Skitterdoc 2077
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It would make them more cautious and upset, sure. But Wakako didn't cut off ties with the Claws because of what Arasaka did to her grandchild, and the Claws didn't cut off ties with her despite how all of her Tyger husbands have 'mysteriously' died. Of course, Wakako also helped V and Goro strike back against the corporation discreetly, even if she underestimated just how far V would go. There's a nuance to these things. It wouldn't likely have the Tyger Claws cut off ties or anything, but the Claws would definitely find ways to get back their pounds of flesh.
You can't just 'film' a braindance like that.
It requires special implants and gear, and needs to be a live recording - and not from memories.
You can edit recordings, make them up whole-cloth, but a proper recording like that isn't just something you can do on the fly.
(edit)Sorry, I was in a very big argument over this on another thread, mixed up Shadowrun and Cyberpunk, and went over the specific details to make sure I didn't mistake it again.
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Kek. I just caught, that netrunner guy was so relieved there was a logical reason for her to immediately pull out that gonk's brain when she was just asked to access the implant said gonk had. Only the mook with poor English had the balls to ask!
That awkward moment. "Is this normal for her? Does she actually take out most people's brains under anesthesia and just puts them back afterwards? What the hell? No, seriously, what the hell!?"
That awkward moment. "Is this normal for her? Does she actually take out most people's brains under anesthesia and just puts them back afterwards? What the hell? No, seriously, what the hell!?"
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Ah, a shame. I was wondering what the braindance of Taylor spectators was gonna be like.
And no one thinks, "Why does this not-a-ripperdock have a brain life support device in her closet, does she scav brains?"
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TheOmnimercurial
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Taylor needs a Van to auto process getting the useful bits n pieces from those she Flatlines....
Hmmm
Maybe she could subcontract to Nightcorp as part of their "Justice" system?
Like this?
View: https://youtu.be/aGntZCCGkLk
Hmmm
Maybe she could subcontract to Nightcorp as part of their "Justice" system?
Like this?
View: https://youtu.be/aGntZCCGkLk
Suggestion.
A weapon that would be usable in cyberpunk that we really cannot use due to recoil considerations would be large gauge shotguns in the 4 or 6 gauge range. Slugs could have truly scary stats... like 17000 ft lb of energy. 4 gauge traveling at around 1600 ft per second. You have almost an inch in size and around 3000 grains of projectile to play with too, so very flexible. Recoil would be intense but recoil mitigation tech and things like gorilla arms would make it feasible and really sub-dermal armor wouldn't matter too much with the kind of numbers this type of weapon would produce. please check out the ks-23k Russian shotgun which is just a hair over 6 gauge with its 7 round clip. This really would be a type of man portable cannon. I also remember an Austrailian university posting videos of experiments they did with high friction recoil absorption tech... they were firing 80mm plastic rounds... (a .50 Bmg round has around 10000 ft lb of energy) ;-)
A weapon that would be usable in cyberpunk that we really cannot use due to recoil considerations would be large gauge shotguns in the 4 or 6 gauge range. Slugs could have truly scary stats... like 17000 ft lb of energy. 4 gauge traveling at around 1600 ft per second. You have almost an inch in size and around 3000 grains of projectile to play with too, so very flexible. Recoil would be intense but recoil mitigation tech and things like gorilla arms would make it feasible and really sub-dermal armor wouldn't matter too much with the kind of numbers this type of weapon would produce. please check out the ks-23k Russian shotgun which is just a hair over 6 gauge with its 7 round clip. This really would be a type of man portable cannon. I also remember an Austrailian university posting videos of experiments they did with high friction recoil absorption tech... they were firing 80mm plastic rounds... (a .50 Bmg round has around 10000 ft lb of energy) ;-)
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Interesting but could you add a metric version as I and Alot of people have no real reference for the imperial measurements
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spider-bots lets gooo!
For any future diehard information brokers: Did you hear about our *translated japanese world* - Chirurg? don't be the gonk that ended as a brain in a jar with unsecured USB port.
The strapped brainless body is still alive isn't it? with the heart monitor managing it's beating. pumpkin IV liquids and lungs still breathing?. i believe some already mentioned but parts? shame it dosnt have legs, some fingers, its beaten to pulp, and missing its eyes, with the top of his head. is there anything salvagable?
Btw the brain in a jar have its digital storage sinchs with it. i suppose using it for spiderbot would be a shame,. but there is a brainless cyborg in dadstorage isn't it? it would be very nice to have such automaton be the door working as receptions slash bodyguard. it would be lethal to stupid gongs trying shit and has a very nice memory storage to manage your day to day visits and visitors
Brain surgery with as of yet unexplored data center and a body to play with.. shard bliss...
For any future diehard information brokers: Did you hear about our *translated japanese world* - Chirurg? don't be the gonk that ended as a brain in a jar with unsecured USB port.
The strapped brainless body is still alive isn't it? with the heart monitor managing it's beating. pumpkin IV liquids and lungs still breathing?. i believe some already mentioned but parts? shame it dosnt have legs, some fingers, its beaten to pulp, and missing its eyes, with the top of his head. is there anything salvagable?
Btw the brain in a jar have its digital storage sinchs with it. i suppose using it for spiderbot would be a shame,. but there is a brainless cyborg in dadstorage isn't it? it would be very nice to have such automaton be the door working as receptions slash bodyguard. it would be lethal to stupid gongs trying shit and has a very nice memory storage to manage your day to day visits and visitors
Brain surgery with as of yet unexplored data center and a body to play with.. shard bliss...
Guy then runs into same Hot Girl giving check ups in Clouds.
A bit late in responding on my part, but. Um.
You've got some misconceptions about biology, I think. 'Muscle memory' just refers to a kind of memory in the brain, just like all other memory. They are not in muscles, or the limbs, or the spine. All the way up there in the brain, sorry.
Reflexes, I'll grant you, do not always involve the brain-- but those reflexes are always incredibly simplistic, dumb reactions like recoiling from pain. "Reflexive" behavior more complex than that is, much like muscle memory, a misnomer-- it's brain stuff. Think about it -- you can't dodge a bad guy (or his attack) without seeing him, with your visual cortex, in your brain, where your eyes go.
So no. A martial skill chip working through the brain would not be magic. It'd be the same as non-chip martial skill.
SolipsistSerpent
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When I read this line I could practically hear Wakako thinking "Oh right, this brilliant young doctor and professional edgerunner is technically still in her teens." And then feeling smug that she has her hormones under control, unlike them youngsters.
Ace Dreamer
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Thinking about this, does Taylor need to be sneaky about some of her treatments?
TL;DR Fluids need to be used with caution after massive blood loss.
The big one I wondered about was deliberately crashing the core temperature of patients. Evidence suggests that when this happens by accident, such as 'trapped underwater below ice', or 'chilled by freezing weather', it is sometimes possible to revive with no long-term effects except short-term memory loss. People who stopped breathing for up to an hour have made a full recovery, possibly longer for the 'chilled' ones. Yes, chilling is in current use in heart surgery, but Taylor might have the database to make far more drastic use of this. Sticking more than just severed bits in ice to enable later surgical reattachment. 10degC/50degF seems a useful temperature...
Also, partial revival of pig brains / heads, hours after death, while kept at room temperature. Suggests that brains, and likely other organs, might be fully revived if properly treated, whereas currently written-off as 'dead mush'...
TL;DR Be cautious about mixing real-world science/medicine in with your fictionals.
Treatment For Severe Blood Loss: Less Is More
Date: May 13, 2008 Source: UC San Diego
Summary:
Intravenous administration of isotonic fluids is the standard emergency treatment in the U.S. for patients with severe blood loss, but now bioengineering researchers have reported improved resuscitation with a radically different approach. Building on earlier studies in humans that have shown benefits of intravenous fluids that are eight times saltier than normal saline, the researchers combined hypertonic saline with viscosity enhancers that thicken blood.
From: Science Daily.
I can't find another article I was looking for, which was about recovery being more likely if adding fluids after massive blood loss was carefully controlled...
But, I thought this was an interesting article.
Date: May 13, 2008 Source: UC San Diego
Summary:
Intravenous administration of isotonic fluids is the standard emergency treatment in the U.S. for patients with severe blood loss, but now bioengineering researchers have reported improved resuscitation with a radically different approach. Building on earlier studies in humans that have shown benefits of intravenous fluids that are eight times saltier than normal saline, the researchers combined hypertonic saline with viscosity enhancers that thicken blood.
From: Science Daily.
I can't find another article I was looking for, which was about recovery being more likely if adding fluids after massive blood loss was carefully controlled...
But, I thought this was an interesting article.
The big one I wondered about was deliberately crashing the core temperature of patients. Evidence suggests that when this happens by accident, such as 'trapped underwater below ice', or 'chilled by freezing weather', it is sometimes possible to revive with no long-term effects except short-term memory loss. People who stopped breathing for up to an hour have made a full recovery, possibly longer for the 'chilled' ones. Yes, chilling is in current use in heart surgery, but Taylor might have the database to make far more drastic use of this. Sticking more than just severed bits in ice to enable later surgical reattachment. 10degC/50degF seems a useful temperature...
Also, partial revival of pig brains / heads, hours after death, while kept at room temperature. Suggests that brains, and likely other organs, might be fully revived if properly treated, whereas currently written-off as 'dead mush'...
TL;DR Be cautious about mixing real-world science/medicine in with your fictionals.
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I mean honestly there's a pretty simple if somewhat terrifying explanation for the brain life support device on a ripper.
She is one of the VERY RARE BACKALLEY RIPPERS ABLE AND WILLING TO DO FULL BORG CONVERSIONS.
The capability to do full borg conversions is rare, it's highly specialized, runs the risk of subjects going insane and needs A doc (or more likely team of doctors) with serious multi-disciplinary capability to even pull off (Borgs need drugs, the specialized surgery techniques, the engineering and coding skills required for the robo-meatsuit, etc.) and that's not even getting into the required tech, corporations do not like selling or giving away their full-borg bodies or the means to implant people into them.
Medicine advances all the time. The examples you mentioned show rapid changes can be more dangerous than gradual ones. Hypertonic saline resembles the blood of a dehydrated person. It's a rule of thumb though. You definitely want to restart the heart as soon as possible when it stops beating. Recovery after exposure to cold is so well known morticians can't declare ToD until the stiffie stayed in a warm room for a few hours.Thinking about this, does Taylor need to be sneaky about some of her treatments?
TL;DR Be cautious about mixing real-world science/medicine in with your fictionals.
She would need a lot more training before she could even dream of repairing the Dragoon: her power isn't interested in vehicles (and it considered the IEC Borg one), while it does let her learn at an accelerated pace while tinkering, (or just grinding what it considers medtools,) it will take a 'while' before she's skilled enough to practically rebuild the warmachines torso from scratch.
As for the body, mostly depends if the guy has any other augments, sure there's a market for livers, and TT likely deals in organs too (loss prevention) but doubt that they accept or pay for organs acquired outside of their working hours.
4 gauge would be close to 27mm and 17,000 ft-lbs is a little over 23,000 newtons. At that point you may as well include high explosive ammunition instead of solid slugs, because I mean, why not? That's the same calibre as the cannon on the Eurofighter Typhoon.
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Get a guy with enough cybernetics and maybe you just cut out the middleman and have them carry around the autocannon.
That's basically what Adam Smasher's favourite weapon is, the game calls it an auto shotgun in 10 gauge (20mm) but he often loads it with either slugs or high explosive rounds, and I can't find a functional difference between that and an automatic cannon.
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She got a free body, and well that's a great ressource XD I mean she need an Igor at some point carrying around thing is to mundane for our good doctor. Some cheap muscle would be a boon. (At the same time she can't really do that cause you know that would be real sus, so alas just a dream)
Ace Dreamer
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If you wants to get fancy, and seeing as this body is currently leg-free, how about an invisible spider-bodied centaur? All the advantages of a med spider, and the hands of a human! And, invisible means she can take it anywhere!
(I'm assuming that she could tinker-up a much better invisibility system, in particularly given the spider thorax for extra generators/cooling.)
TheOmnimercurial
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If you wants to get fancy, and seeing as this body is currently leg-free, how about an invisible spider-bodied centaur? All the advantages of a med spider, and the hands of a human! And, invisible means she can take it anywhere!
(I'm assuming that she could tinker-up a much better invisibility system, in particularly given the spider thorax for extra generators/cooling.)
Or she could have a Drone she can attach to any conveniently handy Corpses?
Get the Body to walk itself to disposal?
Works as long as the Brain Meats do not have any residual personality anyway....
View: https://youtu.be/RAUfJi8ijCo
I think my conceptions of biology are just fine, actually. Would be kind of sad if they weren't, after how many university courses I've sat through.
I've done a bit of digging just to be sure, and from what I can tell, parts of muscle memory specifically do exist outside the brain; Spinal and somatic neuroplasticity during strength training, for example. Your brain can have mastered a task to perfection, but you'll still be fairly clumsy and weak if you haven't built up efficient connections between brain and muscles.
Likewise, yes, individual reflexes tend to be fairly simplistic - but I think you're vastly underestimating the sheer number and diversity of bodily reflexes, and of the inputs they respond to. Among other things, reflexes are well-integrated with proprioception and balance, such as the stretch reflex of the spinal muscles. Those kinds of reflexes may not let you dodge an attack by itself, but you'll definitely need them to avoid falling on your face doing it.
Lastly, as I said earlier, skill chips will still need to be able to override all kinds of reflexive and involuntary movement originating in the brain that would conflict with the chip's input. It seems unlikely that there's a way to do that which wouldn't also let the chip override voluntary movement if it's not programmed to avoid doing that, programming which can be changed.
Unless, of course, the developers of cyberpunk just didn't feel like going that deep into neurobiology was a good use of their time (which, fair enough), and simply ruled that martial arts skillchips magically work, even if logically they shouldn't.
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