What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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Ehm, just make Emps the omnisiah by prophecy! And the evil space dragon Satan that corrupted Emps and brought him onto this path.Emps noticed it to late and had to cast a piece of him off into the stars. His compassion is the star child, and we are the chosen ones to bring it home to its people and nation!
 
Well aside from the amount of sad faithful, it's good that the truth is coming out about the true extent of what the Emperor did to make his Imperium. A creation that was rotten from the start.
 
We could say the Omnissiah is more of an ideal than an individual. The dragon might have inspired it but hasn't lived up to it. The machine god is the embodiment of knowledge and pursuit of betterment. We could say that even if they weren't the god it doesn't mean their efforts are worthless. The machine god might very well be real and separate from them. We already say they are part of the star child. If nothing else say their actions and efforts validate their faith and uphold the ideals they have.
 
So, while knowing that Big E isn't the Omnisiah and doesn't like being worshiped is a bad thing (and the Omni is non-existent), it is fixable. It just depends on if we know that the Eldar created their gods-- if we know that, we can lean into it as a case of 'we are God-Crafting' the Warp tends to run on stories after all.
 
[] Plan: We are calling manger for this
-[] [Free] We were: Life of the man who became the Emperor
-[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Palace of Stars)
-[] [Free] Change the ISC to Sales Club Wholesalers

-[] [Faith] Revise The Droman Creed
-[] [Faith] An Unborn Guide Sought Out: Boss, with all due respect, what the fuck and why the fuck (see above)? Please we need your input.
-[] [Faith] Sigils (Input 5 Sigils)
--[] [We][Chill][Self]
--[] [Them][Drink][Withering][Hurt]
--[] [Parent/s][Grow][Joy][Faith][Offspring]
--[] [Flower][Nutrition][Health][Place]
--[] [Righteous][Impale][Core][Them]


I want to see if taking all faith actions will do something and given the importance of Emperor to our creed I want triple nail that shit into never being a problem ever again; also sigils are one of our capstones (?) and we barely used it
We need 1 of the 3 actions to keep dev on track. Don't abandon the ship.
 
By the way guys I know that the last plan's title was: If You Vote For This Plan, You Hard Commit To The Next Four To Six Turns Being Pure Development, Barring Extraordinary Circumstances. You Also Know This Is A Net-Negative In Terms Of Turn Count. Do Not Complain, Do Not Bring Up Other Stuff To Do Until We Are Done. This Is The Last Stop Before The Train Begins...

And we all voted knowing that (the title is pretty self explanatory) BUT considering how much the gacha turn paid off, that we have already saved a whole turn and that we have enough 50% discounts to carry all beyond the all XX in everything except food production...

MAAAYBE we can level up food production as well or at least put enough 50% discounts to get us to level XX if we go for a last round of gatcha to 3 of these places
Flowergarden/Supple Slumber/Webbed Nests/Earthen Nuts/
 
[] Plan: Unfuck the Faith
-[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Rue)
-[] [Free] Change the ISC to Sales Club Wholesalers
-[] [Free] Focus We Were on the ancient life of the Emperor. Who was he? What happened? What's up with the whole Omnissiah thing?
-[] [Free] Put the thousand choirs from Legacy of the Federation and The Deliverance back into Love Unto Death
-[] [Free][Psykana] Melodies (0.8/1 - Auto Complete)
--[] Thule III
-[] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[] Heavy Industry XIX (1/1) - Not using the 50% Discount
--[] Void Industry XXI (2/2) - 1st 50% Discount
--[] Void Industry XXII (2/2) - 2nd 50% Discount (mechadendrite action)
-[] [Faith] Revise The Droman Creed
--[] Our Faith has carried us through the darkness and towards the promised light. If the foundations are flawed, they must be rebuilt lest it endanger the demonstrated power of our Faith. We will move away from the worship of the Emperor-that-was and towards the worship of the Child-that-will-be.

I could be convinced to do a sigils action or an ask the starchild action instead of 2 void development. But darn it all we gotta do this turn to keep dev on track is 1 heavy industry action and swapping the ISC. So that's a minimum.
 
Look I'm trying but I've been in a state of 12 hours a day sleeping despite my efforts to fix it and what time I have left is split between everything else I need to do. I've got a bit more work on the Lamenter Fleet still, then I'll get to the Kil'drabi redesigns.
 
Added the missing Sites and rewards.

Much need to panic, actually. You worship the dude as a divine entity, and just found out he systematically killed everyone that proclaimed such when he was alive, to the point he manually exterminatus'd a planet to make that point. At the same time, he lied to the Mechanicus about being the Omnissiah to get fucking fleets faster. This is Serious Stuff where theology is concerned. "I Will Stab People Over This" levels of seriousness.

Clearly the Big E is both human and divine at the same time, and therefore the imperfections just contrast with his divinity? Like how Jesus got really angry at an olive tree, except it's "Being a Fascist Genocidal Warlord."

The worship of the man Empeeor created the god called Emperor (against the will of the man Emperor) and the good parts of said god Emperor are the Emperor in our faith.

The Omnissiah is a worshipped truth not related to the man Emperor except for man Emperor heretically claiming to be it.

A great good coming from a flawed beginning.
Like the Glimmering Federation started with the Prophet Teeln and Chaptermaster Chyron leading a revolution against Chaos in Dromastation.
That the man Emperor was a dipshit doesn't make the Starchild any less, like Dromastation being a Chaosstation before we kicked Chaos out doesn't make Stargrove Federation any less.

I mean, we do know about the power of prayer -> faith and we do know of good warp-beings (the motholm "gods")
 
Regarding the bombshell, it might be an own goal, but one I am narratively happy to trigger now? (When Emps is dead, Chaos will likely be free to trigger this bomb)

Next turn, what do people think of burning a We Were charge on "when, and why, did Star Child's Birth become inevitable" assuming that is not already covered?

Edit:
Also, we should switch back to Green Horizons or New Dawn, since unless we are now planning for Heavy Dev XXV we can just eat the 50% bonii instead?

And New Dawn would likely reduce the amount of actions to clear our current research backlog (monofilament, Anti Psykana Materials, Null Thoughts, Sigils 2 and the Infantry Equipment Upgrades)
 
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Regarding the bombshell, it might be an own goal, but one I am narratively happy to trigger now? (When Emps is dead, Chaos will likely be free to trigger this bomb)

Next turn, what do people think of burning a We Were charge on "when, and why, did Star Child's Birth become inevitable" assuming that is not already covered?

Edit:
Also, we should switch back to Green Horizons or New Dawn, since unless we are now planning for Heavy Dev XXV we can just eat the 50% bonii instead?

And New Dawn would likely reduce the amount of actions to clear our current research backlog (monofilament, Anti Psykana Materials, Null Thoughts, Sigils 2 and the Infantry Equipment Upgrades)
Switching ISCs applies next turn, not this turn. We need to plan a turn in advance. And we need to swap to the other ISCs for medical and food production.
 
Switching ISCs applies next turn, not this turn. We need to plan a turn in advance.
I see, thanks for the correction.

Would you mind asking Star Child either whether there are theology bombshells left after this, or a report card on our Tyranid preparations so far and IC knowledge of them being our threat?
Worried we don't have enough evacuation fleets, as I expect to lose Sub Sectors every "Turn" then in the initial push given our and the Duchy's sizes, and the fact that Tyranids are an Epilogue boss.

Likewise, we should probably share the intel we got with the Alliance of Sanity, so they don't get blindsided if it ever comes up?



@HeroCooky Got a few more questions for you, that will hopefully be relevant for Turn planning:
1) With that 10x Healing Speed Song, how often can our Choirs use Star now? Or would their time be better served with Black Hole or the Void Titan Songs?

2) Is there any way to get the Duchy to give us hints on Null Thoughts (12 Actions left after Generational Works iirc)?
Was thinking of either a trade of Sigils, or x1 We Were Charge after pointing out the benefits it has given us.

3) To see them in the Epilogue, do we need to make Warfare Symphonies now? Likewise, can we make a Symphony without activating it (since we don't actually need those now)?

4) If we offer to help scout every last square inch of our ally territory for surprises with like x50 SBGs, would they accept? Or should we just stick with helping them finish their campaigns, and giving Choirs for Chaos Detection?
 
Voting is open gang.

Also, damn. We just went in and fucking broke the Inquisition's nose. FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT GW PLOT ARMOR SHIT!!!

AND WE GOT THE V-TUBERS AGAIN!!! TRUE GOOD ENDING UNLOCKED!!!!
 
-[] Food Production XVI (0/2) - [3x 50% Discount]
-[] Civilian Infrastructure XXI (0/2) - [4x 50% Discounts]
-[] Heavy Industry XIX (0/2) - [2x 50% Discounts]
-[] Void Industry XXI (0/2) - [4x 50% Discounts]
-[] Medical Services XVII (0/2) - [5x 50% Discount]
-[] Military Industry XX (0/2) - [4x 50% Discount]
Wow, okay, that nap and dinner took a lot longer than I thought.

Let's put things together -- Food Production needs 5 Actions to reach 19.
Heavy Industry needs 1. DO NOT USE A 50%
Medical Services is hilarious -- just needs 3 Actions.
Military needs none.

So altogether, we just need 9 Actions. However, Warp's high, and we don't know if it'll go down, so we may want to consider leaving a single 50% in each category to reach 19.

Heavy Industry, Military Industry, and Medical Services can do this trivially. Once again, do not use the 50% boost for Heavy Industry, we don't want to trigger a Milestone.

For Food Production, if we're not using a 50% to save for the big turn, we can flip on the ISC.

XVI (1 Action) + XVII (1 Action) + XVIII (1 Action + 1st Mechandrite Action) + XIX (2 Actions (ISC Action + 2nd Full Mechandrite Action)

Medical Services is... just spend 3 actions, we can straight up do 2 Actions + Mechandrite + have a free one.

Yay, at least 2/3 of the ISCs I made are put to use!

So actually, Dev is going to be 4 turns, including this one.

Heavy Industry (1 Action) this turn
Food Production (6 Actions) next turn
Medical Services (3 Actions) turn after, no ISC needed.
Wrap-up (4 Actions) turn after, no Tribal Warfare Needed.

Let's fucking go.

[] Plan: Unfuck the Faith
-[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Rue)
-[] [Free] Change the ISC to Sales Club Wholesalers
-[] [Free] Focus We Were on the ancient life of the Emperor. Who was he? What happened? What's up with the whole Omnissiah thing?
-[] [Free] Put the thousand choirs from Legacy of the Federation and The Deliverance back into Love Unto Death
-[] [Free][Psykana] Melodies (0.8/1 - Auto Complete)
--[] Thule III
-[] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[] Heavy Industry XIX (1/1) - Not using the 50% Discount
--[] Void Industry XXI (2/2) - 1st 50% Discount
--[] Void Industry XXII (2/2) - 2nd 50% Discount (mechadendrite action)
-[] [Faith] Revise The Droman Creed
--[] Our Faith has carried us through the darkness and towards the promised light. If the foundations are flawed, they must be rebuilt lest it endanger the demonstrated power of our Faith. We will move away from the worship of the Emperor-that-was and towards the worship of the Child-that-will-be.

I could be convinced to do a sigils action or an ask the starchild action instead of 2 void development. But darn it all we gotta do this turn to keep dev on track is 1 heavy industry action and swapping the ISC. So that's a minimum.
This looks good to me. I'm similarly flexible on the flex action -- I think seriously talking to our God about our Faith isn't a bad idea too. Not a general "what the fuck," but like...

Let's talk about some ground truths.

Our God is real -- we see it with our Living Saints, our Songs, our protection against Chaos, so on and so forth. Our God is good, too, in healing the Lamenters, their various miracles, their guidance towards us. And finally, our literal opening option for Star Child is that the God Emperor will die to become a worthy God for mankind.

So yes, the Emperor is an unworthy man with unworthy works. We saw that when we sent Operation: DELIVERANCE, we saw it with the Diaconate. The Imperium is a rotting shithole, and we saw that the work to create it was one no less stinking.

But guess what. The Star Child IS worthy. And uh

Star Child: Protection III, Fire III, The Sun V, Humanity III, Creativity III, Song III, The Home III, Logic III, Unity III, Progress III, Compassion III, Hope III, Health III, Death III, Justice III, Wisdom III, Innovation III, Machinery III, Ruthlessness III, Brutality III, Mercy III, The Star, and Love III.
The Star Child, beyond all their good stuff, is EVIDENTLY connected to machinery, to knowledge, to creation, to all the stuff the Omnissiah was connected to.

Who is to say that the God of Humanity is not also the God of all Human Things? INCLUDING Human Knowledge?

The God Emperor is a liar, but the Star Child will not be one.

As for why the Star Child may not have immediately revealed all of this to us... we don't think that the Star Child is omniscient, nor omnipotent. That would be stupid -- Chaos still exists after all. They're an unborn God after all, doing what they can. Things may not have been revealed to them yet! They're obviously busy, fighting Chaos, protecting us, trying to be born. Some flaws and mistakes have slipped through, and that's fine. We know that the Star Child does not ask for unquestioning obedience from us, for that is the fate of the Imperium. So let's question, work through things together, etc.

So yeah -- the God Emperor may not have been the Omnissiah, but do we not have them in separate instances in the Droman Creed (yes I know they're indivisible but like)

But the Star Child undoubtedly has the Emps as part of them -- why not the Omnissiah?

I think this logic squares.
 
[X] Plan: Unfuck the Faith
-[X] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Rue)
-[X] [Free] Change the ISC to Sales Club Wholesalers
-[X] [Free] Focus We Were on the ancient life of the Emperor. Who was he? What happened? What's up with the whole Omnissiah thing?
-[X] [Free] Put the thousand choirs from Legacy of the Federation and The Deliverance back into Love Unto Death
-[X] [Free][Psykana] Melodies (0.8/1 - Auto Complete)
--[X] Thule III
-[X] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[X] Heavy Industry XIX (1/1) - Not using the 50% Discount
--[X] Void Industry XXI (2/2) - 1st 50% Discount
--[X] Void Industry XXII (2/2) - 2nd 50% Discount (mechadendrite action)
-[X] [Faith] Revise The Droman Creed
--[X] Our Faith has carried us through the darkness and towards the promised light. If the foundations are flawed, they must be rebuilt lest it endanger the demonstrated power of our Faith. We will move away from the worship of the Emperor-that-was and towards the worship of the Child-that-will-be.

[X] Plan: Unfuck the Faith, and Sigils!
-[X] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Rue)
-[X] [Free] Change the ISC to Sales Club Wholesalers
-[X] [Free] Focus We Were on the ancient life of the Emperor. Who was he? What happened? What's up with the whole Omnissiah thing?
-[X] [Free] Put the thousand choirs from Legacy of the Federation and The Deliverance back into Love Unto Death
-[X] [Free][Psykana] Melodies (0.8/1 - Auto Complete)
--[X] Thule III
-[X] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[X] Heavy Industry XIX (1/1) - Not using the 50% Discount
-[X] [Faith] Sigils (Input 5 Sigils)
--[X] [We][Chill][Self]
--[X] [Them][Drink][Withering][Hurt]
--[X] [Parent/s][Grow][Joy][Faith][Offspring]
--[X] [Flower][Nutrition][Health][Place]
--[X] [Righteous][Impale][Core][Them]
-[X] [Faith] Revise The Droman Creed
--[X] Our Faith has carried us through the darkness and towards the promised light. If the foundations are flawed, they must be rebuilt lest it endanger the demonstrated power of our Faith. We will move away from the worship of the Emperor-that-was and towards the worship of the Child-that-will-be.

I'm not certain the write-in for faith is correct, and I may change it later. I'm also using @Profilozof's sigils for the second plan.
 
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