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Revolution (RWBY Planeswalker Blake)

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Problem is not lack of vegetation (i have zero idea what menagerie is like), well, not really.
Problem is that if/when Faunus manage to actually make something good out of it, we can expect humans to push them somewhere worse.
Blake needs to not only find a way to aid her people, but also stop humans from instantly destroying anything they build.
 
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Valmond said:
i have zero idea what menagerie is like
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About three-quarters desert, and the whole thing is basically Fantasy Australia in terms of hostile wildlife. EDIT: There are also some pretty heavily parallels to Native American reservations, IE relocating people to some of the worst land they could find.
 
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Alivaril said:
About three-quarters desert, and the whole thing is basically Fantasy Australia in terms of hostile wildlife. EDIT: There are also some pretty heavily parallels to Native American reservations, IE relocating people to some of the worst land they could find.
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Yeah, about what one would expect.
And if they ever do manage to turn that three quarters desert into something decent to live on, i would assume it's time to move, for "reasons", and some humans move in.

So somebody said something about a throne and cracking bones, i am thinking they may be onto something. :V
 
If some of that nasty wild life is actual life as opposed to grimm, taking home the secrets of take over magic alone might be a major advantage.
 
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Valmond said:
Problem is that if/when Faunus manage to actually make something good out of it, we can expect humans to push them somewhere worse.
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If we can manage to magically terraform a nation we can probably manage to do enough magic at said nation to improve it's defenses enough to make it impossible to successfully invade.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to improve Menagerie and call it a day.

It's not enough to just improve Menagerie, I think we can probably make it a fantastic and impregnable nation, but that only helps the problem, it doesn't solve it. There will always be Faunus in other nations unable or unwilling to move so we still need to improve their lot in life, and, besides, Faunus shouldn't be forced to hide away in a single corner of the world. They should be able to travel the world in safety, free of fear that they'll be mistreated for what they are.

I want to improve Menagerie ... that's just not the only thing I want to do.

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I assumed we were all lowkey planning to try and figure out large scale defenses as an anti-Grimm thing anyway, right?
 
King Arthur said:
If we can manage to magically terraform a nation we can probably manage to do enough magic at said nation to improve it's defenses enough to make it impossible to successfully invade.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to improve Menagerie and call it a day.

It's not enough to just improve Menagerie, I think we can probably make it a fantastic and impregnable nation, but that only helps the problem, it doesn't solve it. There will always be Faunus in other nations unable or unwilling to move so we still need to improve their lot in life, and, besides, Faunus shouldn't be forced to hide away in a single corner of the world. They should be able to travel the world in safety, free of fear that they'll be mistreated for what they are.

I want to improve Menagerie ... that's just not the only thing I want to do.

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I assumed we were all lowkey planning to try and figure out large scale defenses as an anti-Grimm thing anyway, right?
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I'm not sure that follows, in some ways making land more habitable makes it easier to invade. Wether we can also provide defenses against rest of the world is a separate issue.

Just having an impregnable nation is not enough, agreed. Not sure how we are going, if not fix, then atleast improve, the racism situation, as real world shows that there needs to be more than just few laws saying equal rights are now a thing. But gaining enough power to force other nations put those laws in the books would be a good start.

As for defenses, nah, i am plotting world domination. :V
Well, more seriously, i think it is way too early to plan for anything before we learn lot more about what we can do.
 
Yeah the problem I see is that so far we're relying entirely on neo-walker Mana sense, something that normal people don't have.

We need to learn how to teach powers to other people. Preferably MTG geomancy because then we can act as a researcher of sorts by developing spells for them to learn, but Fairy Tail mages don't seem to use MTG geomancy. Either they are calling on an internal reserve of Mana like we are most of the time, they have a fundamentally different meta-physique than remnant humanoids, or there's some other shenanigans we don't know about yet.

Hopefully we can learn how they initiate into magic usage, and it's something Remni can do, at least for one or more disciplines that would be helpful back home.
 
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I'm honestly not that interested in finding ways to teach people in one setting the powers from another setting.
Providing machines (and ways to build/fix them), new plants (if we can find a way to transport them) or animals, or even magical artifacts is more something i am more interested in.
It is a reasonable and logical path to take, don't mistake me, and we'll probably end up doing something like that if it is an options.
 
Well technically MTG geomancy is already part of every setting connected to the blind eternities, it's what walkers run on primarily and given that a walker was born on remnant it probably means that it's there in some form or another.
 
Well, if we want to get really technical, this being a crossover means that remnant and fairy tail are one setting and just different location.
But i am fairly sure most can parse what i meant.
 
See that's the thing, MTG geomancy isn't fairy tail magic, it's the core principal that the planes function on. There are myriad planes many of which have their own forms of magic, but it's all based on MTG geomancy at some level. This is what walkers use and sense, but non-walkers, and even some non-sapients, can tap into this power by forming land bonds.
 
By the way, i was thinking....
Black-Blue is a classic Mill color combo. Isn't mill treated as a memory erasure in-universe?
 
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Yes, i get your point, i just don't feel it has anything to do with my point.
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You said you didn't want to just import a bunch of powers from other planes, fair enough some of them might not work under Remni's conditions, I think we'd notice if some of the planar phenomena that MTG cooked up over the years was in play, and there's certainly no celestial keys on remnant that I know of.

But mtg style Mana manipulation has already been made part of the remnant setting in this timeline.

It's already in play.
 
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w34v3r said:
You said you didn't want to just import a bunch of powers from other planes, fair enough some of them might not work under Remni's conditions, I think we'd notice if some of the planar phenomena that MTG cooked up over the years was in play, and there's certainly no celestial keys on remnant that I know of.

But mtg style Mana manipulation has already been made part of the remnant setting in this timeline.

It's already in play.
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Yet it is not actually part of everyday remnant stuff, because if it was, we would not need to be teaching it.

I'm not sure how Remnant really works in this crossover, we did not actually spend much time there, but then i am not that familiar with Remnant period (only watched the first volume, though i have seen some spoilers for later events), so not really that important.
For now, i am interested in exploring Fairy Tail setting, and Blakes mana based abilities.
And talking to our new friends who we are so rudely ignoring. :V
 
It had enough mana for a Walker to emerge, dust is a possible local mana phenomena.

Hmmmmmmmm

Fire Dust Mine
Land
Tap: Tap any number of untapped creatures you control, create fire dust tokens equal to their combined toughness. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
Good, honest work in the mines, as long as you don't sneeze.

Fire Dust
Token Artifact - Dust
Tap: Sacrifice this artifact. Deal three damage to target creature, or add RRR to your mana pool.
 
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Valmond said:
Problem is not lack of vegetation (i have zero idea what menagerie is like), well, not really.
Problem is that if/when Faunus manage to actually make something good out of it, we can expect humans to push them somewhere worse.
Blake needs to not only find a way to aid her people, but also stop humans from instantly destroying anything they build.
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Imo the obvious solution is to focus on military power. Which in rwby mostly boils down to train everyone as a hunter(wo)man.
Afteral international diplomacy is basically a mix of might makes right and trading considerations, and with the obvious lack of any of the second it makes matters pretty simple...
Because no matter how cynic it might sound, ultimately you only get treated equally once you are strong enough to actually be equal. Take the IRL modern international scene: who bullies who? what countries get effectively invaded by foreign armies, and what countries get "threatened" by nice words instead?
Just asking for equality doesn't give anything other than maybe nice speachs when election day is near.

So... Get Menagerie to create a Faunus Hunter School, use the produced hunters to liberate more land, savage land gets transformed into living and farm land (probably through liberal use of semblances), use the White Fang to liberate all Faunus exploited in the other kingdoms for faster population growth that can be feed into the previous, and you get yourself a fifth kingdom.
 
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Ayashi said:
Imo the obvious solution is to focus on military power*.
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I believe i have made my stance on military solutions quite clear. :V
Valmond said:
So somebody said something about a throne and cracking bones, i am thinking they may be onto something. :V
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Valmond said:
As for defenses, nah, i am plotting world domination. :V
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I don't know where the quest will take us when we finally return to Remnant, but personally i am all for punching some bigots being a significant part of the solution to bigotry.
 
Ayashi said:
So... Get Menagerie to create a Faunus Hunter School, use the produced hunters to liberate more land, savage land gets transformed into living and farm land (probably through liberal use of semblances), use the White Fang to liberate all Faunus exploited in the other kingdoms for faster population growth that can be feed into the previous, and you get yourself a fifth kingdom.
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The problem being that it's a fifth kingdom with no trading partners, and people actively opposing it getting any.

Relying purely on the ability to outbuild Atlas is a fools game without some sort of edge.
 
w34v3r said:
The problem being that it's a fifth kingdom with no trading partners, and people actively opposing it getting any.

Relying purely on the ability to outbuild Atlas is a fools game without some sort of edge.
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That's only the case because Menagerie has nothing TO trade in-canon. Besides maybe unskilled workforce which obviously leads to exploitation and eventually slavery.
 
I'm thinking that the solution is likely going to be a mix of overwhelming personal might to a point where we become a strategic threat in our own right, and abusing that might and planeswalking to gather insane amounts of wealth and resources both for building and trading.

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That's only the case because Menagerie has nothing TO trade in-canon. Besides maybe unskilled workforce which obviously leads to exploitation and eventually slavery.
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That Menageria has nothing to trade is not an accident, assume that acquiring anything worth trading will be quickly followed by an army coming to take it.

Just having a hunter school is not enough (and creating one might also lead to invasion). We need to be able to move fast when we do.
Giving the powers that are oppressing Faunus time to act before we are too powerful to be pushed around is likely to lead to failure (or atleast long and protracted struggle).
 
Though if we could kill and animate Jaques as a zombie and have him sign over a bunch of stuff to his workers that might be fun.
 
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Though if we could kill and animate Jaques as a zombie and have him sign over a bunch of stuff to his workers that might be fun.
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i do like this idea. I mean, let's be honest: the world is shit. At this point, if we want freedom we can't ask it, because they simply won't give it to us as long as it's profitablle. So we have to take it.
 
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