[X] Silently urge Mizore to keep her cool. If Kuyo wants violence, make him be the one to start it.

[X]Take out Kuyo.

It seems clear at this point that damn near everybody here thinks Kuyo is an unhinged radical. As long as we win this fight, he's all but committed political suicide. And, as has been noted, he's by far the most significant threat here. The faster he goes, the sooner everyone's safe. As for Mizore, she's about a poor match here as is possible. Not even total surprise is likely to bridge that gap. We can't let her rush him.
 
[X] Silently urge Mizore to keep her cool. If Kuyo wants violence, make him be the one to start it.

[X]Take out Kuyo.

If Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, he'll never see Star Platinum coming. Even if he does have one, Star Platinum is insanely fast even without time stop.
 
[X] Silently urge Mizore to keep her cool. If Kuyo wants violence, make him be the one to start it.

[X]Take out Kuyo.

Very convincing argument. Let's see how it goes.
 
Okay jokes aside, if Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, he can't harm Jotaro, who is automatically going to be protected by [Star Platinum] (an automatic feature Araki got rid of when he nerfed Jotaro inn parts 4 and 6. Let's not repeat the "Araki forgot" thing and keep the self-defense mechanism and Star Finger) meaning his flames would be MUDA!
Star Finger was a weird one-off thing, and Jotaro has Hamon for his underwater combat needs. It ain't a thing here.

You say "automatic defense", I say "Star Platinum 'only' has enhanced reflexes to go with its power, precision, and senses".
 
We still don't know how difficult switching from Hamon to Stand combat is, do we? We have our Red Comet Overdrive, so it may be best just stick with that in any case, considering it's all but made for fighting Kuyo. It's defensive benefits are especially important, since I'm not sure how well Star Platinum can block heat or fire. But I do wonder if Star Platinum has better offense, considering it has to be able to strike dramatically faster than Jotaro can with Hamon. It may be that Hamon's anti-monster properties make it generally better for fights against monsters, but if we are able to switch mid-combat, it could make for a potent surprise to suddenly break out the invisible punch ghost. I think SP is our best option for ranged attacks, too, so if the enemy gets away from us, switching to it to use throwing weapons, like the ball bearing trick in part 4, could be a good tactic. That's something I definitely want Jotaro to practice at some point. I want to find out what our range would be when shooting those.
 
[X] Silently urge Mizore to keep her cool. If Kuyo wants violence, make him be the one to start it.

[X] Take out Kuyo.
 
We still don't know how difficult switching from Hamon to Stand combat is, do we? We have our Red Comet Overdrive, so it may be best just stick with that in any case, considering it's all but made for fighting Kuyo. It's defensive benefits are especially important, since I'm not sure how well Star Platinum can block heat or fire. But I do wonder if Star Platinum has better offense, considering it has to be able to strike dramatically faster than Jotaro can with Hamon. It may be that Hamon's anti-monster properties make it generally better for fights against monsters, but if we are able to switch mid-combat, it could make for a potent surprise to suddenly break out the invisible punch ghost. I think SP is our best option for ranged attacks, too, so if the enemy gets away from us, switching to it to use throwing weapons, like the ball bearing trick in part 4, could be a good tactic. That's something I definitely want Jotaro to practice at some point. I want to find out what our range would be when shooting those.

Let me repeat myself, If Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, he can do nothing to cause a single bit of damage to [Star Platinum]. Nothing...
Sure, sticking to Hamon is a good thing if we intend to use SP for the element of surprise, but if Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, there is absolutely nothing he can do to Jotaro because of [Star Platinum]'s protection.
 
Let me repeat myself, If Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, he can do nothing to cause a single bit of damage to [Star Platinum]. Nothing...
Sure, sticking to Hamon is a good thing if we intend to use SP for the element of surprise, but if Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, there is absolutely nothing he can do to Jotaro because of [Star Platinum]'s protection.
Kuyo is the strongest monster present, whether he has a Stand or not.

If he doesn't have a Stand, Jotaro is the best person to fight him because it becomes an uneven battle.

If Kuyo does have a Stand, Jotaro is the only person who can fight him, because that's how Stand battles work.
 
Let me repeat myself, If Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, he can do nothing to cause a single bit of damage to [Star Platinum]. Nothing...
Sure, sticking to Hamon is a good thing if we intend to use SP for the element of surprise, but if Kuyo doesn't have a Stand, there is absolutely nothing he can do to Jotaro because of [Star Platinum]'s protection.

But can SP cover us from all angles at all times? Fire and heat aren't limited to just one threat vector. And Eva did just imply SP's defense wasn't perfect. It's probably best if we can avoid revealing our Stand in front of so many people, anyway, assuming the bystanders don't all run for it. Odds seem good that there are other Stand users around, or at least people who might be able to deduce the existence of one.
 
Stop acting like Stand users can only be defeated by other Stand users.

That kind of attitude is almost certain to get you killed if you don't curb it.
 
ATE 1, part 3
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

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Kurumu sighed, having worked with Moka and Tsukune to make a shell of newspapers to put between themselves and the ice covering the room. It didn't help much, but it was better than nothing. Still, as she shivered miserably and watched her two closest friends do the same, the succubus couldn't help but revisit what Yukari had yelled just minutes before.

'Even though you were brave enough to gamble on your feelings during summer break, now that everyone's dealing with consequences of that you've turned into a coward!'

"Tch," the bluenette grumbled. "I hate it when she's right..."

"Did you say something, Kurumu?"

Rather than answer the question, Kurumu let out a sigh, before arching her back and taking in a huge breath of air to prepare herself! ...and then almost immediately regretting having done so for how damn cold the air was, but whatever!

"Okay!" she called out, pumping her fist into the air! Directly addressing the other prisoners in the room, Kurumu put her foot down! Literally and emphatically, to make sure the frost on the floor wouldn't make her slip and fall! "All three of us know that we need to talk about this," she began, "and none of us have been ready to start it, so it's being started for us. And since Yukari was right about the both of you being weak on initiative --"

"I'm right about way more than just that, you big cow!"

Kurumu almost slipped from surprise at the interruption, and needed a moment to visibly talk herself down from rewarding the annoying under-developed witchling with a comeback. Oh, the time for vengeance would indeed come some day, but only after the current situation were resolved.

Once the vein in her forehead had stopped throbbing, Kurumu took advantage of neither Moka nor Tsukune having been brave enough to speak up. "Then I guess I'm going to have to get this ball rolling," she finished.

Seeing her comrades in suffering nod in agreement, Kurumu put a hand to her chin in thought. "So here's what we're going to do," she said. "First, we're going to consolidate our newspapers and cuddle together to conserve body heat, because my knees are starting to shake uncontrollably and Moka doesn't even have long, heavy socks like I do.

"Second," the bluenette continued before anyone could have a chance to interrupt, "after we've done that, I'm going to spill my guts to you two about my feelings, what I want, and what I don't want. Then, Tsukune will go next, and finally it will be Moka's turn to be honest. Are there any questions?"

Two raised hands answered her, and after a moment's shared hesitation, Moka deferred to Tsukune. "You're not going to let us have any input in how we do this, are you?"

"Damn right I'm not," came the effortlessly reply. "Because if I give either of you half a chance, we'll be stuck right back in indecision hell where we've been since we got back from school, and I don't think there's a single soul in the audience who actually wants that."

"Audience?" Moka asked.

Tsukune could only shrug. "My best guess is she's talking about Mizore and Yukari outside."

Finding no fault with her friend/dinner/crush's reasoning, Moka turned back to Kurumu. "I'm not comfortable about the c-c-cuddling thing," she said even as the cold was beginning to make her jaws twitch, forcing her to stammer.

Kurumu considered this for about three seconds, gazing up and down Moka's increasingly visibly uncomfortable form. "Yeeeeah, I don't care right now. It's for your own good, so quit stalling!"

Human and Vampire yelped together as their buxom cohort grabbed each of them by the arm and dragged them into the corner, before re-arranging their newspapers into a Heat Conservation Nest.

When all was said and done, Kurumu and Tsukune were sitting in the corner, their backs to the wall. Kurumu had intertwined her legs with Tsukune's, and then a tense and fidgety Moka had been forcibly sat in their collective laps and pulled close against the pair, and another few layers of newspapers put over them all like a blanket.

There was an awkward adjustment period of several seconds, as the more reserved of the trio tried to get used to the abrupt decrease in personal space.... but Kurumu's plan to share body heat was working, and the shivers had died down between of them in short order.

"Well, at least I'm not freezing any more," Moka admitted.

The Succubus smiled smugly. "And since the first part of my plan worked perfectly, you have to trust me and follow the second part of it without fail!"

"That logic doesn't really -"

Tsukune was promptly ignored. "So," Kurumu began... and then stopped for a few seconds, the words dying in her throat. The idea of having to open up first was nerve-wracking. But if I don't break the ice, she realized, it'll be even harder for these two.

The stress one voluntarily shoulders for love; Kurumu could only wonder how Mizore managed to do it and still look so calm all the time.

________________

Outside, Mizore suppressed a twitch, waging an internal war between how badly she wanted to be making out with Jotaro and feeling him up for cumulative hours every day, and how badly he needed his personal boundaries respected. Not for the first time, Mizore violently and vehemently cursed the floozies and skanks that had led the object of her affection to put up an emotional wall around himself; a wall topped with barbed wire, and lined with laser defense turrets, and surrounded by a moat of burning pitch, forcing Mizore to negotiate her way in through the front door.

It wouldn't be the last time Mizore swore bloody vengeance upon the nameless masses of groupies in Jotaro's past that were even now making life hard for her.... but just the thought of seeing his face with one less crease of worry, when she and Yukari got their friends out of this idiot phase they were stuck in, calmed the raging blizzard of her heart and returned its state to that of a peaceful snowfield.

Mizore's face betrayed none of this, save for the barest ghost of a smile.

"Mizore," Yukari complained, "I think they've moved into a corner or something, I can't hear what they're saying anymore!"

The Snow Woman shrugged. "This is a private moment," she said after a moment's thought. "I feel bad enough about eavesdropping on them as it is."

The witchling's gaze gained a mischievous glint. "So what you're saying is that you can feel the vibrations through the ice and frost to more-or-less decipher what they're saying, right?"

Mizore considered the question, although truthfully no-one inside was saying anything at the moment. She wanted to respect her friends' privacy, and it was already a grievous intrusion to have forced the issue like this in the first place, no matter how justifiable her and Yukari's actions were.

"If you nag me about it," she slowly began, "I'll turn you into a popsicle."

"Oh, you wouldn't do that," Yukari drawled. "I'm too cute to freeze!"

Mizore pulled out and unwrapped a sucker, before popping it into her mouth as she turned to her co-conspirator. Folding her arms over her chest and leaning against the frozen door to the Newspaper Club office, one question fell from her lips.

"You wanna test that?"

_____________________

"So I'm utterly convinced that you're my Man of Destiny, Tsukune. You're almost certainly the only one who will ever be able to give me kids, but even if we look past the pressure I feel to continue my species' existence, I still want to spend the rest of my life with you."

Turning the fraction of an inch to be facing Moka instead of Tsukune, Kurumu continued. "Having said that? After everything we've been through together, Moka, you're my best friend and I don't want to hurt you -- when I see you looking miserable, it makes me miserable too. So even though I want to be together with Tsukune forever, I want you to be happy too. I'm just frustrated that you waited so long to long to be honest with yourself about your feelings with Tsukune. Now, I'll let you chew on that for a minute, it's Tsukune's turn to talk now."

[TO BE CONTINUED --->]
 
You evil son of a bitch.
I actually have, like, 1000 more words already written, but the whole thing was getting so big and no idea when I'll finish it, so I elected to post it in chunks.

At least y'all are finally getting to see how that little incident actually panned out/how the trio went from dysfunctional angst to semi-functional normalcy again.

(although I am actually curious what specifically prompted the declaration of the deed being dastardly)
 
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My mood went from "Oh, you..." when I realized it wasn't a regular update, to "Oh shit, it's this conversation. By all means, continue."
 
Y'Know, Kuyo Really is exactly what he claims to hate.

Like, Literally all of his actions scream the kind of dictator tactics that are used to get people to commit those kinds of atrocities.

Tie that into the fact that this school is meant for Co-Existence, and Kuyos basically spitting for everything that the academy is meant to stand for.
 
Y'Know, Kuyo Really is exactly what he claims to hate.

Like, Literally all of his actions scream the kind of dictator tactics that are used to get people to commit those kinds of atrocities.

Tie that into the fact that this school is meant for Co-Existence, and Kuyos basically spitting for everything that the academy is meant to stand for.

Or that most of the violence within the school comes from monsters giving in to their natures. Outside of the school how many would happily EAT each other?
 
Y'Know, Kuyo Really is exactly what he claims to hate.

Like, Literally all of his actions scream the kind of dictator tactics that are used to get people to commit those kinds of atrocities.

Tie that into the fact that this school is meant for Co-Existence, and Kuyos basically spitting for everything that the academy is meant to stand for.
Or that most of the violence within the school comes from monsters giving in to their natures. Outside of the school how many would happily EAT each other?

It's painfuly hypocritical

It's just as painfully hypocritical as most of humanity and the fact that the school hires teachers like that Medusa.

Just like the real world the number of jackasses to decent people ratio sucks and most of those decent people don't say or do anything because it's a lot harder to be a good guy then an asshole.

Don't judge him too harshly because he's got something of a point People aren't exactly great. A person can be. People are reactionary morons despite being made up of persons. Regardless if human or Monster this is generally the same.
 
Just like the real world the number of jackasses to decent people ratio sucks and most of those decent people don't say or do anything because it's a lot harder to be a good guy then an asshole.

Don't judge him too harshly because he's got something of a point People aren't exactly great. A person can be. People are reactionary morons despite being made up of persons. Regardless if human or Monster this is generally the same.


I call bullshit. People can be bastards, it's true, but more often than not, they are decent, kind, and do want to help others. They just have their own problems and shit to deal with, so they end up focusing on that over what they feel is out of their control. Likewise, most Monsters emnity towards humanity stems from a fear of humanity rather than hatred, a fear that Kuyo is deliberately exacerbating into something far worse. Yes, they do show that they give in to their own vices far too easily, but there's more to them than just that.


The danger or people like Kuyo is that they take an ounce of truth, wrap in in layers of fear-mongering, charisma, and outright lies, and present it as the sole thing people should listen to, with almost religious fervour. They make sure no one can speak out against their ideas, they control primarily through force and fear. They NEED to make sure no other ideals enter their little system, because if they do, then when they give the populace an enemy, then at least some people will be able to see past the bullshit and they won't have control.



I'd argue that it's the opposite of what Kuyo Claims: Most people do strive to be good, but that it's far easier for one selfish bastard to tear down a lifetimes amount of good work, very quickly. And right now, Kuyo threatens to do exactly that, regardless of how noble he's convinced he is.
 
I call bullshit. People can be bastards, it's true, but more often than not, they are decent, kind, and do want to help others. They just have their own problems and shit to deal with, so they end up focusing on that over what they feel is out of their control. Likewise, most Monsters emnity towards humanity stems from a fear of humanity rather than hatred, a fear that Kuyo is deliberately exacerbating into something far worse. Yes, they do show that they give in to their own vices far too easily, but there's more to them than just that.


The danger or people like Kuyo is that they take an ounce of truth, wrap in in layers of fear-mongering, charisma, and outright lies, and present it as the sole thing people should listen to, with almost religious fervour. They make sure no one can speak out against their ideas, they control primarily through force and fear. They NEED to make sure no other ideals enter their little system, because if they do, then when they give the populace an enemy, then at least some people will be able to see past the bullshit and they won't have control.



I'd argue that it's the opposite of what Kuyo Claims: Most people do strive to be good, but that it's far easier for one selfish bastard to tear down a lifetimes amount of good work, very quickly. And right now, Kuyo threatens to do exactly that, regardless of how noble he's convinced he is.

I agree.


I believe people are selfish Petty and sometimes cruel but they try to be better and in general tend towards the good.

However I'm just playing Fox's advocate here and saying there's something to what he's saying. Because if humanity at large discovered monsterkind ( Speedwagon foundation doesn't count as they're aware and are led by the best guys) then you can certainly expect the same kind of reaction from them.

He needs a face reordering via star platinum i'd Be the first to agree to that but I'd also say he's a symptom rather then a cause. We can't just beat him into the ground we need to destroy his entire argument and stance.
 
He needs a face reordering via star platinum i'd Be the first to agree to that but I'd also say he's a symptom rather then a cause. We can't just beat him into the ground we need to destroy his entire argument and stance.
I agree - If we can't cause people to question what exactly he's preaching, or otherwise point out the holes in it, Then it doesn't matter, ultimately, if we win this fight. Kuyo's views will continue to spread and be thought of as "Truth"

However, until we know why he decided upon this path, at best, He's a Symptom who will become a cause - The kind of actions he advocates for will ultimately become a self fulfilling prophecy. We have yet to see an individual event that caused him to focus in on humanity as a "Threat to the planet", however, so until then, I at least end up assuming that it's more from general Anti-human sentiment and a focus on mankinds historical failings.

Also, Sorry if I felt a little bit rant-y there. I really loathe what individuals like Kuyo can do to people if their kind of ideology isn't challenged.
 
[X] Silently urge Mizore to keep her cool. If Kuyo wants violence, make him be the one to start it.

[X] Take out Kuyo.
 
ATE 1, part 4
"So I'm utterly convinced that you're my Man of Destiny, Tsukune. You're almost certainly the only one who will ever be able to give me kids, but even disregarding the pressure I feel to continue my species' existence, I still want to spend the rest of my life with you."

Turning the fraction of an inch to be facing Moka instead of Tsukune, Kurumu continued. "Having said that? After everything we've been through together, you're my best friend and I don't want to hurt you -- when I see you looking miserable, it makes me miserable too. So even though I want to be together with Tsukune forever, I want you to be happy too. I'm just frustrated that you waited so long to long to be honest with yourself about your feelings with Tsukune. Now, I'll let you chew on that for a minute, it's Tsukune's turn to talk now."

If not for Moka partially sitting in his lap and being cuddled against Kurumu in the corner, Tsukune would have jumped in surprise. As it was, his flinching still led to some unintended consequences. "T-that was pretty abrupt!"
Moka's cheeks turned a violent pink from how they all had bumped together, and she only hid it thanks to her hair being in the way.
"Or we could all freeze together in here," Kurumu snarked. "At least it won't be as bad as if we were alone."

That's the real reason Yukari brought Mizore into this, Tsukune consciously realized. By threatening to freeze us to death, she's created a greater sense of urgency to make us stop fumbling around and get on with it.

But even so, just because they were all potentially in danger didn't make it any easier to deal with. And yet even as he thought that, he remembered what Mizore and Jotaro-senpai had said to him before, that both Moka and Kurumu deserved the truth about his feelings. And he couldn't disagree with that; indeed, the more he thought about it, the more fervently he did agree with them.

Guess I need to just hurry up and do it, then, and deal with the consequences later.

Tsukune let out a sigh, which turned into a vapor cloud in the cold air right before it dissipated. "My feelings, huh?"

Closing his eyes and leaning his head back, Tsukune found himself thankful again for the layers of newspapers insulating them all from the cold that Mizore had subjected them to. "Kurumu, you say you want to spend the rest of your life with me, and honestly, if there's a single word for how I feel about that, it's... overwhelming. I mean, yeah, there's a part of me - male ego, I guess - that feels really good and proud when you say stuff like that, but the rest of me is just... kind of lost."

Tsukune opened his eyes, and saw tears beginning to form in Kurumu's. "Not that I have anything against the idea, because I totally don't! But just living with someone new is a huge step, and right now I can't even imagine that. I mean, maybe part of it's because I'm the only human in the room, but... I'm just some kid who's still in high school. Most guys I knew back home would treat this kind of situation like a fantasy, being so close to the two most beautiful girls around at the same time. But fantasy is the word, there. And even if for me it's reality, that doesn't mean I have the experience or preparedness to deal with it."

Reaching an arm over Moka's legs to pat Kurumu's hand, his voice and expression were gentle. "You are important to me, and while I used to be happy just to be friends with you, now I'm happy to be your boyfriend. I do like being with you, and thinking about not being able to see or hang out with you is... well, it really sucks, so I try not to do it that much."

His attempt at a joke worked as intended, bringing a small chuckle from the girls entangled with him, even in spite of herself in Moka's case. "But even so," he admitted seriously, "the kinds of stuff you talk about so easily... I'm just not ready to make that kind of commitment yet. It's not that I don't want to, but if I made that promise today, I don't know if I could back it up. And you deserve better than to be treated that way, by me or by anyone."

Kurumu was still starting to cry, but she wiped them away with a smile - the motion incidentally pulling Moka even closer to her.
Ohmigodohmigodohmigodohmigodohmigod
"Tsukune... you say you're not ready, and then you say things like that that make me fall even harder for you."

It stung, to hear Tsukune admit outright that he couldn't match her feelings for him... but at the same time, he wasn't pushing her away, either. He couldn't keep up with her breakneck pace, but he was still trying to work with her feelings in a way that wouldn't hurt her.

Never in a million years should it have been an epiphany, with the way they'd known each other since they met, and yet the sudden realization brought tears anew. He respects me, she realized.

Right then and there, in the freezer that had earlier been the Newspaper Club office, Kurumu could have kissed him. And she undoubtedly would have...

"So what about me, Tsukune? Am I just a third wheel now?"

...if not for the anguished vampire sitting in her lap.

[TO BE CONTINUED ---->]
 
Shit has been mildly fucked over the last couple of days, so I still haven't got the thing finished yet.

50-50 odds on whether the next post will be Part 5 of this conversation, or a return to the bit y'all actually voted on.

Speaking of, votes are still open. For the benefit of anyone who hasn't called in yet.
 
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