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Kingster said:
Maybe? Depends, cause like, keep in mind Eggman isnt doing this from his own free will, It's because CHuck is literally blackmailing him, so there's that to consider.
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I also have a question when rogue comes and we ask for a deal can we ask her in help with getting Chuck and Chris out of angry red man's hands and as well helping Nephfte come to us?

Like asking her to help our favor vulture escape the restoration and come back to our side?
 
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Kingster said:
Maybe? Depends, cause like, keep in mind Eggman isnt doing this from his own free will, It's because CHuck is literally blackmailing him, so there's that to consider.
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Should it not count for something even if we are under coercion to let him go?

I mean they probably expect a carpet bombing on Chuck's location once is all done and the fact we not done that should count for something at least.

Sure it would no lower the dice as much if we did this on our own but it should lower a little at least.
 
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catxfighter_3_1 said:
I also have a question when rogue comes and we ask for a deal can we ask her in help with getting Chuck and Chris out of angry red man's hands and as well helping Nephfte come to us?

Like asking her to help our favor voucher escape the restoration and come back to our side?
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no, it's a bit complicated to explain without posting the other interlude, but no, Rouge doesn't have that oull with the restoration to just tell them to let Neph go.

She can help you break her out of you can come to an agreement.
 
Kingster said:
no, it's a bit complicated to explain without posting the other interlude, but no, Rouge doesn't have that oull with the restoration to just tell them to let Neph go.

She can help you break her out of you can come to an agreement.
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Thank you, I had to ask anyway…. How long would rogue be willing to wait for us to decide to break Neph out then? Like is it a turn or turn two?
 
Kingster said:
Oh sorry misunderstood.

Well... Not really? Like it's as the interlude said. Towers is coming to eggman asking for assistance against Black Doom. He recognizes he is the bigger threat and is willing to out aside their disputes to focus on him, he is that big of a threat.

But that doesn't mean he is just gonna let eggman continue with his conquest, it's as in his inner monologue, he tries to cause shit, GUN Will mobilize to get in the way.

Like, reminder Eggmana and Gun will sitll be enemies, but Tower is willing to be the biggest rman and tell eggman "Yo, let's beat black doom first then we focus on beating each other".

Keep in mind Towers doesn't have the full 100% support of gun on this idea. So Eggman making demands is good and bad at the same time, good cause it would be hella suspicious if he accepted right away the alliance, but bad cause depending on what he asks, well...that put's Towers in a bit oif a bad position cause there are things he just cant do, or would not ever consider doing.

Thought take in mind he would not just nod along as do whatever you ask, whatever Eggman ask, Towers will note, write it down, and consider why eggman would do such a thing.

Not sure if this helps or not.

But yeah, whatever demands you make, a heart. heck will be rolled, fi it fails it doesn't happen, but the allaince would still go on.
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Thank you. That helps so much.

Okay revelating the plans with this gives us this.

  • We both want the alliance.
  • Not having any demands would actually be suspusious.
  • GUN will note down what we ask/offer so we need to be aware so we don't accidentaly reveal something we don't want too.
  • No matter what happens we get the deal.

These are our two plans.

[] Plan: A Inch is just a inch
-[] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
-[] with some conditions
--[] thunderbolts release into our care in exchange we give Zomzom as a prisoner instead
--[] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
--[] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency

[] Plan: Unholy Alliance (without the cure)
-[] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
--[] with some conditions
---[] thunderbolt release into our care in exchange we give Zomom as a prisoner instead
---[] assistance in extracting, Chuck Thorndyke and his grandson from Zakvok in exchange for having a full copy of the entire research that Chuck did while he was under the D6 control.
---[] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
---[] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
---[] Share intel on Zavok movements


The only real difference between them is getting their help with Chuck and NIDS.

Taking into account that we are still enemies and our inevitable battle is just on hold...

...I don't see anything that could screw us over.

This is...almost entirely mutal benefit.


Which considering what Kingster just confirmed for us...why not go for it. They'll know that...we are curing a diease and know where Chuck is.

That's not exactly dangerous since we're inviting them to help us with it, and even if they don't agree we don't lose anything.

Why are we not going for all we can again?
 
Soberan 123 said:
Should it not count for something even if we are under coercion to let him go?

I mean they probably expect a carpet bombing on Chuck's location once is all done and the fact we not done that should count for something at least.
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no?

They aren't gonna give brownie points to him cause of that.

catxfighter_3_1 said:
Thank you, I had to ask anyway…. How long would rogue be willing to wait for us to decide to break Neph out then? Like is it a turn or turn two?
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Sorry don't get what you mean? You mean how long would Rouge be willing to entertain the idea?


Soberan 123 said:
So what exactly happens if pull a crit to free Nepthys anyway?

We get her while none is the wiser?
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I mean, you would get something extra but not that, cause, Neph missing will be noticed sooner and later, and many people will assume she is going with Eggman, and depending what you have her do, she would be seen under your banner sooner or later
 
Alatie said:
Which considering what Kingster just confirmed for us...why not go for it. They'll know that...we are curing a diease and know where Chuck is.

That's not exactly dangerous since we're inviting them to help us with it, and even if they don't agree we don't lose anything.

Why are we not going for all we can again?
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Reminder that GUN Wants to keep Chuck and ALL The research he has, no ifs nor buts. GUN wants him on his custody and that not happening will be breaking the deal

If you are fine with that, then perfectyl fine to request it.

catxfighter_3_1 said:
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. How long would rogue be willing to entertain the idea?

I'm sorry if I'm being annoying
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Will say, wait for the interlude for any rouge related questions, like i cant say much wihtout spoiling whats happening
 
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Kingster said:
I mean, you would get something extra but not that, cause, Neph missing will be noticed sooner and later, and many people will assume she is going with Eggman, and depending what you have her do, she would be seen under your banner sooner or later
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It's just that the tab mention the consequence of getting her is a massive increase to Reach out the Restoration and I was wondering if we crit we can mitigate this roll somewhat.

Actually what would happen if Nephtys crit in her own escape attempt?

I going that different from Thunderbolt she would go quietly as possible and causing little to no damage on the way but would nice to confirm if I am right or wrong.
 
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Kingster said:
Reminder that GUN Wants to keep Chuck and ALL The research he has, no ifs nor buts. GUN wants him on his custody and that not happening will be breaking the deal

If you are fine with that, then perfectyl fine to request it.


Will say, wait for the interlude for any rouge related questions, like i cant say much wihtout spoiling whats happening
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OK will do. Sorry also, how long is voting left? Also would like to note this is making me think pretty hard about the deal and stuff. It's pretty cool actually.
 
Kingster said:
Reminder that GUN Wants to keep Chuck and ALL The research he has, no ifs nor buts. GUN wants him on his custody and that not happening will be breaking the deal

If you are fine with that, then perfectyl fine to request it.


Will say, wait for the interlude for any rouge related questions, like i cant say much wihtout spoiling whats happening
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...Well we weren't going to keep Chuck anyway.

Pretty sure it's cool as long as we get his reasearch as well.

Adhoc vote count started by Alatie on Dec 27, 2024 at 11:13 AM, finished with 341 posts and 22 votes.
  • [X] Plan: A Inch is just a inch
    -[X] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
    -[X] with some conditions
    --[X] thunderbolts release into our care in exchange we give Zomzom as a prisoner instead
    --[X] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
    --[X] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
    [X] Plan: Unholy Alliance (without the cure)
    -[X] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
    --[X] with some conditions
    ---[X] thunderbolt release into our care in exchange we give Zomom as a prisoner instead
    ---[X] assistance in extracting, Chuck Thorndyke and his grandson from Zakvok in exchange for having a full copy of the entire research that Chuck did while he was under the D6 control.
    ---[X] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
    ---[X] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
    ---[X] Share intel on Zavok movements
    [X] Plan: Unholy Alliance (original)
    -[X] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
    --[X] with some conditions
    ---[X] thunderbolt release into our care in exchange we give Zomom as a prisoner instead
    ---[X] assistance in extracting, Chuck Thorndyke and his grandson from Zakvok in exchange for having a full copy of the entire research that Chuck did while he was under the D6 control.
    ---[X] A collaboration effort to finish Gerald Robotnik research on NIDS.
    ---[X] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
    ---[X] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
    ---[X] Share intel on Zavok movements
    [X] Plan: An Inch without Creating Massive Problems
    -[X] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
    -[X] with some conditions
    --[X] thunderbolts release into our care
    --[X] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
    --[X] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
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...Hah. Can't say I'm happy about how things are going, but alright.

We'll still get the cease-fire, and will just do the actions ourselves like we originally intended.

...Admitidly we don't have bad chances I just really mistrust dice.
 
Soberan 123 said:
Do we know why we are giving Zomon?

Because the guys is a idiot. He's not very imaginative with his powers and has a very low mystics to control machines. No only that he would barely has information on the Deadly Six operations.

Zenna is smart, she has brains, but easily mnaipulated once you know what buttons to push to be docile and participate in our experimenta as long we don't go overboard and have information on the Deadly Six meaning we can use her to acquire useful, albeit outdated, information.

At best they would get from Zomon would be ability to resist Zeti powers of they robotic forces.

Like we are the ones pulling a fast over GUN by getting rid of a useless prisioner while keeping the real valuable for ourselves.
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I don't disagree that Zeena has more intel about Zavok. I certainly don't want to hand her over. But Zeena is lazy. She's going to heavily resent being used as a lab rat. She's a lot more capable of noticing she's being used as an experiment than Zomon. There's only so much that you can flatter someone into being a test subject. Eggman enslaved her and then captured her. As lazy as she is, she's still going to want to escape. Zomon though he's stupid enough you can shove food down his mouth and he might very well not get why he's being asked to do use his abilities or wear monitoring equipment.

I still can't get over the concept of giving Zomon up for a tier one hero.

Alatie said:
Fighting Black Doom carries the necessary collary that we work together toward that end. They can't do that if they double cross us.

Zomon is useless to us when we have another Zeti, and worst the trade would be equal and we both think we screwed each other over.

And above all else The deal is contingent on us agreeing. Gun came too us, not the other way around. This gives us a lot more power than you seem to think.

I'm not saying we trust them. I'm saying we use them for all their worth and use their inevitable betrayal against them after we've squeesed every once of worth out of them!
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Yeah, and once Black Doom has been dealt with, then it's business as usual. The Restoration and GUN won't refrain from using the ceasefire to stack the deck for the sudden but inevitable betrayal.

Honestly I'd argue that having multiple subjects means that you can see how it works better because you can see more variety in how it functions. It also means that you have more levers to see their abilities in action. Zeena would be willing to do some things Zomon wouldn't and vice versa.

I'm not saying that you are trusting them. I'm saying you are giving them substantial ammunition for the sudden but inevitable betrayal. Like let's say GUN is only able to develop shields against zeti technopathy. I'm confident that we can replicate it. I'd rather be able to use that against them!

It's not about power, it's about scope. I don't see much reason to go all in on this. Using them more also exposes us to them more, but that's more of a minor concern for me. I'm not particularly fussed about them getting insight into Conquering Storm, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
MrHobbit said:
Yeah, and once Black Doom has been dealt with, then it's business as usual. The Restoration and GUN won't refrain from using the ceasefire to stack the deck for the sudden but inevitable betrayal.

I'm not saying that you are trusting them. I'm saying you are giving them substantial ammunition for the sudden but inevitable betrayal. Like let's say GUN is only able to develop shields against zeti technopathy. I'm confident that we can replicate it. I'd rather be able to use that against them!

It's not about power, it's about scope. I don't see much reason to go all in on this. Using them more also exposes us to them more, but that's more of a minor concern for me. I'm not particularly fussed about them getting insight into Conquering Storm, but it's something to keep in mind.
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I mean we'll be preparing for the betrayal as well so it evens out.

...Ah information war, you don't want to give them any more than necessary so we can deal with them easier later.

Ok yeah that's fair.

...You do know that all of the current plans are handing a Zeti over right?

Kingster said:
Reminder what Chuck said, that he wanted ti go to the Restorarion?

Yeah…he Wont be happy if he stays with gun.

But thats his issue
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Ah...okay yeah that'd be an issue. Probably better to get Rogue's help for that.

And since the dieases is our enemy to defeat...alright fair enough.


On another note is anyone else concerned by what Towers hinted about the general world situation? It sort of sounded like the Black Arms might have found an Emerald or two.
 
Alatie said:
I mean we'll be preparing for the betrayal as well so it evens out.

...Ah information war, you don't want to give them any more than necessary so we can deal with them easier later.

Ok yeah that's fair.

...You do know that all of the current plans are handing a Zeti over right?



Ah...okay yeah that'd be an issue. Probably better to get Rogue's help for that.

And since the dieases is our enemy to defeat...alright fair enough.


On another note is anyone else concerned by what Towers hinted about the general world situation? It sort of sounded like the Black Arms might have found an Emerald or two.
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Well, my friend, it could be multiple things. It could be the good doctor starting the zombie apocalypse. It could be another thing. There's lots of people who try to end the world in Sega games. Whatever is happening outside of Greenhill sounds real bad.
 
MrHobbit said:
I don't disagree that Zeena has more intel about Zavok. I certainly don't want to hand her over. But Zeena is lazy. She's going to heavily resent being used as a lab rat. She's a lot more capable of noticing she's being used as an experiment than Zomon. There's only so much that you can flatter someone into being a test subject. Eggman enslaved her and then captured her. As lazy as she is, she's still going to want to escape. Zomon though he's stupid enough you can shove food down his mouth and he might very well not get why he's being asked to do use his abilities or wear monitoring equipment.

I still can't get over the concept of giving Zomon up for a tier one hero.
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Zenna?

She very much can, in Metal Virus arc a couple of villagers manage to stave off being infected by her using shallow comments once she loot the whole village from jewels and clothes.

She's really easy to manipulate and be convinced to give her all.

Serious even Sonic almost make her lost interest in fighting him by giving her shallow comments and the motive she even fight him was because he decided to insult her soon after.

While Zavok can convince her to do stuff by also giving her shallow comments, he even comments how easy is to manipulate her.

Alatie said:
On another note is anyone else concerned by what Towers hinted about the general world situation? It sort of sounded like the Black Arms might have found an Emerald or two.
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You certainty don't expect Green Hills were the only place that the Black Arms were being invaded right?

They have to fight real hard here is because most factions 100% understand the threat they represent and make borders with a really powerful King and there's a Prince that's no slouch in Power.

Other Kings probably would not even understand the true threat the Black Arms represent and worse some may even let them lose as long they get a advantage over their foes.

It's not like Black Doom is broadcastings his intentions to everybody to hear so even the ones that want to do something about them probably don't even get they are invading for the Chaos Emeralds.

Good news is, whatever Black Arms scouting forces are then is likely a Chaos Emerald is there or they believe is there. Bad news, we don't have any means to get there until we rebuilt the Egg Fleet.
 
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Alatie said:
I mean we'll be preparing for the betrayal as well so it evens out.

...Ah information war, you don't want to give them any more than necessary so we can deal with them easier later.

Ok yeah that's fair.

...You do know that all of the current plans are handing a Zeti over right?
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Oh yeah, I know all the plans hand over a zeti except mine. I didn't expect to prevent that from winning.

Information is only part of it, a lot of it is personal taste. I just don't like the idea of expanding the scope of the negotiations so much on this. I'm fine with getting GUN's help for Chuck, if nothing else it's funny to refuse his request, but I also want to constrain the information as much as possible.

Soberan 123 said:
You certainty don't expect Green Hills were the only place that the Black Arms were being invaded right?

They have to fight real hard here is because most factions 100% understand the threat they represent and make borders with a really powerful King and there's a Prince that's no slouch in Power.

Other Kings probably would not even understand the true threat the Black Arms represent and worse would may even let them lose as long they get a advantage over their foes.

It's not like Black Doom is broadcastings his intentions to everybody to hear so even the ones that want to do something about them probably don't even get they are invagin for the Chaos Emeralds.

Good news is, whatever Black Arms scouting forces are then is likely a Chaos Eemrald is there or they believe is there.
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Do you think that we will be expanding our influence around the world without unlocking the second actions that GUN and the Restoration represent? The ceasefire is to fight the next Black Arms incursion in the Green Hills. After that it gets difficult. We can fight kings around the globe once we get the full action economy going. That includes Black Doom.

The Restoration is probably the second Heart action and GUN might be the second Logistics action. Or GUN could be the Trickery or Brains second action instead. I'm not confident about it.
 
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MrHobbit said:
The Restoration is probably the second Heart action and GUN might be the second Logistics action. Or GUN could be the Trickery or Brains second action instead. I'm not confident about it.
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Funnily enough, those are the actions lower on the totempole to unlock at the moment by thread concensus.

Like don't get me wrong, they will be hella useful later down the road.

But right now?

Heart is mostly trying to reach out parties that hate our guts and recruiting.

Logistics, hasn't been a nightmare cause Orbot and Cubot actively give us a 2nd logistic action which we have been abusing for autosuccess actions and they did good on their only roll to create the metal mine.

They are effectively a +10 logistic unit which is not much, but they get our full stats and traits when those activate making their base rolls 50 or higher.

But otherwise our guesses that Heart is holded by the restoration and GUN holds logistics is pretty much on point.

The power action was holded by the black arms.

Brain is suspected to be the D6 mostly due to them having our stuff, the empire from THE brains king.

I still cannot stipulate enough how much of a godsent Sage was, like we got her as soon as turn 3 when QM's outright told us we wouldn't get her till turn 10-11 if things had gone normally.

Now trickery and Mystic are the still uknowns, but QM's have mentioned there are two hidden factions on GH.

One has been having heavy hints that Clutch the Opossum from the IDW comics is the prince of a faction and no doubt the one that holds the trickery action.

Mystic so far is still uknown.
 
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