Okay, going to try and run down a list of options that ideally should be a Fast Pass away for Song at worst, aka maxxing out at 8 cost, with some having options to edge out to 9 if need be. This is going to be ignoring Frostbite or Golem builds for now as they seem somewhat hard to hide due to obvious powers without real space to fit in transformation tags if trying to aim that way. Plus this is at least somewhat trying to list ones people haven't really talked about to this point.

Think These Have Potential and Cover Hiding
Anteneus + Soldier X + Daggermaw = 5 cost, gives an invuln and forces people to get into grappling range while Daggermaw helps with giving strength for the melee hitting, while the earthquakes help make people get disoriented. Likely can add in Sewer Rat or Adamant if boosting the cost a little bit, to aim for a self enhance synergy or ABO. Visibility here largely depends on how the transformation tags would show off if adding the 3 costs, but the rest seems fine.

Sewer Rat + Soldier X + Daggermaw + Adamant = 8 cost, this is aiming for ABO and ideally a self enhancement synergy for the cost of a Fast Pass, this is hoping that we can use the transformations to lean into this being a transformable mask thing ala Rhys for cover. Where this is basically going for max senses and strength with regeneration for this melee option, while the Sewer Rat elements would ideally allow for extra protection given the talks of the hair being like steel + Adamant's literal metal body.

Epoxy + Soldier X + Steadfast = 8 cost, sticking people to areas or objects is frankly absurd if you have good melee capabilities and this would lead to a relatively invisible powerset on a lockdown specialist who won't go down. My only issue is I would absolutely want Daggermaw on this if possible to give Song more direct offense from the Enhanced Strength but that is going minorly outside of the just give a Fast Pass range to 9 cost.

Deadman + Soldier X + Hydrocity + Multiplex = 8 cost, this one is obvious but has the actual cover of just never having actually died, as dark as that is. This is basically banking on Multiplex allowing for using the lava summoned on death for fueling a transformation while otherwise using Hydrocity/Deadman for fire/steam punches in the meanwhile. Notably this wants to either be 9 cost or potentially swap out Hydrocity so that there can be Enhanced Strength on this build and to hit the requirements for ABO as well.
 
Weeeeh

I saw people mentioning the whole Algerion-Type issue

I'm pretty sure the solution to that issue is to cause that weird resonance thing that happens when you give two people the same exact power. It would cost like... 2 potency 10's and probably force the two people to share memories but I'm pretty confident in that theory.

Best to ask Wolong "What happens when we give 2 people the same Algerion DNA Strand" or something just to make sure tho
 
I feel like there are advantages to keeping it within 6 Potency that aren't really being acknowledged, such as making it far more likely that there won't be significant weaknesses or downsides to the power.
 
I mean, while 1-3 can't have a side effect, 4-6 is restricted to a minor side effect and even with a theoretical cap of 9 cost - 3 potency we would be restricted to a minor side effect at worst. Just by its very nature, a minor side effect likely won't lead to significant weaknesses or downsides, even if there could be potential annoyances involved.

I don't think anyone has suggested a build that would be outside of 6 Potency here, unless its more of a broad element being discussed?
 
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Weeeeh

I saw people mentioning the whole Algerion-Type issue

I'm pretty sure the solution to that issue is to cause that weird resonance thing that happens when you give two people the same exact power. It would cost like... 2 potency 10's and probably force the two people to share memories but I'm pretty confident in that theory.

Best to ask Wolong "What happens when we give 2 people the same Algerion DNA Strand" or something just to make sure tho

Yeah but it is a risk...
Well might as well put my cards on the table i guess. Its probably something for the far flung future, but my plan is sorta twofold. My main idea for my chracters is to make them both tol 10 (since they are siblings) I want one of them to have something akin to my Astral Chains or the variant Lucid Prop did, although that plan probably needs a MAYOR overhaul since it was literally made when we where making Black Swan (Totally need help with that) and the other to have the Apiary DNA. One mechanical looking twin and one being organic. In essence both wanting a very strong power to protect eachother and their new friends, but one going for convience instead of uncertainty of the "gacha". Hell it could also be because one gets powers before the other one, aiming to get strong as possible to keep up with other sib.

Plan 2 if that isnt possible is to...well, I honestly contemplated heavily in pumping one of them with the Algernon DNA before the "reveal" of maybe having two algernons with the same specialty being usable to keep rebound away, so plan two is using the Algernon DNA on both.

As both plans require two tol 10's? Yeah...real hard sell/ something that will probably happen post turn 8 most likely.
 
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I mean, while 1-3 can't have a side effect, 4-6 is restricted to a minor side effect and even with a theoretical cap of 9 cost - 3 potency we would be restricted to a minor side effect at worst. Just by its very nature, a minor side effect likely won't lead to significant weaknesses or downsides, even if there could be potential annoyances involved.

I don't think anyone has suggested a build that would be outside of 6 Potency here, unless its more of a broad element being discussed?
Honestly theres been discussion all over the place, mostly one vharacter at the time, but i think theres been at least... 4 ish plans for each character?
 
Honestly theres been discussion all over the place, mostly one vharacter at the time, but i think theres been at least... 4 ish plans for each character?
Yeah, but talk has been focused on Song recently who is the person who I do think no one wants to put above 5-6 due to his low initial tolerance, to some extent cover issues, and the sheer money problems we're stuck with currently.
 
Honestly, Steadfast+Soldier X would be a solid mix for Song even without considering potency reducers and adding +3. Soldier X was the Defiance Unit's field commander and Steadfast was one of New Dawn's founding members. A mix of these powers onto an experienced old man could still end up pretty incredible.
 
Honestly, Steadfast+Soldier X would be a solid mix for Song even without considering potency reducers and adding +3. Soldier X was the Defiance Unit's field commander and Steadfast was one of New Dawn's founding members. A mix of these powers onto an experienced old man could still end up pretty incredible.
I'd add Daggermaw to that, we kind of need a brawler.
And it works with his current potency.
 
I'd add Daggermaw to that, we kind of need a brawler.
And it works with his current potency.
Daggermaw does make it more likely that he'll undergo a transformation of some kind, though. If he was okay with that, I think it'd be fine, but we'd be very much losing the benefits of him being a pillar of the community. Unless we revealed Project Prometheus, it'd be impossible to keep that benefit - and even then him turning into a humanoid lizard might make him less popular.
 
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Last time the team has a discussion, they were saying we lacked a tank. We could guarantee one with just Fast Pass by using Steadfast + Antaneus + Frostibite. This is highly likely to grant an invulnerability that's linked to elemental powers in some way, like a suit of armour or alternate form, and hopefully that's enough to hide his identity.

If we just want someone with no further expenditures I still think something like Soldier X + Daggermaw + Multiplex + Adamant would be good, but that's kind of retreading ground eith Rhys. We could replace Adamant with Sewer Rat, but he won't be as tanky.
Daggermaw does make it more likely that he'll undergo a transformation of some kind, though. If he was okay with that, I think it'd be fine, but we'd be very much losing the benefits of him being a pillar of the community. Unless we revealed Project Prometheus, it'd be impossible to keep that benefit - and even then him turning into a humanoid lizard might make him less popular.
I think permanent appearance transformations like that are types of Drawback. Yes, Mona and Rhys are by any standard no longer human, but nearly no-one would classify them as dismorphic.
 
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I think permanent appearance transformations like that are types of Drawback. Yes, Mona and Rhys are by any standard no longer human, but nearly no-one would classify them as dismorphic.
Okay, but doing a Potency 4+ build does risk him becoming dysmorphic as a side-effect, doesn't it?
 
Yu-Jin: "Why a dragon? Because I'm Chinese? . . . because I do love dragons. . ."

And you are all so close to a useful synergy—especially for Yu-Jin—that I've been trying to give you and it's killing me.
.....is there like a tally you keep of us constantly grasping at greatness but just miss it by a hair, be it by dice (most likely) or us just not thinking about it?
And if so... what number are we on?
 
....effective....but holy, thats kinda dark...
I mean we don't have to kill him right we could just use it as a cover
cat ears or a tail or something.
I don't think I could survive zu fu catboy
Yu-Jin: "Why a dragon? Because I'm Chinese? . . . because I do love dragons. . ."

And you are all so close to a useful synergy—especially for Yu-Jin—that I've been trying to give you and it's killing me.
Can we have a hint who is closest
 
Hmmm. I'll just say it's a synergy that I purposely made only cost potency 2 and it can be scaled up to stronger versions depending on what you add to it.
...that means its between 1 and 5 potency total...
Minimum two 1's or 5 brough down to two....

Edit: what power mix would result in something that gets stronger and higher potencies/ has higher ranks...

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Hmm... maybe something mixing Fitness plus enhanced senses? Peak Human? That could have higher ranks... Peak Human-> Super Soldier -> Batman?
 
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