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Rosario and Joestar
- Thread starter EvaUnit01
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You...really shouldnt need to have them defined. There's actual definitions that are commonly associated with them. It comes up in vs debates all the time, or discussing how those kinds of things work.
The sad thing is that the same should be true for terms like "Mary Sue", but this isn't even something subjective, it's actually something very specific. It's not a matter of "different definition" and a matter of "you got the term wrong"
Like...social fu implies a combat method, because it has a clear base in "kung fu" with the "kung" being replaced "social" to imply rather than a "martial method" that its instead a "social method". It's...well I think it's obvious.
Don't be ridiculous. Sales technique is about closing, it's not about altering someone's viewpoint. In Real Estate once the person signs on the dotted line or verbally agrees to the contract then you have them no matter what. That kind of verbal trickery or sleight of hand is right up Joseph's alley.
Social Fu can take advantage of those kinds of techniques, but unless you're going to talk someone into walking into a woodchipper or something then closing alone isn't going to win you any fights.
- Location
- New Delhi, India
Yeah, ok then.
But he also has the correct skills for social fu.
On the other hand, he's probably going to get a massive Social-Fu stat reduction when Ruby points out that he's associated with an oil baron (Speedwagon) and that he's a real estate tycoon and murderer (of monsters hated by monsters, but still).
However, since he can empathize with his enemies, he can get a Social Fu bonus to compensate for his association with Speedwagon and real estate.
Anyway, even though real estate doesn't involve manipulation or viewpoint altering towards the end, it does require those things in the beginning, so that Joseph can sell the house he was planning on selling in the first place.
But he also has the correct skills for social fu.
On the other hand, he's probably going to get a massive Social-Fu stat reduction when Ruby points out that he's associated with an oil baron (Speedwagon) and that he's a real estate tycoon and murderer (of monsters hated by monsters, but still).
However, since he can empathize with his enemies, he can get a Social Fu bonus to compensate for his association with Speedwagon and real estate.
Anyway, even though real estate doesn't involve manipulation or viewpoint altering towards the end, it does require those things in the beginning, so that Joseph can sell the house he was planning on selling in the first place.
If theyre going to be calm about the situation, sure.
But they won't be. The only reason Tsukune had a chance to win Rose over was because he wasn't just sympathetic.
He was also harmless
Joseph being present right off the bat will likely do to them what it did to Outer Moka, only Ruby and her Master will attempt to defend themselves from the inevitable extermination. And if they do that, it'll become a fight to the death very quickly.
One which the newspaper club + the Joestars will win very, very easily
There is also the fact most of the enemies that Joseph fought at this point were either Nazies, vampires or Pillar men and even stardust crusaders never had much justification beyond "Lord DIO ordered it".
Ruby has an actual reason for why she is so angry and Joseph even as a young man can be very sympathetic (hell he showed respect for Esidisi after he managed to smuggle away the Aja stone) and will easily spot just how broken Ruby is.
Don't underestimate Joseph and don't think he will go straight to murder.
Why the hell would Joseph kill them?
Hell he'd probably outright refuse against Ruby and come up with a scheme to incapacitate them.
I'm not saying Joseph will escalate. I'm saying Ruby's mentor/mother figure will before Ruby has the chance to come out of her shell and grow past her sheltered upbringing so that she can make her own decisions.
And once they do escalate, they'll likely fight to the death.
Because that's what Ruby's teacher did in canon even after Tsukune worked his Youkai Jesus magic on them.
Joseph's presence will cause her to enact full paranoia and hate protocols right from the start. And your examples regarding Wammu and Esidisi?
Those only came about as a result of fighting to the death. Same thing with Wammu respecting Ceasar.
Sure Joseph came to respect those two Pillar Men. But that respect was saved for after they had finished trying to kill each other and mostly succeeding.
Going that route here would probably be a bad thing
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LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
I'm with TehChron on this one guys, bringing the Jojo's in too soon is gonna end badly.
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- New Delhi, India
Let's not get into a flame war over who's right over here.
I concede the point; bringing in the Joestars might be a bad idea, because we don't want a fight scene.
On the other hand, you're missing the point.
You know what I think?
I think you're scared this'll become violent because you're talking about Jotaro's Social-Fu skills, which are terrible.
After all, this is the most anti-social, violent Joestar of the lot (which is saying something, trust me).
And this is his quest. Of course you'll think about his skills as an example, rather than Joseph's previous records.
I concede the point; bringing in the Joestars might be a bad idea, because we don't want a fight scene.
On the other hand, you're missing the point.
You know what I think?
I think you're scared this'll become violent because you're talking about Jotaro's Social-Fu skills, which are terrible.
After all, this is the most anti-social, violent Joestar of the lot (which is saying something, trust me).
And this is his quest. Of course you'll think about his skills as an example, rather than Joseph's previous records.
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Uh...
I'm not saying it'll become violent because of Jotaro's social skills. I'm more or less ignoring them as a non-factor because that's what they are.
I'm saying that it'll become immediately violent because of Joseph's presence and that the groups collective social skills aren't great enough to stop that fight from escalating.
Because they arent the ones who decide whether or not a fight goes down at Witch's Knoll. The Witches do. And they will.
And we have literally zero control over that.
I don't know how to spell it out any clearer than that, man. All I can say at this point.
Yep, which is why letting his Harem protagonist skills doing their work with the initial encounter with Ruby is the best option.
Once she's all set up for the heel/face turn then the Joestars can join the fun and everyone can go home happy.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
Weeeeeeeeeeeeell not the Witch of the Knoll, but who gives a shit amirite?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
she's basically a cadaver that hasn't figured out she should have died years ago anyway, so...
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
So, basically there was a point where we should not have brought Joseph and we have clearly passed it, so lets keep going and see just how bad the trainwreck is?
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
Well, if we actually had an option where she didn't go all kamikaze...
As a general rule, if the QM really wants a thing the QM shouldn't provide the opportunity to vote against the thing. Because players are awful and hate your plots.
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- Gainesville VA
[X]a fast-food place. Gotta have lunch, after all.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
yeah, but she's cute, and a badass.
Witch of the Hill is starting to rot.
Also she actually is aware that she's dead and is reveling in the fact
totally different
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- New Delhi, India
Not in Person
Once Known as The Nobody
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- A place
This is a good point, but I feel compelled to ask a question. Two questions, actually, but the second is probably better phrased as a statement, and...
Anyway, the questions. First, I know that Joseph has a terrifying reputation, but I've been led to believe that few monsters actually know how he looks like. Or, "how he looks like now". So, can the Witch of the Knoll actually tell it's the JoJo and not some random old man who's maybe a wannabe monster hunter, before she's taken out of the equation?
And second. Would those "paranoia and fear protocols" prevent them from making tactical mistakes and rash decisions that they wouldn't have made if they weren't terror-stricken and panicked?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
that too.
The first question is entirely up in the air. Personally, I feel like it would inevitably come out one way or the other. Especially if Eva decides to be hilariously malicious and makes the construction thing a SPW or Joestar Real Estate project.
But thats a lot of unknowns so I can't say for sure, my natural inclination is to err on the side of caution however.
As for the latter, the Witch of the Knoll fought by using the plant life and stuff as a weapon, iirc. So rash decisions? Probably. Tactical mistakes?
Probably not, but only by virtue of her tactical incompetence being an issue (or advantage) regardless of her state of mind.
- Location
- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
Er, if you don't think our vote gives us the opportunity to not do the thing you recommended, why did you bother to post your recommendation?
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- New Delhi, India
Because we're heading to Witch's Knoll anyway, the votes tell us where we go before we head to Witch's Knoll or if we go there directly.
Besides, there's still a little time for some Slice of life before we get to Ruby "I'm way too into S&M" Tojo.
Might as well get that in.
Besides, there's still a little time for some Slice of life before we get to Ruby "I'm way too into S&M" Tojo.
Might as well get that in.