Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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There are very few things that bring me as much joy as the Lamenters half accidentally stumbling into Legion building. Something which our expansion is probably going to speed up. Since they seem to like having a garrison in each of our systems incase any gribblies show up.
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Looking at the URL (dead image btw because Wikis) damn, we've got Vulture Droids now! And yeah, humans too easily empathize with things strike again, but overall extremely significant force multipliers for our Voidcraft. This combined with our 4th Gen Strikecraft from the NecronTech is going to be uuuuuuuuuuuugly.
Literal deathball swarms. I look forward to you using Ace Combat music in future updates -- I can't help but feel Megalith Agnus Dei might be fairly appropriate for this quest.
lmao
Hmmmm. Diplomacy might be back on the menu, but I feel people are still more on board for military buildup.
Rest well! Thanks for all your hard work!
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We could do that? Okay never mind that. Are they still fighting the Dark Eldar? Not to belabour anything but a stealth fleet isn't necessarily a bad idea not that we should go beat someone up for their tech…but because they deserve to be beaten up
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The plans have pretty much converged except for the agenda.
[][Agendas] The Star Navy
"increasing the throughput of Glimmering Shipyards" and "incorporate the technologies already acquired across the Navy in one go". Streamlines and improves a military build-up.
[][Agendas] The Diplomatic Service
"drastically speed up the incorporation of the Confederacy, Black Cats, and Ascendancy", "closer relationships with the Mashan and Duchy" and "the Subversion Ministry would be empowered to seek the long-term and wide-ranging subversion of entire Sub-Sectors". Allies in wars and Passive colonization of unaligned sub-sectors.
[][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
"fully crack the Veil in favor of the Federation and the adherents of the Star Child united under their gaze and stewardship.", probably unlocks a bunch of new psykana we can research, including active calming of the warp. Likely lets us sing symphonies a LOT more.
[][Agendas] The Star-Mechanicum
"fully taking their efforts off the budget of the Federation" Gives research an auto-ticker.
So. Those are our choices, and they're all incredible. I'm honestly very split. They're all good. Scratch that, they're all amazing. It's really a very hard choice. However, I think the diplomatic service and the choir are the sleeper picks:
For diplomatic service it means we'll almost certainly not go to war with the duchy and in fact will be allied with them against Nurgle, and allied against the Mashan against Slaanesh. We'll also integrate the confederacy/Black ash quicker, growing our productive base. AND IT GIVES US AN AUTO-TICKER THAT GIVES US SUB-SECTORS.
The Choir is also great because our symphonies are so powerful, and this is what lets us do them more/constantly. A Cry for the Future makes 7-action turns the norm. Including ones with tons of military actions. So though the Star Navy improves the efficency of our actions, The Celestial Choir just lets us throw twice as many actions at military if we need to, while being more flexible and fun. Also the Great Awakening Choirs are just hitting, and that means we're likely to have about a thousand free choirs soon, and this route lets us utilize them. This is the route to always having a symphony on.
I'm just less hype about the technology & military. They make us better at things we're already doing, but they don't give us entirely new capabilities. I think I come down on [][Agendas] The Celestial Choir, but it's a close decision between that and Diplomatic Service.
[] Plan: The Glimmerlings Awaken
-[][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[][As Cats Do] Agree
-[][The Clans Who Live]
--[] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
@aceraptor I liked your write-in, so I combined it with mine. And I'm very much still planning to build up military with this plan - the idea is to turn on Cry for the Future, then do 7-action military turns.
[][Agendas] The Star Navy
"increasing the throughput of Glimmering Shipyards" and "incorporate the technologies already acquired across the Navy in one go". Streamlines and improves a military build-up.
[][Agendas] The Diplomatic Service
"drastically speed up the incorporation of the Confederacy, Black Cats, and Ascendancy", "closer relationships with the Mashan and Duchy" and "the Subversion Ministry would be empowered to seek the long-term and wide-ranging subversion of entire Sub-Sectors". Allies in wars and Passive colonization of unaligned sub-sectors.
[][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
"fully crack the Veil in favor of the Federation and the adherents of the Star Child united under their gaze and stewardship.", probably unlocks a bunch of new psykana we can research, including active calming of the warp. Likely lets us sing symphonies a LOT more.
[][Agendas] The Star-Mechanicum
"fully taking their efforts off the budget of the Federation" Gives research an auto-ticker.
So. Those are our choices, and they're all incredible. I'm honestly very split. They're all good. Scratch that, they're all amazing. It's really a very hard choice. However, I think the diplomatic service and the choir are the sleeper picks:
For diplomatic service it means we'll almost certainly not go to war with the duchy and in fact will be allied with them against Nurgle, and allied against the Mashan against Slaanesh. We'll also integrate the confederacy/Black ash quicker, growing our productive base. AND IT GIVES US AN AUTO-TICKER THAT GIVES US SUB-SECTORS.
The Choir is also great because our symphonies are so powerful, and this is what lets us do them more/constantly. A Cry for the Future makes 7-action turns the norm. Including ones with tons of military actions. So though the Star Navy improves the efficency of our actions, The Celestial Choir just lets us throw twice as many actions at military if we need to, while being more flexible and fun. Also the Great Awakening Choirs are just hitting, and that means we're likely to have about a thousand free choirs soon, and this route lets us utilize them. This is the route to always having a symphony on.
I'm just less hype about the technology & military. They make us better at things we're already doing, but they don't give us entirely new capabilities. I think I come down on [][Agendas] The Celestial Choir, but it's a close decision between that and Diplomatic Service.
[] Plan: The Glimmerlings Awaken
-[][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[][As Cats Do] Agree
-[][The Clans Who Live]
--[] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
@aceraptor I liked your write-in, so I combined it with mine. And I'm very much still planning to build up military with this plan - the idea is to turn on Cry for the Future, then do 7-action military turns.
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Alright, just looking at Neablis' post--I just want to ask Cooky this.
What exactly are we getting out of this? Are we getting unique bonuses (i.e. are we locked out of anti-Psykana or whatnot if we don't pick it), or is it "just" efficiency bonuses and free drip / shortened AP timers on stuff we pick?
I feel it's the latter, but I feel this is important vote-wise.
Edit: Pinging @HeroCooky just in case
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Unfortunately I think Cooky is asleep. But based on the update, I think each bonus is in 2-parts.
1. For military it's improved ship production ("increasing the throughput of Glimmering Shipyards") and also free technology-refits ("incorporate the technologies already acquired across the Navy in one go")
2. For diplomacy it's better diplomacy ("drastically speed up the incorporation"/"closer relationships with the Mashan and Duchy") & subversion of entire sub-sectors ("Subversion Ministry would be empowered to seek the long-term and wide-ranging subversion of entire Sub-Sectors"
3. For Choirs it's improved efficiency ("breakthroughs in the fields of Psykana") and likely calming the warp ("anti-Psykana, seeking to fully crack the Veil in favor of the Federation.")
4. For research it's automatic research (" fully taking their efforts off the budget of the Federation") & also new and crazy research options ("research of esoteric and wide-ranging projects").
And of all of those things the one I want the most is the Choirs one.
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Hmm this might be the analysis paralysis talking but how do we feel about me rolling a D4 and us all going and voting for that hmm?
EDIT: Navy it is I guess
EDIT: Navy it is I guess
I think that's ultimately fair, I guess we'll see if Cooky wakes up and answers in the morning.
Personally, I get the appeal on wanting to get Psykana going, considering Class Is In Session is so cracked, Psykana is clearly meant to be our most critical core mechanic. It's part of why I wanted A Tribe Named Sword and similar as well -- if we're making a Crusade Fleet we'll want a Military Symphony or similar. We don't have a lot of military-oriented songs (I guess Heartbeat of Industry has it), although we do have a lot of anti-Chaos songs like Paths Without Treason and Dirge for the Innocent.
Like, if what you say is correct, I'll break for either Diplo or Choirs, but if not, I really just think Military is the best idea.
Might want a specific @ question then. They don't always see the whole thread before closing the vote.
[X] Plan: The Glimmering Awakening
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live]
--[X] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
This vote is based on my reasoning here and here that the Celestial Choir is best because psykana is our unique faction mechanic and it will let us use the symphonies more, which will mean we have twice the actions to throw at things, as well as more flexible and specific bonuses to war etc.
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live]
--[X] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Celestial Choir
This vote is based on my reasoning here and here that the Celestial Choir is best because psykana is our unique faction mechanic and it will let us use the symphonies more, which will mean we have twice the actions to throw at things, as well as more flexible and specific bonuses to war etc.
[X] Plan: Prepare for the Coming Storm
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Tumbling Voidspheres
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live] (Write in): While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Star Navy
Here's my plan. I want to really focus on our navy. We've always focused on research and building tall and we've only ever actually built the military up when there's a actual crisis or some threat hits us in the face. We've been lucky enough to have other states as ablative armor but honestly, we need to stop neglecting the military.
While the Celestial Choir is important and useful to focus on, I highly doubt that we can have Symphonies on all the time. I definitely think that the idea that we'll be able to have Symphonies on all the time by taking the Celestial Choir focus is definitely overselling things.
With the Navy focus we should be able to revamp our entire fleet with new designs using fewer design actions and be able to push our a massive fleet from the shipyards much more quickly.
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Tumbling Voidspheres
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live] (Write in): While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Star Navy
Here's my plan. I want to really focus on our navy. We've always focused on research and building tall and we've only ever actually built the military up when there's a actual crisis or some threat hits us in the face. We've been lucky enough to have other states as ablative armor but honestly, we need to stop neglecting the military.
While the Celestial Choir is important and useful to focus on, I highly doubt that we can have Symphonies on all the time. I definitely think that the idea that we'll be able to have Symphonies on all the time by taking the Celestial Choir focus is definitely overselling things.
With the Navy focus we should be able to revamp our entire fleet with new designs using fewer design actions and be able to push our a massive fleet from the shipyards much more quickly.
For now, I'll support
[X] Plan: Prepare for the Coming Storm
But I'll change my mind if Cooky clarifies otherwise in the morning.
We've done our big long-term stuff, and right now we need to prepare before we get over-fucked hard. Choirs probably have the better long-term thing, but we need to kill shit bad.
Next turn's locked up, but the turn after we're dumping AP into military -- no more delays, Agenda or not.
With Heartbeat of Industry, we should be able to dump 3 AP to get 4 AP's worth of DP out of ship design, leaving us 1.5 AP for general actions with Mechandrite.
[X] Plan: Prepare for the Coming Storm
But I'll change my mind if Cooky clarifies otherwise in the morning.
We've done our big long-term stuff, and right now we need to prepare before we get over-fucked hard. Choirs probably have the better long-term thing, but we need to kill shit bad.
Next turn's locked up, but the turn after we're dumping AP into military -- no more delays, Agenda or not.
With Heartbeat of Industry, we should be able to dump 3 AP to get 4 AP's worth of DP out of ship design, leaving us 1.5 AP for general actions with Mechandrite.
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[X] Plan: Prepare for the Coming Storm
[X] Plan: The Glimmering Awakening Their Fleets
[X] Plan: The Glimmering Awakening Their Fleets
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I don't think there's been a specific question to the QM on this, so I'm going to make one.
@HeroCooky Earlier you seemed to say that the only outcome of the Agenda would be which sector got more efficient.
My read of the update suggests that the bonuses are a little bit more nuanced than that:
Can you clarify? The thought is that if it's just "Increased Efficiency" then we take military, but if my interpretation above is more correct then we should do Celestial Choirs.
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HeroCooky
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The chosen sector gets you more bang for your buck. Some by more Actions oer Action, others by cracking open the lid for different tools to use.
All are temporary boosts. ~10 Turns or so.
Yeah. I'm still firmly on military. We *NEED* a massive build up of military. Our current fleet stands at less than half of the Shipwrights Grove's known fleet and the Chaos forces are far, far bigger. And we are about to get into a drag out, knock out fight with basically all three Chaos cults within the said next 10 turns.
We need the military build up. Psykana is all well and good but we need the Star Navy's boost more. We've been way too damn complacent with our military when we've known for so long that Chaos was coming for us with their cults taking over subsector after subsector.
We need the military build up. Psykana is all well and good but we need the Star Navy's boost more. We've been way too damn complacent with our military when we've known for so long that Chaos was coming for us with their cults taking over subsector after subsector.
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[X] Plan: Prepare for the Coming Storm
[X] Plan: The Glimmering Awakening Their Fleets
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live]
--[X] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Star Navy
I value mobility boost for everything more than I value missiles, but otherwise agree with taking the navy. So compromise plan is here.
-[X][Black-Green Ships] Infused Missile Payloads
-[X][Black-Green Study] Give Them Time
-[X][As Cats Do] Agree
-[X][The Clans Who Live]
--[X] While the majority of the Clans that live are not receptive to our words and entreaties, there are those that are at worst neutral to it. Interact with and support them. Provide food, water and medicine so that they may grow and prosper. Study the land and provide what assistance they are willing to accept to enable them to grow more food of their own. If they are attacked by others, weapons can be offered for self defense. In the end as years goes by those who refuse the help of the Federation will be outnumbered by those that see the Federation as friend.
--[X] Provide funds and support for Faith Orders to provide medical and social services to care for those outcast from the Clans, and conver them to follow the Star-Child.
--[X] Send missionaries amongst the clans to preach of the star child and the benefits of worship. Equip and train them to survive the landscapes, and charge them to watch for chaos corruption, as well as bringing those in need of aid to the Faith Orders for healing and help.
-[X][Navy of Eternity] Sell.
-[X][Agendas] The Star Navy
I value mobility boost for everything more than I value missiles, but otherwise agree with taking the navy. So compromise plan is here.
Hmm. So more efficiency for military, but at a good time for it. We don't miss out on permanent psykana upgrades. And as much as I'd like to double down on symphonies, probably our actions are going to be mostly dedicated to diplomacy & military for the near future. We shouldn't be too far off from integrating the confederacy, and we're close to getting the Black Ash.
But at the end of the day - yeah, we're going to be doing a lot of military actions, might as well boost those.
I think I'm more on the side of having mobility over missiles. Our missiles aren't our real killers. Those are our fighters & lances, so we should get the mobility boost in order to improve all of the dodge-tanking we do. @Alectai Do you agree? Or is missile DPS better?
[X] Plan: The Glimmering Awakening Their Fleets