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BTW Solar hands are funny would proabbly believe in their bodies more than metal which is line with Ferris that one should be strong and self reliant without tech as crutch.

Ferrus was great believr in honing ones natural body and disdaining it a sign of corruption.
 
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Why "The Flesh is Weak" and Mental Health
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    • Wing101r said:
    Yeh also gives more chances for the chapter to cotton on the fact that Space Marine bodies are way better than even the best mechanical augments the mechanicus have.
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    Just want to note that even the most devoted members of The Iron Hand's Chapter-Cult do not literally believe their bionics are superior to their astartes enhancements.

    The reason the Iron Hands despise the organic is deeply rooted in the belief that Ferrus died on Istvan because he let his emotions overrule his logic. They believe that if Ferrus hadn't let that happen then he would have survived The Heresy and everything would still be fine(TM).

    The Tenth's extant ties to Mars meant they were exposed to The Mechanicum's practices of cyberdization as a method to commune with and imitate the Machine God's holy logic. So they adopt a similar practice because it let them distance themselves from the negative emotions that they are otherwise unable to process.

    Most of Mars is overjoyed to have Astartes participating in their Rites and pointedly don't question why. Canto meanwhile is genuinely disturbed by what they see as a perversion of The Quest for Knowledge and the shock of astartes suffering from things like depression, anxiety, and intense depersonalization.
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    All that being said, canonically the Iron Hands are starting to overcome their problems by the time of modern 40k, and Canto very much stacked the deck to help this Chapter deal with their issues.

    Apthecaries or Chaplains will change how that happens and how they relate to the wider mechanicus especially.
     
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    • Cool well I was fine with either plan I just felt apothecary work really well in improving the narives already excellent body.
     
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    Dream Logic said:
    Just want to note that even the most devoted members of The Iron Hand's Chapter-Cult do not literally believe their bionics are superior to their astartes enhancements.

    The reason the Iron Hands despise the organic is deeply rooted in the belief that Ferrus died on Istvan because he let his emotions overrule his logic. They believe that if Ferrus hadn't let that happen then he would have survived The Heresy and everything would still be fine(TM).

    The Tenth's extant ties to Mars meant they were exposed to The Mechanicum's practices of cyberdization as a method to commune with and imitate the Machine God's holy logic. So they adopt a similar practice because it let them distance themselves from the negative emotions that they are otherwise unable to process.

    Most of Mars is overjoyed to have Astartes participating in their Rites and pointedly don't question why. Canto meanwhile is genuinely disturbed by what they see as a perversion of The Quest for Knowledge and the shock of astartes suffering from things like depression, anxiety, and intense depersonalization.
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    All that being said, canonically the Iron Hands are starting to overcome their problems by the time of modern 40k, and Canto very much stacked the deck to help this Chapter deal with their issues.

    Apthecaries or Chaplains will change how that happens and how they relate to the wider mechanicus especially.
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    Fun Fact. The whole "Flesh Is Weak" is a misinterpretation by the Iron Hands. It comes from Vulkan to Ferrus after the latter said his arm was tired from killing a whole lot of Orks. The full quote is "The Flesh Is Weak, But Deeds Endure".
     
    Also, ferrus himself would ag e be horrified by what his sons became, he himself wanted to become more emotional and more in tune with his humanity and less of a general and more of a craftsman.
     
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Dream Logic on Sep 18, 2024 at 9:09 PM, finished with 48 posts and 42 votes.
    • [X] Plan Making Papa Ferrus Proud
      -[X] Chapter Name: Burning Hands
      -[X] Chapter Symbol: A Burning Skeletal Hand
      -[X] Chapter Colors: Primary red, secondary silver
      -[X] Chapter Creed: "Our Deeds Endure!"
      -[X] Chapter Battle Cry: "We Are The Gorgon's Wrath!" (General), "Burn For Ferrus Manus!" (Against Chaos Space Marines)
      -[X] Expanded Chaplaincy: This Chapter fields additional and more effective Chaplains. They will prove more effective at inspiring their brothers to greatness upon the field and helping them find peace outside it.
      - [X] Expansive Forges: This Chapter's Fortress Monastery features an expanded forge complex. Thus marines are better able to maintain and customize their gear to a greater degree then their cousins might
      [X] Plan: Tenacity is Our Middle Name
      - [X] Chapter Name: Solar Hands
      - [X] Chapter Symbol: A Clenched Fist in Front of a Sun
      - [X] Chapter Color: Primary Red Secondary Silver-Steel
      - [X] Chapter Creed: Fear not the dark, for the Sun will rise again.
      - [X] Advanced Apothecarion: Apothecaries oversee the implantation and harvesting of their Chapter's gene seed from the fallen. If granted additional recourses then they would be able to expand their remit into more then the Chapter's upkeep.
      - [X] Expansive Forges: This Chapter's Fortress Monastery features an expanded forge complex. Thus marines are better able to maintain and customize their gear to a greater degree then their cousins might
      [x] Plan: the Steel Phoenix
      [X] Plan: Break the Silence
      -[X] Chapter Name: Chorus of Cerberus
      -[X] Chapter Symbol: Three Canine Heads Howling
      -[X] Chapter Colors: Jade, Bronze, and Black
      -[X] Chapter Creed: "Cheer in Triumph, Sing in Sorrow, Never Stay Silent."
      -[X] Expanded Chaplaincy: This Chapter fields additional and more effective Chaplains. They will prove more effective at inspiring their brothers to greatness upon the field and helping them find peace outside it.
      -[X] Expanded Assault Companies: This Chapter has a fondness for jetpacks, and are noted for fielding extra Assault Squads on the battlefield.
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    • Let's do some rolls! All dice are 1d100 unless stated otherwise, higher is better.

    The Start: 90
    The Target (1d20): 3
    The Campaign: 6 (Oh no...)
    -Crisis Activated next turn: The Chimera Lords
    The final battle: 55
    -The Penitent's intervention: 86

    The Conclaves of Mars: 97
    The Moirae: 50
    Reformation: 65

    The Long War: 80
    Rallying Mars: 87
    Against The New Men: 89
    Amnyx: 87

    The Cost?: 20
    -The Mountain King: 92
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    Your dice are absolute bullshit.

    EDIT: The odds for that specific combination (the only one which could have possibly caused this) was one in two thousand. TZEENTCH!

    At the start of the thread someone asked what The Chimera Lords were...you're about to meet them.
     
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