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Scrambled Eggs. A Sonic X Sega All Star Villains CK2 Quest

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Dr. Dinosaur said:
Say, why are Rouge and Omega listed as independent? They work for GUN in most timelines. Something to think about....
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They are mostly independent agents that take contracts from them from time to time.

Either way, we will be negotiating.

As I mentioned, that collab will only be possible with one condition.

They help us and we give the location, as long as they give us a full copy of Chuck research of everything he did under the D6.

A negotiation is all about eating the cake in pairs,not taking everything for yourself.

They want the scientist? fine we know where he is and we could show we are willing to play ball.

BUT if they refuse to give us the research, then they get nothing.

Like there is very little GUN could actually offer us at the moment other than resources and info.
 
Soberan 123 said:
Not if we get Chuck research and that's implicit will be part of the deal with the collab and GUN probably would agree. After all Dr. Eggman is not much help against the Black Arms without his empire.
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But if they can TAKE our Empire and get rid of us in their eyes, there will be people who will try it.

GUN is splintered. There is no way in hell I'm gambling our Empire on the idea we get the faction who will actually follow the letter and spirit of the deal.
 
Dr. Dinosaur said:
They could offer not getting murdered by Omega. (At this date and time)
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Nah that is on Rouge.

QM's have said the GUN negotiations and Rouge deal are separated.

As I said I am willing to talk to the bat as long as she doesn't steal anything and keeps that traitor on check.

On the other hand, WE could offer Rouge that deal in a deal that we help capture Shadow and she help us get Chuck and Chris out of there.

We get the research and we sent them their merry way to the restoration.
 
DarkKing98 said:
It screws over us. GUN isn't a great ally for us when they have their shit in order.

The fact it's internally split in many factions from many continuities? They're just as likely to blow the whole operation into smitherines or take Chuck for themselves to use his virus against us as they are to actually help.
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You know GUN coming to us was part of omake reward, the QMs would not handle us a trick action as a reward. This is literally a opportunity to get, a temporary, ally without needing to take action and a collab to solve one of the biggest pain in our neck in one go.

They know how smart Eggman is and if there's one person in the whole planet that can figure out the weakness of the Black Arms is Doctor Eggman with enough time and the Deadly Six don't exactly make friends with anyone in Green Hills.

Dr. Dinosaur said:
I'm sure Sage can do that!
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Yeah we could have the option to isolate a part of the virus in the Hacking action but opt to locate Chuck, we very much can do it ourselves.

Freak A Nature said:
Most likely a disagreement on how to handle Shadow, the GMs hinted at splintering going on behind the scenes in GUN

Team Dark wants Shadow back, some of GUN wants him dead most likely.
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DarkKing98 said:
But if they can TAKE our Empire and get rid of us in their eyes, there will be people who will try it.

GUN is splintered. There is no way in hell I'm gambling our Empire on the idea we get the faction who will actually follow the letter and spirit of the deal.
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Firs of all the QMs said that GUN have some issues not that are literally trying to kill each other or would try to murder Shadow or are into civil war or anything you think is happening.

You are exaggerating a issue that's not likely there.
 
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Dr. Dinosaur said:
They could offer not getting murdered by Omega. (At this date and time)
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Not a good idea, really, for Omega.
DarkKing98 said:
But if they can TAKE our Empire and get rid of us in their eyes, there will be people who will try it.

GUN is splintered. There is no way in hell I'm gambling our Empire on the idea we get the faction who will actually follow the letter and spirit of the deal.
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Agreed, even on its best day, GUN is pointed out to be untrustworthy. Right now, you might as well beg to get backstabbed.

Any alliance is extremely temporary. If we look to weak, they'll try to capture us. If we look to strong then a 'renegade unit' will attempt to kill us.

Unlike most nations, we don't have to worry about polite fictions like that and can retaliate directly.
 
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As I said, if people are not onboard with the collab for GUN.

We could try to make the deal with Rouge for the break out.

They are listed as independants after all.
 
Soberan 123 said:
You know GUN coming to us was part of omake reward, the QMs would not handle us a trick action as a reward. This is literally a opportunity to get, a temporary, ally without needing to take action and a collab to solve one of the biggest pain in our neck in one go.
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GUN coming to join in some kind of agreement is not a trap. That doesn't mean that GUN doesn't have internal issues that can bite us in the ass.
Soberan 123 said:
Firs of all the QMs said that GUN have some issues not that are literally trying to kill each other or would try to murder Shadow or are into civil war or anything you think is happening.

You are exaggerating a issue that's not likely there.
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If GUN wasn't an internal mess, Rouge would probably have negotiated help from them to get Shadow. But the fact she's coming for our sorry ass? That means something stinks.

And besides, Omega is here to kill us. Rogue elements in the factions exist. GUN can be a help to us, but don't assume they are a safe ally to trust.
 
DarkKing98 said:
GUN coming to join in some kind of agreement is not a trap. That doesn't mean that GUN doesn't have internal issues that can bite us in the ass.

If GUN wasn't an internal mess, Rouge would probably have negotiated help from them to get Shadow. But the fact she's coming for our sorry ass? That means something stinks.

And besides, Omega is here to kill us. Rogue elements in the factions exist. GUN can be a help to us, but don't assume they are a safe ally to trust.
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First of all Rouge and Omega were doing they own thing and were acting independent until now, we have no evidence they even go back to GUN since Turn 3. QMs even confirmed Rouge stuff is separate from GUN.

Or this could even be a Personal Action of Rouge, you don't know that.

We are literally being feedspon a solution to some of our problems and you don't want take it.

Not accepting this action means we will be stuck fighting them as well and they will not ask for the Restoration to hold back as well. We will be literally be stuck in a three way war, four counting the Empire, just like Zavok and we would never get anywhere.
 
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DarkKing98 said:
And besides, Omega is here to kill us. Rogue elements in the factions exist. GUN can be a help to us, but don't assume they are a safe ally to trust.
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I can think of a few already in ours, potentially. We've actually done a fairly good job of maintaining the goodwill of our subordinates thus far, though we've had an easier time of it than expected. The Restoration seems solid, but then they have had big successes this far, with the bolstered morale that comes with it. If they have to deal with Acorn Kingdom politics, however, then things could go to hell for them really fast given that it was a nest of vipers in there.
 
Eggman: "Why couldn't you be more like your brother Gamma?! He never rebelled against me! Just did whatever I asked till Sonic destroyed him. Poor, loyal Gamma...."
 
Orumon27 said:
Acorn Kingdom politics, however, then things could go to hell for them really fast given that it was a nest of vipers in there.
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EH depends on version, Post-SGW was chill as hell.

Pre-SGW 100% agree.

Like Max Acorn wasn't the brightest tool in the shed to rule, then there was the council of acorns who tried to make a democracy without of any of the checks and most just wanted to spite either the crown in the case of the prowers or wanted to spite the freedom fighters in general in the case of hamlim.

Like between someone who actually knows what the hell he is doing like Elias, they went and fucking chose Naugus out of all people, despite the later treachery being well documented.
 
Aron593 said:
Pre-SGW 100% agree.

Like Max Acorn wasn't the brightest tool in the shed to rule, then there was the council of acorns who tried to make a democracy without of any of the checks and most just wanted to spite either the crown in the case of the prowers or wanted to spite the freedom fighters in general in the case of hamlim.

Like between someone who actually knows what the hell he is doing like Elias, they went and fucking chose Naugus out of all people, despite the later treachery being well documented.
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Well Naugus was playing his magic to manipulate the crowds feelings for quite a while and the people there were not used to being a democracy. Also they pick him more over they fear to be protect from Nicole's nanites than anything else.

For the population Nicole protect them from Eggman and Naugus would protect them from nanites, also Nicole.

Most of the Council could barely stand against him because of he keep using his magic to manipulate their emotions so that play a part in it.
 
You have to wonder how many hero units each faction has by now, we managed to recruit a dozen in a couple of months and we're Eggman of all people.

The Zeti and Black Arms luckily will have to recruit by force and the Empire will have their own culture making things difficult. The Restoration and G.U.N. on the other hand don't really have such problems, especially the former as they have a lot of friends and connections everywhere.
 
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...You know as horrible as it was I'm wondering if Zor's attack might make it easier to flip Selvaria.

If her mental state is unstable from what I suspect her loyalties might be as well.

As good as Max is an attack like that isn't so easy to shake off.
 
Alatie said:
...You know as horrible as it was I'm wondering if Zor's attack might make it easier to flip Selvaria.

If her mental state is unstable from what I suspect her loyalties might be as well.

As good as Max is an attack like that isn't so easy to shake off.
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That's why I think we should both push for more territory against the angry red man and try our luck against the empire since selvira is going to be out of commission for a while. When will we ever have a chance to kick or hurt them the empire out just like the black arms if we don't capitalize on that moment of weakness, she lost all the troops and hurt.
 
Alatie said:
...You know as horrible as it was I'm wondering if Zor's attack might make it easier to flip Selvaria.

If her mental state is unstable from what I suspect her loyalties might be as well.
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I don't know, as much as it seems so, shocks like this can also cause people to double down. We need more information on Selvaria for it to happen. Jaeger could step in at this point to help out, but he can be overridden as well.
 
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