Metal Gear Solid V: Chronicles of Outer Heaven (MGS/Valkyria Chronicles)

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Always Late said:
Good thing that once the basic-bitch mechanics are understood, you can utterly cheese every mission in the game.
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Assuming normal-hardish difficulty, in nu-X-Com, both first but specially second, explosives are your friends. Oh, and the grenadier class is freaking broken; It's entirely possible to go a whole game without upgrading anything but their grenade launchers...and still manage to get 30-40% of the kills in any mission.

In the old-X-com, once you got psychics the game was pretty much over; If you could last that long, then you were good enough to not simply lose through strategic fuck ups. And once you got psychics, you didn't need to worry about the missions because you could simply mind control all the enemies into punching themselves in the crotch.

universalperson said:
Honestly Gallia is kind of a mess poltically with a number of traitors and incompetents ruining things for everyone else. Ironically the actual ruler of Gallia proves herself competent once she no longer has to deal with her regent.

Of course then some racist fuckwits start a civil war, but that's just more of beinf a political mess.
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Having never played Valkyre chronicles, Gallia sounds much the same as the Balkans. And there are a few solutions towards THAT doesn't involve a heavy hand or short term extreme brutality. I don't know how much we are going to try and white knight here, but it sounds like we need to pull off a Soviet style control regime on the more troublesome parts of the country IF we plan on helping her out.

Nottheunmaker said:
Also fuck Frosseter or whatever her name is. Her research payed off inspite of her crazy, not because of it. Just because she's at the top of her field doesn't mean we should, or even need, to follow in her footsteps.
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*looks at Huey*

Y-yeah, about that....
 
Nottheunmaker said:
While there is a point about last quests Valk powers being cast from HP, I don't believe the idea itself is in anyway terrible in and of itself. There's plenty of self evident thread interest in doing Parasite research, and I fully believe there will be interest in Valk research once the option becomes available. There's a get deal of variblity in what combining the two could result in, but so long as we're not dumb about it(inplantation before testing, not making sure the Parasites won't kill the Valk or viversa) I believe risk would be minimal. If it's not then we just don't do it.
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It would appear we disagree on this matter, but what is the point of combining the two research trees presuming a majority of the players vote for researching them in the first place?

Because a Valkyrie is already superhuman, and the same is true for even those who don't retain their cognitive functions like the Parasite Unit, which has me wondering what exactly are you expecting to fight that we need to turn a human being into a living weapon by merging two distinct manners of attaining superhuman abilities to produce something even better?
 
Yun said:
Because a Valkyrie is already superhuman, and the same is true for even those who don't retain their cognitive functions like the Parasite Unit, which has me wondering what exactly are you expecting to fight that we need to turn a human being into a living weapon by merging two distinct manners of attaining superhuman abilities to produce something even better?
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Man on Fire-style Shagohod powered by Valkyur bullshit?
 
Yun said:
It would appear we disagree on this matter, but what is the point of combining the two research trees presuming a majority of the players vote for researching them in the first place?

Because a Valkyrie is already superhuman, and the same is true for even those who don't retain their cognitive functions like the Parasite Unit, which has me wondering what exactly are you expecting to fight that we need to turn a human being into a living weapon by merging two distinct manners of attaining superhuman abilities to produce something even better?
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Because the result would be so hilariously ridiculous that we'd basically have to see how it works? I can think of a lot of reasons. Not good ones, but hey. :V
 
Yun said:
Sigh. It is a terrible, and there is a pretty clear divide among the players on whether, or not to research the Parasites much less Valkyrie powers, which are both necessary to have a ballpark guess at what happens when you combine two sources of superpower with such a high level of variance when applied to a person. Also keep in mind if we're dealing with how Valkyrie powers work in the previous quest they cast from their lifespan to a certain extent, or at least extended use noticeably shortens it.
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I'm not really seeing much of a divide, most people I've met seem to be fine with (careful) researcha and potentially usage of the parasite.

Except the vocal cord strain, because those things need to go back into extinction.
 
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*Thinking*

@konamikode, how much GMP do we need to buy and maintain C-5 Galaxy?

I just thought that if we're going to another world, we should have at least brought something good while still on the old world.
 
Dr. Snark said:
Because the result would be so hilariously ridiculous that we'd basically have to see how it works? I can think of a lot of reasons. Not good ones, but hey. :V
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No doing stupid potentially incredibly dangerous shit solely for giggles.

We save attempts at Valkyria-Parasite hybridization for if we really need more fire power.

but we shouldn't, we already have Sahelanthropus, normal parasite's, and most formidably of all... Cardboard Boxes.
 
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Kanata_Tsukikami said:
*Thinking*

@konamikode, how much GMP do we need to buy and maintain C-5 Galaxy?

I just thought that if we're going to another world, we should have at least brought something good while still on the old world.
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We uh....would kinda need need a runway building for us to even THINK about buying that. Which we don't have, and if we started it next turn, it would finish the same turn we get ported so.....
 
Nix's Warden said:
We uh....would kinda need need a runway building for us to even THINK about buying that. Which we don't have, and if we started it next turn, it would finish the same turn we get ported so.....
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True. I think I should just put away the idea.

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I forget that Chinook with some mods can carry 55 personnel. I guess I should just use that.
 
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"Ah yes, we have heard of the weapon to surpass this so called metal gear...these..."cardboard boxes"...are only a fabrication of the enemy, ignore those obviously empty boxes that Seem to be moving through the crowd men, for now we shall talk about my glory!!!"

*5 minutes later*

"Holy shit big boss was right, cardboard boxes are the best stealth cover ever invented in the history of mankind!"

"I know, did you see that blowhards face when we tranqued everyone into falling asleep and big boss beat the ever living crap out of him?!?"

"Oh man I totally did! But still, what the hell did that guy do to piss the boss enough to not only beat him black and blue but tranq his family jewels with the entire clip from his team gun?"

"Dunno, but he obviously deserved it if the kicks to his head and D-dog ripping his pats off was any indication...pretty darn bad that ranks right up with that traitorous asshole!"

"Think there's going to be a trail at the base?"

"No bet."

-something I came up with on the fly while playing MGV
 
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mithril-blade said:
*looks at Huey*

Y-yeah, about that....
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I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but Huey is nowhere near as bad as her due to merely being delusional instead of "I want to make you a robot", which isn't saying much I guess.
Ylamona said:
Man on Fire-style Shagohod powered by Valkyur bullshit?
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The Man on Fire requires someone with supernatural powers that fell over dead he realized Big Boss wasn't Naked Snake, and unless the Valkyur hax is literally "Fucking Nanomachines!" I really don't see a need for it much less have a desire to pursue researching it.
ninjafish said:
I'm not really seeing much of a divide, most people I've met seem to be fine with (careful) researcha nd potentially usage of the parasite.

Except the vocal cord strain, because those things are only useful as an ethnic cleanser and terror weapon, and that shit aint big boss.
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This topic came up around the first turn options, and we'll you're not seeing any as there has been roughly 40 pages of discussion after it.
Dr. Snark said:
Because the result would be so hilariously ridiculous that we'd basically have to see how it works? I can think of a lot of reasons. Not good ones, but hey. :V
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Fair enough I should've specified good reasons for doing it.
 
There is an entire eastern europa that got subjugated by the imperial force, gallia is hardly the first of the territory invaded by the empire

Expanded lore makes them amalgamation of soviet union and nazi germany of pure concentrated evil
 
Kanata_Tsukikami said:
*Thinking*

@konamikode, how much GMP do we need to buy and maintain C-5 Galaxy?

I just thought that if we're going to another world, we should have at least brought something good while still on the old world.
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Nix's Warden said:
We uh....would kinda need need a runway building for us to even THINK about buying that. Which we don't have, and if we started it next turn, it would finish the same turn we get ported so.....
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*looks up stats of C-5 Galaxy*

Needs 2.5 km for take off and 1.5 km for landing fully loaded. Crews' favorite nickname for their transport planes is FRED "for its voracious consumption of fuel and its maintenance and reliability issues." Means: Fucking Ridiculous, Economic/Environmental Disaster.

... Might want to get another slightly smaller airlifter.
 
Yun said:
This topic came up around the first turn options, and we'll you're not seeing any as there has been roughly 40 pages of discussion after it.
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We've talked about since then.

We've established that's actually truly dangerous is separate from the ones that are actually useful. (The one that covers and the Metallic Archaea are not the vocal cord parasite's.)

I just dont really see many people really rejecting parasite research anymore.
 
ninjafish said:
I just dont really see many people really rejecting parasite research anymore.
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We're going as Hero Boss with lots of our AP dedicated to Humanitarian efforts both internally and externally (In-House Education course and Denuking being examples). It doesn't seem to make sense that Big Boss would keep around examples of possible one of the worlds worst types of WMDs, one that is based on a cornerstone in Human Society; talking. Seriously, leave sleeping dragons to lie, knowing MGS luck keeping it around will result in something worse than the localized outbreak that occurred in the game.
 
hfdt123 said:
We're going as Hero Boss with lots of our AP dedicated to Humanitarian efforts both internally and externally (In-House Education course and Denuking being examples). It doesn't seem to make sense that Big Boss would keep around examples of possible one of the worlds worst types of WMDs, one that is based on a cornerstone in Human Society; talking. Seriously, leave sleeping dragons to lie, knowing MGS luck keeping it around will result in something worse than the localized outbreak that occurred in the game.
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Because not all parasites are horrible WMD's that can only be used for mass murder. Yeah, the Vocal Parasites need to be exterminated, but the Cover Parasites can be carefully managed. Code-Talker HIMSELF believes that the Parasite isn't evil but something that Humanity must coexist with or overcome. Careful testing, extensive protective measures, implementation only in those willing, that we can trust 100%, and only once we've tested to make sure they bond with the parasite like Quiet or Code-Talker did instead of the Parasite Unit measures.
 
hfdt123 said:
We're going as Hero Boss with lots of our AP dedicated to Humanitarian efforts both internally and externally (In-House Education course and Denuking being examples). It doesn't seem to make sense that Big Boss would keep around examples of possible one of the worlds worst types of WMDs, one that is based on a cornerstone in Human Society; talking. Seriously, leave sleeping dragons to lie, knowing MGS luck keeping it around will result in something worse than the localized outbreak that occurred in the game.
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We're not though? have you not been paying attention. we're not doing shit with the vocal cord parasites.

Were talking about the "One that Covers" and the Metallic Archaea.
 
Oh man. Check this out. You don't need to watch the full thing just the first 2 minutes.



It's nice seeing a decent Imperial commander. Even if he's only a Squad leader.
 
Nix's Warden said:
Because not all parasites are horrible WMD's that can only be used for mass murder. Yeah, the Vocal Parasites need to be exterminated, but the Cover Parasites can be carefully managed. Code-Talker HIMSELF believes that the Parasite isn't evil but something that Humanity must coexist with or overcome. Careful testing, extensive protective measures, implementation only in those willing, that we can trust 100%, and only once we've tested to make sure they bond with the parasite like Quiet or Code-Talker did instead of the Parasite Unit measures.
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ninjafish said:
We're not though? have you not been paying attention. we're not doing shit with the vocal cord parasites.

Were talking about the "One that Covers" and the Metallic Archaea.
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Personally, I still don't like the thought of using these parasites at all. Feels too much like a pandora's box to me. However, their usefulness is real, same with the Metal Archaea.
 
hfdt123 said:
Personally, I still don't like the thought of using these parasites at all. Feels too much like a pandora's box to me. However, their usefulness is real, same with the Metal Archaea.
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the only one that is even close to being a pandora's box is the vocal cord parasites.

the rest are fine provided we practice basic ethics.
 
ninjafish said:
We've talked about since then.

We've established that's actually truly dangerous is separate from the ones that are actually useful. (The one that covers and the Metallic Archaea are not the vocal cord parasite's.)

I just dont really see many people really rejecting parasite research anymore.
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Sigh. My stance on the matter hasn't changed since you're response to someone saying we should limit our research on how to contain any outbreak due our limited manpower was that doing so was "boring". So it might be they already made their opinion on the matter know 40 pages ago, and see no reason to argue over something that even if one supports won't even be an option worth considering until after turn 3.
 
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