Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 244 73.3%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 75 22.5%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 130 39.0%
  • Total voters
    333
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RaptorusMaximus said:
...um, so Y'all might wanna go check the updated Maps. Turns out we've got another polity called the Protectorate of Neon in the Amratur Subsector, and the fleet power for the local Eldar and Imperials in Voxx Prime have been revealed-they are (approximately) Eight Times and Four Times stronger than our entire navy, respectively.

I think that there might indeed be a Craftworld in Lone Wave, and not 'just' a Maiden World.
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Eldar hopefully won't be a problem as long as we don't mess with them. The Impedials will be a problem if we want to colonize all of the abandoned systems.

And the Protectorate of Neon is a potential problem depending on what exactly they are.
 
aceraptor said:
Eldar hopefully won't be a problem as long as we don't mess with them. The Impedials will be a problem if we want to colonize all of the abandoned systems.
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RaptorusMaximus said:
Imperials in Voxx Prime have been revealed-they are (approximately) Eight Times and Four Times stronger than our entire navy, respectively.
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HeroCooky said:
As long as they don't send ships there, or you bother them, they won't know shit.
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HeroCooky said:
Which could, potentially, take quite a while. Remember, you are in Imperium Nihilus, and the local section is, per the last time you were shown information the Candle Keepers couldn't know, ruled/directed by an old-as-balls Inquisitor angry that he is just fighting an endless retreat and evacuation where possible, without any attacks.
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I'd also remind everyone our scouting is shit and herocooky is 1000% lying to us about stuff

edit: espically about systenems we aren't even directly bordering
 
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HeroCooky said:
(Unlock the Ship Equipment [Hymns of the Machines], which has unknown DP cost.)
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@HeroCooky
Is that strictly only for the navigator song, or would it also enable the psyker-telephone song to be used by equipped ships? (Assuming we develop the song before (re)-designing the ship that will use [Hymns of the Machines])

(if its the latter, we could design the minimum required ship to be able to carry that equipment and use the hopefully low cost of such a minimum ship to produce enough of them for every planet, every of our fractal council (i.e. planet, system, sector etc), or even try to do a write in about developing that equipment for stations and planetary building)
Alectai said:
It might be a high cost, but I think it'll only need to be per-fleet in this sense. It'd be a natural role for a Fleet Expeditionary Leader to have this kind of function.
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Or a dedicated support ship.
This, spare parts manufacturing, food making, maybe that boarding teleporter for easier logistics (just teleport the spare parts and repair crew to the ship that needs support, return crew the slow way).
Add a few to the fleet (redundancy of song ability, more spare parts manufacturing + food for the fleet so that it hopefully has an effect (obviously check with Cooky beforehand)).
Alectai said:
Anyway, that aside took a bit of digging, but here's what a Void Abacus does, according to FFG Rogue Trader at least.
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And here is info from when we were offered it but chose chocolate instead:
HeroCooky said:
[] A Rho-Tau 17 Surveillance Robot STC Fragment
Basically nothing more than a pict-recorder, two legs, and a bolter stapled together with an utterly rudimentary if-then cogitator decision-making program, the Rho-Tau 17 automata would be a tremendous boon for our troops in scouting out hostile terrain, enhancing their combat capabilties, and provides extra firepower for acceptable comparative costs.
(Gain: Infantry Units are augmented with Scout Automata.)

[] A Damaged Void Abacus
Ships that brave the Warp without a Navigator are not comparable to the titanic lengths those ships can traverse. They are reduced to hopping between two systems for weeks if they wish to ensure their arrival or a singular week if their captain feels brave or foolish. But ships equipped with a Void Acabus can drastically increase the speed of their journey by four to five times as much. However, each Abacus will require a great effort by the station, as they are not cheap or easy to produce.
(Gain: The ability to produce a Void Abacus for one Action, drastically improving non-navigator Warp travel.)

[] Spiced Chocolate
"Okchinta Simga has fallen?! Quick, dispatch a Crusade to retake the world; our chocolate is grown there! We cannot lose access to that critical resource!"
-High Administrator Olaistus van Van Van.
(Gain: Genetically engineered chocolate beans that produce spiced chocolate significantly improve morale and caloric availability for your people once grown industrially while massively boosting diplomatic or subversive actions against fellow human planets and organizations.)
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(Which reminds me: @HeroCooky Is chocolate safe for our new Hyena friends?)


Also, info from the discussion, a ship with a Void Abacus is "if only barely" quicker than a ship with a Choir with the Song.
HeroCooky said:
And the Void Abacus would win out, if only barely. As long as you ignore the fact that you get psykers semi-regularly while a VA needs ro be created with an Action.
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RaptorusMaximus said:
Hm...well, I would agree that the Machine Spirit option is preferable, but it's gonna suck if we have to apply the thing to all of our ships, which is 100% a possibility, people. If that is the case, at the very least it shouldn't be more than 2 DP, but on the flip-side then we won't be able to use the Aries-Scecundus class for expeditionary fleets because we can't redesign it without a Faith Crit or else lose the Faith Weapons it mounts.

Cooky, if we did go with the 'Navigational Choirs' made up of less-capable psykers, would we be at risk of 'running out' of candidates for our Navigational Choirs if we are doing large amounts of movement? Or is the rate of attrition slow enough that it won't be a problem?
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We could still use Aries Secundus, but we would have to put a choir doing the navigator song on each of them.
 
IronBig21 said:
While our Melodies and Songs aren't leveled per-say, our Melodies are tiered. HeroCooky has also mentioned that by raising the tiers of our Melodies we can strengthen our Songs.

So if went and raised the rest of our Melodies for this song to tier II we could boost the strength and range of the Song (I think).
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If that's correct then it would be even better, because our navigator and astropath songs have a lot of overlap if I remember correctly.
 
Toboe said:
Is that strictly only for the navigator song, or would it also enable the psyker-telephone song to be used by equipped ships?
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The Astropath-Song can be used by any Choir everywhere.
Toboe said:
(Which reminds me: @HeroCooky Is chocolate safe for our new Hyena friends?)
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No, they'd have an allergic reaction to the chemicals within.
Crafter of War said:
...actually, can we make something that functions like a jumpship from Battletech? A single FTL capable ship that's able to bring along other ships that isn't capable of it?
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That's the gist of the vote. Use low-level psykers and risk deaths or get a dedicated fleet hauler ship/s.
 
HeroCooky said:
Be created by HeroCooky. :V
There shall be cuddly xenophile Yeen. But they must suffer.
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NO! I refuse to abide by this cruel injustice! We set ourselves down this path to rage against the Grimdarkness of the Galaxy and that's what we'll do! It may take the efforts of countless generations and trillions of credits, but one day, we will make it so EVERYONE will know of the delightful, sweet, succulent, melt-in-your-mouth taste of the awe-inspiring-


View: https://youtu.be/ISOly6S0OlE?si=yG20HvNNxzVHECbj
 
HeroCooky said:
The Astropath-Song can be used by any Choir everywhere.
No, they'd have an allergic reaction to the chemicals within.
That's the gist of the vote. Use low-level psykers and risk deaths or get a dedicated fleet hauler ship/s.
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The impression I get is "Less Hauler and more Pathfinder?" You get the one Ship with the advanced navigation equipment, and that can share the data across the fleet to allow everyone to move Reasonably Fast because the low level people don't need to burn out as long as you have the equipment to take the load and do the heavy lifting for them? Rather than just "Build one ship and everything else docks with it and it just goes VWORP from system to system"
 
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HeroCooky said:
The Astropath-Song can be used by any Choir everywhere.
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Yes, but this whole vote is because we don't have enough Choirs.
Or are you saying the Astropath-Song is so easy that the too-weak-for-real-Choirs (without massive burnout rates) psykers can safely form pseudo-Choirs for this specific song? (meaning we have thousands who can do it safely)

HeroCooky said:
No, they'd have an allergic reaction to the chemicals within.
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We keep befriending poor, cursed creatures that can't enjoy chocolate.
The chocolate is a sign from the Starchild to befriend those not as blessed as us!
 
Alectai said:
The impression I get is "Less Hauler and more Pathfinder?"
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Well, that's why I said "gist." :p
Toboe said:
Yes, but this whole vote is because we don't have enough Choirs.
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Okay, the Warp-GPS can be used at fleet-scales by a Choir being either boosted by machines***, or by fueling it with more power via low-level Psykers.
The Warp-PHONE can be used by any Choir, an actual Choir as you are using right now, anywhere, anytime. No slacking of standards apply.
*name* said:
can we do both? why only one?
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Because one will make the other obsolete.
 
*name* said:
how? can't they make a system where both methods work together for a better result?
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One system uses more lower-leveled Psykers, who are weaker mentally and psychically, to allow you to crew every ship.

The other uses faith/machine/ritual thingamajig to allow one Choir to affect more ships than one.

If you want, you can use both. But that'd be 50 people consinged to the Warp per trip. Minimum.
 
HeroCooky said:
Okay, the Warp-GPS can be used at fleet-scales by a Choir being either boosted by machines***, or by fueling it with more power via low-level Psykers.
The Warp-PHONE can be used by any Choir, an actual Choir as you are using right now, anywhere, anytime. No slacking of standards apply.
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Oh, so its a ship equipment to strengthen the Choirs Navigator songs to affect a whole fleet, not an equipment that lets ships without Choir do the song.
Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

Is that equipment strictly only Navigatorsong supporting, or could it theoretically also aid with other songs/melodies a Choir might do on the ship? (Like if a Choir used "The Sun" again to burn shit)
 
The Song equipment is going to have to be on a flagship. Something like this?

Current Available DP: 14

[] ??? Class Command Cruiser
-[] Length - 3.600
-[] Width - 400
-[] Acceleration - 6 Gravities -3 DP
-[] Armor - Thick Single Hull
-[] Shields - One Array
-[] Weapons - 1x Mixed Medium Hanger -2 DP, ???
-[] Equipment - Hymn of the Machines -? DP, Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations -1 DP

Up to 8 DP is set aside for the Hymn's cost.

Basically, give the ship enough guns/fighters to beat off small escorts that can catch up to it while it keeps out of the fighting since its job is to be the ferry for the task force.
 
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