're better off with this one:
Definitely something we should be doing. It may not sound urgent, but the simple fact is, having the federal navy be a step closer to full strength can mean the difference between the next war being quick and victorious, or a horrific slog.
This would be great... after we spend at least 2 research on ship equipment standardization.
I don't think there's anything to be done at the moment?
I think we can let the autocomplete handle this one?
Do we get a bonus AP whenever we create a Song, or was that a one-time thing? Because if it's the former, this isn't "spend an AP" so much as "delay an AP by 1 turn, get cool new psyker-based tricks".
Probably best not to dawdle too much on this -I'd say, either spend 1 AP to tackle the Divine Lines, or 2 AP to handle the Particularists and Anti-Particularists at the same time.
Is there a reason not to just let this auto-complete over the next few turns? Will that earn extra gratitude from the Lamenters or something?
Hm. Well, there's the ongoing Forge World infiltration...
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
[ ] Plan: The Next Generation is in sight!
-[] [General] Research
--[ ] Unstable Ore Deposits Exploitation, Chemical After-Burner Bottling, and Ancient Imperial Missile Studies
- [] [Shipwright's Alliance Trade Deal] The Glimmering Federation had a rocky initial diplomatic contact with the Shipwright's Alliance, but past years has seen that relationship smooth out significantly with regular trading between the two powers, especially through the verdant Irrita. But these trades have highlighted the ways in which each polity surpasses the other. The Glimmering Federation has a higher overall level of technology, especially as it relates to civilian, medical and heavy industry. Both are experienced shipbuilders, but the Shipwright's alliance has knowledge of many Imperial-derived techniques that surpass the capabilities of the Federation. More violent civilizations might seek to seize such advances, but both countries are war-weary and mislike the idea of fighting a potential friend in such a hostile galaxy. To that end, a proposal has been raised by the Federation Council to carry out an exchange of knowledge, where the Federation offers many fundamental technologies and manufacturing techniques in return for the shipbuilding expertise of the Alliance. However, such an exchange would empower both polities, and make any following war ever more destructive. Therefore, a parallel proposal has been made for a defensive alliance, to come to each others' aid if claimed systems are attacked. The proposal is flexible, able to be tailored to the desires of the Alliance, and contains cut-outs for if the attack was provoked by the nation under attack.
-[] [Other] The problem of Voxx Primus looms large, and the next step has to be expanding the capacity of the gang without drawing too much attention. Therefore, send more experts in agriculture as well as in getting factories and workplaces set up will be very helpful. They'll focus on weapons and armor that might pass for "The Imperial Guard has leaks" for the majority of the forces, but by better equipping them... and by having fewer limitations when it comes to the burgeoning Civilian Industry, the ever-increasing forces on Voxx Primus will be able to feed, clothe, and arm ever-greater numbers of people... and through industrial efficiency be able to do so without shortchanging the possibility of religious or otherwise education or a diversified economy.
Here's the revised plan after I gathered all the info together. This gets us that massive boost to our ship designs and keeps the Voxx Primus hole from devouring too much of our souls. Then we get the Explodium stuff and we're ready to start the Next Generation of Federation Voidship.
-[] [General] Research
--[ ] Unstable Ore Deposits Exploitation, Chemical After-Burner Bottling, and Ancient Imperial Missile Studies
- [] [Shipwright's Alliance Trade Deal] The Glimmering Federation had a rocky initial diplomatic contact with the Shipwright's Alliance, but past years has seen that relationship smooth out significantly with regular trading between the two powers, especially through the verdant Irrita. But these trades have highlighted the ways in which each polity surpasses the other. The Glimmering Federation has a higher overall level of technology, especially as it relates to civilian, medical and heavy industry. Both are experienced shipbuilders, but the Shipwright's alliance has knowledge of many Imperial-derived techniques that surpass the capabilities of the Federation. More violent civilizations might seek to seize such advances, but both countries are war-weary and mislike the idea of fighting a potential friend in such a hostile galaxy. To that end, a proposal has been raised by the Federation Council to carry out an exchange of knowledge, where the Federation offers many fundamental technologies and manufacturing techniques in return for the shipbuilding expertise of the Alliance. However, such an exchange would empower both polities, and make any following war ever more destructive. Therefore, a parallel proposal has been made for a defensive alliance, to come to each others' aid if claimed systems are attacked. The proposal is flexible, able to be tailored to the desires of the Alliance, and contains cut-outs for if the attack was provoked by the nation under attack.
-[] [Other] The problem of Voxx Primus looms large, and the next step has to be expanding the capacity of the gang without drawing too much attention. Therefore, send more experts in agriculture as well as in getting factories and workplaces set up will be very helpful. They'll focus on weapons and armor that might pass for "The Imperial Guard has leaks" for the majority of the forces, but by better equipping them... and by having fewer limitations when it comes to the burgeoning Civilian Industry, the ever-increasing forces on Voxx Primus will be able to feed, clothe, and arm ever-greater numbers of people... and through industrial efficiency be able to do so without shortchanging the possibility of religious or otherwise education or a diversified economy.
Here's the revised plan after I gathered all the info together. This gets us that massive boost to our ship designs and keeps the Voxx Primus hole from devouring too much of our souls. Then we get the Explodium stuff and we're ready to start the Next Generation of Federation Voidship.
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Hmm. Honestly speaking 2 actions for an ICS is looking very nice considering the action cost doubling. That shit is painful. We are only getting to all XX by write-ins
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Wait a fucking second, when did our Scouting Efficency drop so much, @HeroCooky ?
It was 75% thirty years ago?
It was 75% thirty years ago?
TBF, we now have a metric fuckton more ground to cover than before and we haven't gotten more scouts in literal centuries.
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I mean, yes, but in 640, thirty years ago, we were at 75%?
We haven't really expanded THAT much in 30 years?
HeroCooky
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No, you take it together with the full fleet building. They are an addition, not a Free Action.
Yes, yes it would.
Somewhere, far in the background, the sobbing of your overworked scouts can be heard.sun tzu said:
Yes, that gosh-darn blue-sky research and its uncertain outcomes!sun tzu said:
One-Time, as a blatant bribe to get you to utilize the second pillar of your nation.sun tzu said:
That is due to me forgetting to update the Scouting Efficiency every Turn. It has steadily decreased after you got the Yeeni Scout that actually just fucks off for a decade or three.
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Maybe the destroyer automation tech? Because all our scouts are technically those? We can slowly build up in it
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
We also haven't updated the scout design ever, and it lacks any equipment that would help it with scouting like endurance boosters.
Also dunno why it uses short ranged weapons like minimally boosted missiles. I like missiles but this seems like a weird place for them.
Edit: What I wouldn't give to swap our lance cost malus for a mactobattery one.
Also dunno why it uses short ranged weapons like minimally boosted missiles. I like missiles but this seems like a weird place for them.
Edit: What I wouldn't give to swap our lance cost malus for a mactobattery one.
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