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I dunno if skaven would even be a thing yet. It depends on the lore that is being used. Either way, I'm reasonably sure that the skaven didn't show up until...after the Time of Woes? I think? Back when ol' Tyleus created the Not!TowerofBabel in Tilea and gave it that big huge bell and then whoopsie doopsie that fertile plain becomes a big ol' swamp and suddenly skaven. The huge dwarf/human city of Tylos/Kazvar what had that idiot. Of course, he couldn't have built it without making covenant with the nice peaceful Goddess Myrmidia to make the real cool city for his real cool tribe and his real cool pride. Then...he got jealous of the elves and their towers and ended up, well. Yeah.

So unless we can know, for sure, if Tylos/Kazvar is a thing yet, or already was, or what have you, I think we're all right on the skaven front. Unless that lore is not the one being used.
 
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Raki - Rat, as of the Golden Age there is no association with the Skaven given they...you know, don't exist.

this is what soul said at the end of the update.

i also don't know if humans would have gotten to Tilea at this point?
 
Raki - Rat, as of the Golden Age there is no association with the Skaven given they...you know, don't exist.

this is what soul said at the end of the update.

i also don't know if humans would have gotten to Tilea at this point?
Last time humans were discussed I thiiiiink It was said that they are still tribes.

Not sure for certain if that's still a thing though.
 
It may have evolved to specifically refer to Skaven after they showed up.
The problem is that there are no detailed accounts of Skaven history. Since we don't know how the Skaven came to be and wether the Dwarfs used the "Raki" synonymous for normal rats and Skaven, we can only speculate how the meaning and the context of the word evolved.

Depending on how it is pronounced, written and used in the dwarven language we would either get a homonym (the word is written and pronounced in the same way and refers to two different things) or a heteronym (the word is written and pronounced differently, but refers to the same thing = this can be an actual thing, if the Skaven are culturally seen as "rats" or on the same level of them).

This leads us to:
--> a semantic expansion
(Skaven were sorted under the semantic group of "Raki", because specific features fell away over time)

--> a semantic shift
(Over time the word "Raki" was used more and more to describe Skaven and shifted its semantic meaning toward something new. The word only peripherally describes its origin.)

--> Bedeutungsverschlechterung
(I really don't know how to translate this properly, since I never had anglistic, but negative semantic change comes closest...)

(the meaning of the word worsened from a social, moral and stylistical point of view.)

As long as we don't know the origins of the word and how its context changed we'll never know for sure.

It's rather interesting though.
 
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I dunno if skaven would even be a thing yet. It depends on the lore that is being used. Either way, I'm reasonably sure that the skaven didn't show up until...after the Time of Woes? I think? Back when ol' Tyleus created the Not!TowerofBabel in Tilea and gave it that big huge bell and then whoopsie doopsie that fertile plain becomes a big ol' swamp and suddenly skaven. The huge dwarf/human city of Tylos/Kazvar what had that idiot. Of course, he couldn't have built it without making covenant with the nice peaceful Goddess Myrmidia to make the real cool city for his real cool tribe and his real cool pride. Then...he got jealous of the elves and their towers and ended up, well. Yeah.

So unless we can know, for sure, if Tylos/Kazvar is a thing yet, or already was, or what have you, I think we're all right on the skaven front. Unless that lore is not the one being used.
Skaven are roughly -1700 IIRC and Rise of Skaven is a thing that will remain unchanging as per Soulcake info post on which events are set in stone. So they are not a thing here yet, but we met something remotely similar, at least in name. Was a cool bit.
To be honest, we have got a Set Combo that we know works called Grimnirs Burning Wroth. I think it should be useable on the Gronti Panoply, and also think that it would be very fitting. It would eliminate using the rune of immolation on the Gronti proper however, as it would be entirely redundant (I thought that MAwakening + Rune of Grimnir + Rune of Immolation would go for decent Grimnir impersonation. RoG for drawing on, well Grimnir, his manifestation as general. And immolation for his fiery fury. But Burning Wroth makes that redundant).
 
Just to clarify because it's in the item description but not exactly in the vote of materials and stuff -- in this bit here "1 action pt 1, 3 Actions pt 2, Use Barak Azamar, Zharrgal, and the Anvil of the Earth." I mean -- but, Skarrenbakraz is definitely using Adamant right? :V

Shame we can't use Kholek's Brain on a Rune of Forged Eye.

Imagine what a Talisman with that would be like. It might even perhaps, uniquely, give a Dwarf the ability to see the Winds of Magic themselves!

... Ah well. A cool idea that I've had too late.

But. You know what else is noted for being able to see Magic? Cygors and Fimir and Brana. I think that could be a cool ingredient to ask for; a Cygor's or Fimir's eye. ... In fact, you know what? We are about to go to war with the Fimir. We might see a high-tier Fimir ingredient of some sort!

So, here's an idea for a Talisman. The Talisman of Second Sight, the Talisman of the Third Eye.

Rune of Forged Eye, Rune of Thungni(?), and a third Rune of some sort, perhaps Rune of Light
. (MAmplificationSnerra, MPurification, Spell-something, MAmplification, Light, Gazul's Rune of Ties, who knows.)

Thungni is to help make sense of things and to give it that Runesmith feel. And also provide some defense. The third Rune also needs to be something like that, I think. It could be Spellbreaking/binding/eating/etc, it could be MPurification, it could be Stubbornness (the intent with Stubbornness or Stoicism is to provide a "Dwarfy" tone to it; that of "Yeah, I'm seeing the magic, but I'm not gonna be affected by doing so, curse you!"), I'm not sure.

... For all we know, it could wind up being the Rune we got from Gazul. It depends on if fate was a Primordial Force in the world, or if the act of cutting ties was a primordial act or whatnot. Probably not, but.

Anyway. "Light" could be an interesting Rune to go for -- because, well... Who would argue that Night and Day aren't Primordial Forces themselves?

I can't decide on what exact Runes to go for here though, so I might just leave it with a Themed or Description rather than giving the runes directly.

The description would be something like "Seeing the Winds of Magic" or "Primordial Light" or "Primordial Sun".

Snerra's Master Rune of Amplification might be necessary for pulling this thing off; it might need to be on there in order to boost the other two runes enough to do it. In which case it'd be MSnerra, Forged Eye, and Thungni or Light.


(A different Talisman/Prosthetic idea might be: Forged Eye and Ties. That could be cool. Possibly feels a bit stepping on the Ancestor's business though? Dunno. Maybe it'll let people see Dooms or the Wyrd of a being or something though.)
 
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever

Got to say, the simplistic elegance of the cloak and combo appeals to me. Barak Azamar provides the energy, the cloak provides the fine control and energy conversion, and Zharrgal acts as the conduit and the extra oomph, nice and straightforward, even if you ignore the thematic implications and all that. Not to mention, honestly, it seems like it'd be the most effective counter we could make, in a situation like this? I mean, on this campaign we're going to be dealing with unprecedented, obscene quantities of magic inundating everything. Runesmiths might benefit a bit, but traditional spellcasters, which we'll probably see plenty of from the Fimir and Beastmen, are almost certainly going to end up being hugely empowered, if somewhat volatile. Rather then purely trying to suppress the Winds in a situation like this, it seems like going with the flow and borrowing from their powers, albeit in a much more controlled manner then a normal spellcaster, seems like the way to go. Redirect the torrent instead of trying to stop it altogether.

Not to mention, something like the cloak would probably be extremely synergistic with the Ur-Storm, or whatever we call that beast of a tempest the KoTS has hovering above the Throng whenever he joins the campaigns. We could channel and borrow the energy from the storm on top of Barak Azamar's energy to pull off some crazy shit, alongside probably acting as a ground controller and hopefully improving it's stability, which it's probably gonna reeeeaaaally need, when the Winds are storming like they will be this turn.
 
Ah, yeah, forgot about that bit. My bad. Shoulda re-read that.
Nah, i just grabbed your post because it was last in discussion, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Skaven in GW canon did not appear to exist until Doom of Kavzar, which is set sometime after War of Vengeance, and nothing in this quest suggests things will be different.
 
Also, I've got to ask....how exactly does one apply a giant brain to significantly smaller, less awkwardly shaped piece of equipment? Do we like...grind it up and rub it onto the cloak?
 
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.
 
MAwakening + Rune of Grimnir + Rune of Immolation would go for decent Grimnir impersonation. RoG for drawing on, well Grimnir, his manifestation as general. And immolation for his fiery fury. But Burning Wroth makes that redundant).
Rune of Immolation would fit a lot more with the raging charging fiery gronti, and Burning Wroth sounds like it will make this reality even fiercer.

The reason I didn't include then was because I did not see them in the detailed rune list, so my bad on that.

Though stacking fire with more fire and impact and fury along with the MTraversal and whatnot is probably just going to reinforce it all even further, though whether that much firepower would be really necessary is up for debate.

I was just trying to brainstorm a general idea for the gronti and it's equipment so that we have something to work from. I did go back and re-read the old plans but they require compressing 2-3 combos and that's going to take a long while.
 
Rune of Immolation would fit a lot more with the raging charging fiery gronti, and Burning Wroth sounds like it will make this reality even fiercer.

The reason I didn't include then was because I did not see them in the detailed rune list, so my bad on that.

Though stacking fire with more fire and impact and fury along with the MTraversal and whatnot is probably just going to reinforce it all even further, though whether that much firepower would be really necessary is up for debate.

I was just trying to brainstorm a general idea for the gronti and it's equipment so that we have something to work from. I did go back and re-read the old plans but they require compressing 2-3 combos and that's going to take a long while.
Its more that Pyrestrike and the resulting set combo would make the Immolation rune just... not matter in grand scheme of things. It already explodes a lot (honestly the jumping rune, 3 dwarven heights when the thing is Bloodthirster sized will look completely batshit insane in battle. Things that fucking large were not meant to move like that). But yeah. I would definitely try to work Pyrestrike, Meteorfall and uhhh, the last one that i forgot for that set bonus. By the time we set out to craft it, any issues with crafting the same runes should be gone.
 
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