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Renascence: A Homura Quest

Honorifics or Western-style Titles? I've used both before, which is bothersomely inconsistent

  • Japanese Honorifics (-san, -sama, -dono, -chan, -kun, -senpai, etcetera)

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Western Titles (Mister, Miss, job titles, Lord, Lady, etcetera)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Use whichever works better for a given sentence.

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • Total voters
    36
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Mecrazyfang said:
@Carinthium please, stop arguing your current line of thought. It is legitimately upsetting other players.

Don't argue. Don't ask why. You are making people upset, and nobody wants to see another massive argument. Just stop pushing that train of thought.
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You are asking me to, metaphorically speaking, turn my brain off. You are asking me to accept, on authority, that you are right.

Both of these are acts a rational person would never undertake- the first at all on general principle, the second without overwhelming evidence you lack.

My reasoning is sound, and nobody has even come up with an argument against it that leads me to even doubt based on my epistemic standards.

RazorBlaxe said:
Dude. Space Battleship Yamato vs Walpurgisnacht. (I'm still not over the fact that I can now spell that! [squeeing intensifies])
Write it. Write it or I swear to god I'll learn how to teleport just for the sole reason to reach where you are and smack you with a tuna. You can't just tempt people like that! It's rude!
I know, which is why it was against my better judgement to help someone who grossly misunderstood Homura as a character and a person. Case in point, the post above the post the post above the post above mine (stop ninjaing me you godamn ninjas! really stop! please). Just chill and leave him to his delusions. Stubborn hardass like them won't change their opinions even if you smack them with a tuna for weeks non-stop. Think fluffy things when you see his posts. That's what I do.
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You're treating Homura as a ridicolously pure Paragon. I hope we can at least agree that Homura has a significant degree of selfishness in her- otherwise she would have asked to ressurect Madoka Kaname, given what she knew at the time, rather than asking for a second chance with Madoka.

I never said Homura stopped caring entirely. But Madoka comes first to her. Only Madoka's death can make Homura resolve on a rewind. The fact that Kyoko won't kill familiars doesn't bother her when she offers the territory. She threatens to kill Sayaka, and appears to mean it.
 
Carinthium said:
You are asking me to, metaphorically speaking, turn my brain off. You are asking me to accept, on authority, that you are right.

Both of these are acts a rational person would never undertake- the first at all on general principle, the second without overwhelming evidence you lack.

My reasoning is sound, and nobody has even come up with an argument against it that leads me to even doubt based on my epistemic standards.



You're treating Homura as a ridicolously pure Paragon. I hope we can at least agree that Homura has a significant degree of selfishness in her- otherwise she would have asked to ressurect Madoka Kaname, given what she knew at the time, rather than asking for a second chance with Madoka.

I never said Homura stopped caring entirely. But Madoka comes first to her. Only Madoka's death can make Homura resolve on a rewind. The fact that Kyoko won't kill familiars doesn't bother her when she offers the territory. She threatens to kill Sayaka, and appears to mean it.
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No. I'm not asking you to accept my authority.

I'm asking you to stop pissing people off.

I don't give a flying fuck who's right or wrong. I don't care who the hell you are. You could be Ford Prefect, and I would still ask you to cut this shit out. Not because I don't agree with you.

No, it's because people, myself included, are upset and personally offended.

Don't ask why. Just drop the subject. Please. In the interest of keeping conversation civil, stop upsetting others. Go ahead and keep posting, just, stop pushing this viewpoint. Please.
 
Carinthium said:
You're treating Homura as a ridicolously pure Paragon. I hope we can at least agree that Homura has a significant degree of selfishness in her- otherwise she would have asked to ressurect Madoka Kaname, given what she knew at the time, rather than asking for a second chance with Madoka.
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When did I ever claim that Homura is a ridiculously pure Paragon? Stop putting words in my mouth. And to counter your illogical statement, you are treating Homura as if she is just a ridiculously pure Renegade. Don't be silly. People are people. Labels don't work on people. Stop looking things from a machine point of view. Stop trying to rationalise the actions and behavior of someone who's time looping. Stop trying to bring logic in every single thing.

All you're doing is pissing everyone else off and giving them headaches at the same time. When people ask you to stop, when the mods tell you to stop, maybe there is a very good reason why? So quit while you're still ahead before you get banned from another thread mate.

EDIT: Case in point, four different mods have shown up to tell you to stop on four different occasions in this thread. That's four times more than everyone else here ever had. So please, just stop.
 
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Mecrazyfang said:
No. I'm not asking you to accept my authority.

I'm asking you to stop pissing people off.

I don't give a flying fuck who's right or wrong. I don't care who the hell you are. You could be Ford Prefect, and I would still ask you to cut this shit out. Not because I don't agree with you.

No, it's because people, myself included, are upset and personally offended.

Don't ask why. Just drop the subject. Please. In the interest of keeping conversation civil, stop upsetting others. Go ahead and keep posting, just, stop pushing this viewpoint. Please.
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Since you're using such emotive arguments, I'll respond in kind.

I strive to be a rational person by nature. I may be far from perfect at it, but it's a core part of my identity. It's as far to say my identity is that of a rational person as it is to say that Mami's identity in canon is that of a magical girl, or that of Sayaka Miki from her wish until her death.

A rational person questions things because there is a good rational case for questioning. They do not stop questioning simply because it's inconvienient.

As for the rest, I'll get to it in a sec. Dinner's on the table where I am.

RazorBlaxe said:
When did I ever claim that Homura is a ridiculously pure Paragon? Stop putting words in my mouth. And to counter your illogical statement, you are treating Homura as if she is just a ridiculously pure Renegade. Don't be silly. People are people. Labels don't work on people. Stop looking things from a machine point of view. Stop trying to rationalise the actions and behavior of someone who's time looping. Stop trying to bring logic in every single thing.

All you're doing is pissing everyone else off and giving them headaches at the same time. When people ask you to stop, when the mods tell you to stop, maybe there is a very good reason why? So quit while you're still ahead before you get banned from another thread mate.
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See above for your second paragraph.

As for the first- I would argue that, at the minimum during the duration of the Final Timeline and possibly a bit further before (I don't know for sure, to be fair), to Homura Madoka comes first. She would accept any solution she thought of that saved Madoka, regardless of the others.

However much you claim she cares, I don't see how you can get around that fact because the evidence for it is overwhelming. Homura only loops when Madoka dies- nobody else. She loops because of Madoka dying, no matter how good the circumstances are (see Oriko manga).
 
Mecrazyfang said:
It is possible to enlist the aid of Alucard in handling Walpurgisnacht.

It is possible to hook Mami up with the Black Power Ranger, to stabilize her emotional state.

Because crossovers are going to happen. Let's abuse the shit out of them.
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I will not answer those right now.

TheBleachDoctor said:
We can acquire the Space Battleship Yamato.

If not...

We can acquire the Space Battleship Yamato if TheBleachDoctor writes an Omake.
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Writing an Omake will not get you a Space Battleship.

Whether getting such a thing is possible with sufficient effort IC is another question, however, and I won't answer that right now.

Carinthium said:
Alright then. I'll drop it and move on to a new idea, if it's impossible as a Canon scenario. I'll trust that there's a good reason why Homura never tried the kidnapping plan (the alternative being that she's an illogical dumbass, which is o.k for most 14 year olds but not for an epic hero).
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You misunderstand. There's already a Canon loop where she decided to "take everyone and run," rather than fight Walpurgisnacht. It failed utterly. Yours can't be Canon because the Canon is already established, and seh would never try that plan a second time.

-I don't see how Homura would possibly pull off a city-wide evacuation no matter how hard she tried. I agree she would if possible, but realistically it wouldn't be.
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You underestimate the Homu. It can be done, because she's done it. It just takes creativity, extreme measures, or both.

Now, please drop the argument. Continuing to fight over this is only causing people to be pissed off, undermining the point of playing a game in the first place and disrupting the experience. Not to mention derailing discussion not related to your idea.

It might be better to say that the argument is over, actually. Your opponents have already left the debate room, and now are just annoyed because they can hear you ranting from all the way down the hall.
 
[x] Attempt to replicate the Spear of Longinus.
[x] Sneak attack from within Time Stop.
[x] Have Madoka blast the Spear of Longinus from behind to launch it like a rocket.
 
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Omake: Yamato, Hashin!
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    • This timeline had been a write-off from the very first minute.
    Even if she managed to save everyone, Homura knew that there was no future for her or Madoka here.
    Earth, a ruined, dried-up husk? Humanity, barely surviving in underground cities? Aliens besieging them with asteroids and only an estimated year left to live?

    What kind of life would that be? A doomed one, that's what.
    In light of that, Homura had spent her time just enjoying Madoka's company, keeping Kyubey far away...
    And stealing every single piece of futuristic military equipment she could get her hands on.

    It was amazing how advanced this Humanity was. Beam weapons, spaceships, it was to die for!

    Her allotted month was coming to an end, however. Homura was a bit hesitant to leave such a fruitbasket of weaponry behind, but this wasn't her Golden End, and Madoka came first.
    Then she caught wind of the Yamato Project, and decided to stay a bit longer.

    Humanity's last hope, in the form of a starship.
    And Homura stole it from right under Japan's nose.
    Boy, what an international incident that had been.

    She'll admit, Homura had a fantasy where she could put Madoka in the Yamato, the Yamato in her shield, and take her into the next timeline.
    That had all fallen apart once Walpurgisnacht appeared, and wrecked Neo-Mitakihara.

    So Homura stood on top of one of the remaining buildings, snarling at the Dreadnought Witch as it plowed its way through the city, laughing.
    At her feet was Madoka's body, crushed by debris when Walpurgisnacht appeared suddenly without warning.

    In a rage, Homura ejected the Yamato from her shield, enchanted it, and fired up the Wave Motion Gun.
    Walpurgisnacht noticed, and began to move towards her, but it was far too late.

    "Yamato," she aimed her finger like a pistol at the hated Witch, "FIRE!"

    ....

    Homura pushed the debris off of her, giggling like a maniac.
    Wow.
    Just, wow.
    The sheer magnitude of the blast. Just, amazing!
    Walpurgisnacht was gone; incinerated.
    The continent was well and truly annihilated.

    Now, if she could figure out how to utilize it properly next loop without destroying the world, she would finally have her golden ending!
    Madoka's body was gone, probably obliterated, and her failure weighed down on her, but it was mitigated by the fact that this Loop was never going to be the one in the first place.
    But, a dead end as it was, it had granted her a weapon capable of granting her wildest dream.

    She walked over and lovingly stroked the glimmering hull of the Yamato.
    "Next time, Madoka," she smiled, "I'll save you next time."

    She stored the ship, and looped once more.
    She couldn't wait to see the look on everyone's faces when she showed them her new toy.

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    Writing an Omake will not get you a Space Battleship.
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    But my dreams, my aspirations! Will we never have our glorious-
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    Whether getting such a thing is possible with sufficient effort IC is another question, however, and I won't answer that right now.
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    I can work with this.
     
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    • Getting to work on another Omake idea.

    IF nobody argues with me on this topic, I'll agree to drop it this time. But I have made no new promises about how I might or might not behave in the future.
     
    By his own logic... he's asking us to accept that he's right...

    What the actual....

    Edit: And Carinthium, we aren't the ones who keeps bringing it up, you are. Despite repeated requests from us AND THE MODS to STOP.
     
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    Carinthium said:
    I'm beginning to feel like Kyubey here. Maybe I've spent too much time in the Rationalist community.

    I just don't understand you...
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    And we don't understand why you don't cut it out when everyone from the players, to the QM, to the MODS THEMSELVES have told you to can it.

    You don't get to say "Oh I'll drop it if no one brings it up" when you are consistently the one bringing it up over and over again.
     
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    TheBleachDoctor said:
    And we don't understand why you don't cut it out when everyone from the players, to the QM, to the MODS THEMSELVES have told you to can it.

    You don't get to say "Oh I'll drop it if no one brings it up" when you are consistently the one bringing it up over and over again.
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    1- Because it is in no way evidence against my arguments that people tell me to cut it. My arguments have not been refuted by any stretch of the imagination. Censorship in such a case is antithetical to rationality.

    2- I'll drop the particular point. Not future points somebody might make.

    EDIT: Or I might make.
     
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    Carinthium said:
    1- Because it is in no way evidence against my arguments that people tell me to cut it. My arguments have not been refuted by any stretch of the imagination. Censorship in such a case is antithetical to rationality.
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    THIS IS A QUEST.
    NOT A DEBATE THREAD.
    GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
    Carinthium said:
    2- I'll drop the particular point. Not future points somebody might make.
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    You said you'd drop it the last three times. Given that this is the fourth time this has happened, I'm disinclined to believe you.
     
    [X]Let Nanoha attempt to pierce it with Raising Heart Excelion Mode.
    -[X] Homura enchants Raising Heart
    -[X] Kyouko enchants Raising Heart
    -[X] Keep Time Stop ready to pull out if attack goes awry.

    Zenryoku Zenkai, stack ALL the buffs onto one big impact by Raising Heart for maximum penetration
     
    Carinthium said:
    You people have given me a hell of a lot to argue with. I'll deal with you one at a time.
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    Ford Prefect said:
    Do not even start.

    The rest of you can stop as well.
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    Carinthium, you appear to be incapable of not disrupting this thread, despite repeated mod warnings not to. You continue to engage in the same disruptive behavior which has led to multiple incidents in the past, along with similar behavior in other threads. Have a one-day threadban while the staff decides on an appropriate response to this latest incident.

    I will remind everyone else not to dogpile on Carinthium in the meantime.
     


    [X]Let Nanoha attempt to pierce it with Raising Heart Excelion Mode.
    -[X] Homura enchants Raising Heart
    -[X] Kyouko enchants Raising Heart
    -[X] Keep Time Stop ready to pull out if attack goes awry.

    I wonder whether this attempt at mixing magic will go well, like oil and water, or nitroglycerin and sudden movement.
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    I wonder whether this attempt at mixing magic will go well, like oil and water, or nitroglycerin and sudden movement.
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    ...Really? Must you tempt Murhpy so? I'm now honestly worried things will go boom when they do.

    Anyway, on that vote I'm not so sure putting all our efforts on just Nanoha. Maybe try the Spear first before going Divine Buster? Because I think that one is more magic intensive and we don't have any seeds for cleansing right now.
     
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