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Scrambled Eggs. A Sonic X Sega All Star Villains CK2 Quest

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Kingster said:
Will tell you no, Towers wont not cant assingnmore than his Stats and maybe a hero unit for the action,

Take this as you may, GUN might habe way resources compares to Rouge, but Rouge build is literal y made for this.

Just dont make those type of assumptions
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Don't you told us the action to pass the Infiltration dice will be high and the consequences for failuer will not be pretty?

I literally trying to cover all our bases and get much as advantage as possible in that action.

Can't we not do it a collab action with GUN and Rouge together in that action?

MrHobbit said:
I'm fine with your unholy alliance without the cure plan. It kinda feels weird to ask for the network frequency, but eh.
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To be fair is avery low dice and really seems a waste that we would need to dedicate a NA just to get Global Reports, amy as well ask for it now.

I half expect Towers pick a pen and a paper right then and there, write the frequency just to give Eggman, they literally lost nothing for that demand and we save time as well. Win-win as far I can see.
 
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MrHobbit said:
But... for Thunderbolt? Like, c'mon, I'd do it in an instant for Nephthys, but GUN doesn't have her. I just get the impression of her being a moderately useful character that is funny in moderation.

I agree in principle with the argument that it will make it harder for Zavok to recover the prisoner. But I dislike it because we're playing as Eggman. It feels out of character.
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TBH We have a much better unit on GUN custody, but sadly we don't know of him IC yet.

Trust me if we had the chance I would ask for Grimer from the fleetway comics instead of the chinchilla if we knew about him.

Snively was a hard pass before cause of his nature, but Grimer? the guy is probably on snively levels of stats and maybe a little better and is actually loyal as long as we don't go off the rocker like pre-sgw archie and fleetway itself.
 
Soberan 123 said:
[] Plan: Unholy Alliance (original)
-[] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
--[] with some conditions
---[] thunderbolt release into our care in exchange we give Zomom as a prisoner instead
---[] assistance in extracting, Chuck Thorndyke and his grandson from Zakvok in exchange for having a full copy of the entire research that Chuck did while he was under the D6 control.
---[] A collaboration effort to finish Gerald Robotnik research on NIDS.
---[] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
---[] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
---[] Share intel on Zavok movements.
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I'm with Soberan on this. We get some help on the most difficult and important actions we have and lose essentially nothing in the process.

I really don't see any reason to not go through with all of this.

Frankly I'd even be willing to give up the Emerald to keep the Restoration off our backs.
 
Aron593 said:
TBH We have a much better unit on GUN custody, but sadly we don't know of him IC yet.

Trust me if we had the chance I would ask for Grimer from the fleetway comics instead of the chinchilla if we knew about him.

Snively was a hard pass before cause of his nature, but Grimer? the guy is probably on snively levels of stats and maybe a little better and is actually loyal as long as we don't go off the rocker like pre-sgw archie and fleetway itself.
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Also there's the off chance Thunderbolt mention Grimer and we can stage a breakout for him later.

So there's a opportunity there.
 
Soberan 123 said:
Don't you told us the action to pass the Infiltration dice will be high and the consequences for failuer will not be pretty?

I literally trying to cover all our bases and get much as advantage as possible in that action.

Can't we not do it a collab action with GUN and Rouge together in that action?
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Oh yeah its. High Dc, but the part of Towers being able to assign extra soldiers and the like…ehhh.


Soberan 123 said:
Can't we not do it a collab action with GUN and Rouge together in that action?
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Could be possible. Its totally in the cards If you are Willing to secure Rouge help
 
From the way Kingster worded it, it seems like both Towers and Rouge have pretty much the same chances to pull off the rescue.

I am willing to put more of my money on Rouge as she is the thief in the franchise outside of Manic in underground.

And as I said, Rouge is mostly a wild card for gun, so if she sees GUN is going off the rocker she will leave them hanging.
 
Aron593 said:
From the way Kingster worded it, it seems like both Towers and Rouge have pretty much the same chances to pull off the rescue.

I am willing to put more of my money on Rouge as she is the thief in the franchise outside of Manic in underground.

And as I said, Rouge is mostly a wild card for gun, so if she sees GUN is going off the rocker she will leave them hanging.
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Plus, we probably don't have to offer like a lot of stuff to rogue if we just say that we're going to help rescue shadow and just ask for this one favor she would be willing to do it.
 
Thunderbolt: "Oh yeah, Lord Eggman, there was this gross looking guy with a bowtie. Knew a different version of you apparently? He helped protect me so we could have our glorious reunion! I probably owe him one, could we save him? I won't ask for anything else!"
 
Yeah, tbh I am worrying about the unrest in GUN and for Chuck and Chris safety in that case.

Without counting that Chuck may find his word broken as we are sending him to GUN territory instead of Restoration territory.
 
Aron593 said:
Yeah, tbh I am worrying about the unrest in GUN and for Chuck and Chris safety in that case.

Without counting that Chuck may find his word broken as we are sending him to GUN territory instead of Restoration territory.
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I think we just found out why he wants the Return over G.U.N, although they probably didn't make a good impression for him in Sonic X as well.
 
Soberan 123 said:
To be fair is avery low dice and really seems a waste that we would need to dedicate a NA just to get Global Reports, amy as well ask for it now.

I half expect Towers pick a pen and a paper right then and there, write the frequency just to give Eggman, they literally lost nothing for that demand and we save time as well.
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I know that, and I can see Eggman deciding to do that in character. But it just trips me up mechanically. We're supposed to dedicate an action to do it. I'm sure if the QMs don't like it it would be vetoed, but it's just weird to me. I don't care about it enough to vote against it though. I'd probably even vote for it if it was cleared because it'd be funny to read.

Aron593 said:
TBH We have a much better unit on GUN custody, but sadly we don't know of him IC yet.

Trust me if we had the chance I would ask for Grimer from the fleetway comics instead of the chinchilla if we knew about him.

Snively was a hard pass before cause of his nature, but Grimer? the guy is probably on snively levels of stats and maybe a little better and is actually loyal as long as we don't go off the rocker like pre-sgw archie and fleetway itself.
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Yeah but then we'd have to deal with the weirdness of "we did a prison swap for some girl we didn't even know" increasing her hero worship. It seems like she'd be even more insufferable. Eggman didn't want the image of a lackey who wants to be bossed around 24/7 in his head. This would make it worse! :V

Alatie said:
I'm with Soberan on this. We get some help on the most difficult and important actions we have and lose essentially nothing in the process.

I really don't see any reason to not go through with all of this.

Frankly I'd even be willing to give up the Emerald to keep the Restoration off our backs.
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We do lose something! Our pride! Oh, and the ability to say that curing NIDs was purely a father & daughter project! It'll be hilarious for Sage's name to get out there as one of two authors of a paper proposing a revolutionary cure to NIDs. Without any degrees or accreditation! A collaborator would steal the moment!
 
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Aron593 said:
From the way Kingster worded it, it seems like both Towers and Rouge have pretty much the same chances to pull off the rescue.

I am willing to put more of my money on Rouge as she is the thief in the franchise outside of Manic in underground.

And as I said, Rouge is mostly a wild card for gun, so if she sees GUN is going off the rocker she will leave them hanging.
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So we can get Towers Trickery, he's a prince and a military commander so we can get at least something to help even if his trickery stats are not that great and maybe a Hero unit. We serious can use all the help we can get to beat the dice and leave nothing to chance.

Shadow-86 said:
Well that's one less thing we need to ask for in the negotiations.
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He can however assigned some robots like GUN Beetles to the action.

Also if we are lucky we can even collect some of them if get damaged and study ourselves.

Aron593 said:
Yeah, tbh I am worrying about the unrest in GUN and for Chuck and Chris safety in that case.

Without counting that Chuck may find his word broken as we are sending him to GUN territory instead of Restoration territory.
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That's why we get Rouge help, she can help them get to the Restoration territory, but leave the research behind, if worse came to pass.

Shadow-86 said:
I think we just found out why he wants the Return over G.U.N, although they probably didn't make a good impression for him in Sonic X as well.
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Well Chuck as call time to time to advice the president so is not like he hates the government in Sonic X.
 
We could also cause a lot more unrest within GUN if we do ask Rouge instead of them this.

After all some people are already not happy with Towers actions, so Rouge suddenly collaborating with Eggman and releasing the scientist they wanted and not delivering him to them?

That is going to ruffle a lot of feathers.

Hope and Walters in general, Walters will feel that Towers doesn't has enough control of things and Hope will question why he even trusts Rouge, especially since the PRE-SGW version of Rouge was a lot more worse than game and any other version we know.
 
MrHobbit said:
We do lose something! Our pride! Oh, and the ability to say that curing NIDs was purely a father & daughter project! It'll be hilarious for Sage's name to get out there as one of two authors of a paper proposing a revolutionary cure to NIDs. Without any degrees or accreditation! A collaborator would steal the moment!
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Pride is nothing before practicality! We have too many important things to do as it is. If we can boost our chances even a little we should take it!
 
Aron593 said:
We could also cause a lot more unrest within GUN if we do ask Rouge instead of them this.

After all some people are already not happy with Towers actions, so Rouge suddenly collaborating with Eggman and releasing the scientist they wanted and not delivering him to them?

That is going to ruffle a lot of feathers.

Hope and Walters in general, Walters will feel that Towers doesn't has enough control of things and Hope will question why he even trusts Rouge, especially since the PRE-SGW version of Rouge was a lot more worse than game and any other version we know.
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Weirdly enough Pre-SGW Rouge actually cares for Shadow and is loyal to GUN, mostly her paycheck. I blame the writers inconsistency.
 
I am honestly willing to go away with the prisoner trade, the dropping off charges and Evilira channel frequency

And give Rouge the deal of Chuck as long as we help her catch Shadow.

Omega would also see the logic on it and tbh he does care too about Shadow as a friend to let that opportunity pass up.
 
[] Plan: A Inch is just a inch
[] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
-[] with some conditions
--[] thunderbolts release into our care in exchange we give Zomzom as a prisoner instead
--[] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
--[] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency

I do like this, it only has relatively low cost stuff on GUN's end. I'd like to avoid having GUN as an organization be involved in rescuing Chuck, since that gives Eggman more control over what happens to him (I saw someone bring up dropping Chris off in Restoration territory and holding onto Chuck himself, which was a suggestion I liked).

As such, I think the only thing I'd like to add to this is opening up negotiations with the Restoration.

[] Plan: Two inches
[] Yes (When the Black Arms return, you and GUN will collaborate to fight them, collaboration next turn to study the Black Arms, material)
-[] with some conditions
--[] thunderbolts release into our care in exchange we give Zomzom as a prisoner instead
--[] Dropping the charges of the auction for the stealing of the lance off Starline, Stone and Canaan.
--[] Share "Evila's Swingin Report Show" Network Frequency
--[] Make a genuine good faith effort to bring the Restoration to the table to try to arrange a similar ceasefire.

But are there any incentives worth adding in from Eggman's side to make the deal more likely to succeed?
 
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Can someone explain why people don't want Towers help, sure he maybe can get a hero but he would at least add his own stats to the action, maybe not that great but is something, but we need to stack the deck as better we can that is going to be very high dice to pass we can't afford to fail. We get them and Rouge we may have a chance to succeed.
 
Soberan 123 said:
Can someone explain why people don't want Towers help, sure he maybe can get a hero but he would at least add his own stats to the action, maybe not that great but is something, but we need to stack the deck as better we can that is going to be very high dice to pass we can't afford to fail. We get them and Rouge we may have a chance to succeed.
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In my case, it's because I see more benefit in rescuing Chuck and Chris without him, even with worse odds. GUN's involvement means that Eggman doesn't have as much control over where they end up. It's also my understanding that Chuck's attempted blackmail isn't as effective as he intended because he was operating on outdated information and Zavoc trying to besiege Eggman's hidden base with Badniks matters less once he develops his new territory, which a number of people have said is a priority.
 
UltimateBlackAce said:
In my case, it's because I see more benefit in rescuing Chuck and Chris without him, even with worse odds. GUN's involvement means that Eggman doesn't have as much control over where they end up. It's also my understanding that Chuck's attempted blackmail isn't as effective as he intended because he was operating on outdated information and Zavoc trying to besiege Eggman's hidden base with Badniks matters less once he develops his new territory, which a number of people have said is a priority.
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Also remember he has ways to get into the Restoration, he fully expect Eggman not let him go there.

The Badnik Horde are under his control he can simple sick them either on GUN or Eggman if they don't let him and his grandson go. I mean the entire horde under Zavok command in one go.

Like also Chuck is really forcing the doctor's hand here and trow away his careful plan to find and rescue him. So that Dice is going to be pretty high and consequence for failure will not be pretty for anybody involed.

Do we really want to risk Gerald Robotnik 2.0 just because we don't want some assistance of GUN?
 
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Actually, wait! Instead of asking for Thunderbolt specifically, could we instead ask for any prisoners who want to come join us? To maybe get her and Grimer?
 
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