Metal Gear Solid V: Chronicles of Outer Heaven (MGS/Valkyria Chronicles)
- Thread starter konamikode
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@konamikode so I'm re-reading the old quest. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me that we can get a similar relationship between Ocelot and Selvaria in this quest too?
Finished VC4, and I gotta say either this verse has the biggest racial karma, or they all need to just be nuked back to fucking Stone Age so their tech could never proliferate
Faldio is a goddamn saint in comparison
You folks already know the standard super soldier program the empire has with the valkyur blooded to create Valkyria, but it turns out the federation has been "recruiting" valkyur blooded to send to US equivalent to be turned into nuclear reactor and/or nuclear bomb. Nuclear bomb version involve injecting them with liquid ragnites to trigger stronger final flame
Faldio is a goddamn saint in comparison
kelgar04
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All shades of grey nothing is ever black or white when it comes to war and the lines always blur.
Except in a fight everything is always clear then.
Edit: Quick point I never said what the USV did was right in fact what they planned to do was barbaric but the Imps have also done equally heinous look at their treatment of the Darcsen. But however, you look at it no one's hands are clean in the Federation or the Empire.
also before you ask if it comes up at some point I say we pull those Valkyria out of the testing labs both the feds and the empire have set up no one desrves to be treated like a lab rat
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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Fuck Yes!
You may all bow down and praise me now.
Praises the salt pillar for doing good and being a good boy.
It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem. You need a charismatic and capable commander and the support of an outside state usually, but the real determination of whether a insurgency succeeds or fails is whether it has a good enough support network on the ground to help it maintain itself logistically.
If Jaegar is to succeed in his insurgency (if he even decided to go that way with all the butterflies Diamond Dogs will introduce with their arrival) he will need a good enough support network and I don't think he has it in canon. Sorry. He might be building it up before he starts his insurgency, but he doesn't have it at the point you showed he leaves the conflict.
So Maximilian Gaius Von Reginrave is just Liborius Ritter von Frank without the backing of his court as far as military competence goes? And a bunch of anime war tropes thrown on top of that make him seem more competent?
You are making several assumptions about World War 2 and how similar it was to the Europan War 2 of Valkyria Chronicles:
-First before World War 1 there was about a period of 50 years of relative peace (there were still conflicts in Europe here and there, but they weren't a constant thing they were in previous times) that allowed the European states to have a build up of people in the newest generation before World War 1 happened and then WW1 for all it's horrors wasn't worse than some of the previous clusterfuck conflicts that had happened in Europe before it so the commanders of that war just took a look at it and adjusted their calculations for how war is to be handled from now on.
This adjustment of calculation coupled with the rise of Nazism (Fascism is the natural evolution of the Imperial line of governing of Human Civilization and to be clear is evil, but Nazism on the other hand is taking the Imperial propaganda about enemy states and their actions from the 19th century and WW1 and then incarnating it into an actual state policy which is much worse) led to World War 2 being one of the worst (if not the worst) blunders in terms of military miscalculation in the history of Human Civilization.
-Secondly the Great Depression happened before WW2 making the drafting of soldiers in exchange for a "living" wage and shifting to war economy to help drive the reconstruction of society far easier than they otherwise would have been.
Neither of these things are present in the Valkyria Chronicles Europan Wars:
-You have two super-states that have a grip on the continent with a mostly accurate calculation of the handling of war (so no surprise better tactics, just luck and skill to use said luck), the frequency of wars seems to be once a generation (so no higher population) and both of them are fascist (if a different kind of fascist), but there are no Nazi players in those wars yet (so no industrial evil of the Nazis to shift the war economy itself into a different composition).
-There is no sign in the lore that anything like the Great Depression had happened before the start of the Second Europan War so no higher motivation for people to shift into a war economy for reconstructing their own society and no acceptable higher draft rates.
So no the losses are just about in the ballpark of where a conflict such Second Europan War might lead them to be.
Hm. That gives me an idea: Hey @konamikode since the only concentration camps in the setting are still at the workshop level of function and while still an atrocity against human beings not even close to the level of horrors of Nazi concentration camps which were factory level of function does that mean the Heroic Venom Snake will be thinking about conducting Intrigue actions against the players in this war that use concentration camps to sabotage and discredit any idea of a factory level concentration camp on top of whatever else actions are taken to deal with concentration camps themselves?No if we try to recreate the wormhole we will probably be opening a gate back to Metal Gear Earth which is probably late game to unfuck that place once we unfuck Europa.
OK finally caught up with the thread so my opinions on the vote options:
According to this we get extra actions with better education. So we should take more education any time we can to get more actions.
This is a must and it might remove A moment of Quiet from the op list or it might give it a little more oomph.
I've read trough the arguments about this and I think we need to do Man on Fire next turn after we unfuck Eli (dice willing) to get Psycho Mantis to come with us which will be helpful to keeping the kid sane, saving Eli and the child soldiers from the parasites and the any world Psycho is in a better place. We need the AI pod this turn to have a better chance of being final with Huey.
We need to take this next turn as it is marked New Game+ which means it will change or be gone after we get to Valkyria Chronicles.
He already caused one emergency OP. This is a must.
Another New Game + option and it syncs up with the AI pod so a must this turn.
Not sure we will have this next turn because of the emergency OP.
Should get this, but should get some omakes for it first.
This is a must this turn to make Kaz less filled with hate.
What/Who is in Afghanistan at this time that we might run into?
What/Who is in the Congo/UN that we might run into?
This is a money saving OP that also nets us exotic animals for our Conservation Strut, but we would also need to build the Conservation Strut.
We should get this next turn since Uncle Sam will get pissed at us regardless over this.
This we need to take the next turn to get a sync bonus with Paz New Game + option.
This is going to lose us Huey if we don't take the New Game + option.
It can wait until we unfuck both Huey and Eli.
This might get done on it's own, but we should still get it at some point after the Command Center upgrade.
This is a game changer for our people in terms of defense so it will help with denuclearization this turn as OP has said so a must.
Good option, but there are better ones this turn.
Should take this at some point, but eh better stuff to do for now.
This is more important than better armor as Air units historically have weaker armor.
Extra dice use per turn and syncs up with Education. Get it as soon as there are no fires to put out.
This gets us one more Omake this turn, is only one turn if we do an omake this turn and will sync up with Denuclearization option this turn since we are going to be looking for Black Market stashes of Nukes this turn. Why is no one voting for this? It's a must.
Get as soon as it opens for more extra dice.
Ah yes the not yet done Omakes that can still net us bonuses. We need to finish these so that there are more next turn. Hey @Dream Logic :
which of these were you trying for? I'm willing to both beta and collaborate and give you the bonuses to keep if it will get one of these done and take care of.
War dog option becomes one turn on the turn where War Dogs would be useful to stop casualties. Why is no-one doing this one? I think I'll start with this one to hammer it out on my own if no-one wants it.
Only available if War Dogs is voted for but nets us a better relationship between Ocelot and Miller. Hey @Aranfan would you be willing to tweak this:
so that it fulfills the purpose of this Omake Op and gets us points this turn? I'm willing to collaborate with you and give you all of the reward for it.
Also if you are not comfortable about tweaking your Omake for this purpose I can beta it after the voting closes to help you hammer up into something worth a reward for next turn.
This Omake helps Eli and Hana bond and also helps Eli be just that little bit less of a shit. Also:
Having Hana point out to Eli that his knowledge of Genetics is flawed makes no sense. She just an ordinary if traumatized Kurdish girl right now that is having a hard time learning at all. Having Hana think that Eli is struggling with topic of Genetics and getting an adult that will explain how Genetics work to Blonde and Angsty is more in line with their current characterization and with this Omake Op.
Not this turn, but discussion in comments might get us new options.
OK it's 12:45 PM here in Belgrade and the closing time for the vote and the Omake Ops is 1:00 AM tonight for me so 12 hours and 15 minutes to hammer out 3-4.5 words to get more bonuses. I also need to bathe. OK then first Omake Op I'm going for is going to be A Needy Pup since I know how that one can be written and all that remains is to see if I can write it.
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Grosstoad
Birdbrain - Dick - Rules-Lawyer - Creeper
The concept was more of Hana struggling with her entry to biology, above the easily observed life science, and one of them are about genes.
Eli, amidst showing off to his soldiers (read: kiddie gang with AKs) on algebra and calculus problems (while manipulating their emotions with wartime logistic analogies) from the previous period's math class, thinks he can bring these dozen of Kurdish teens into his sphere of influence with his apparent intellectual superiority first, before going off his martial prowess later.
But while he reads up ahead of Hana on biology notes that Huey prepared, he gets stumped on dominant-recessive stuff.
It ends up with him storming off from the class like his tantrums with Venom after he got into an argument the assigned teacher about the science.
He tries to get confirmation on the stuff through one of the R&D guys, but ends up still unable to accept the explanations... But a seed of doubt is inserted into his train of thought.
Something-something doubt will grow.
Dmol8
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Hana is 8 right now. What kind of a book teaches Genetics to an 8 year old. The fuck did Huey do now?
kelgar04
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Maybe? Would be the 50 milion dollar question.
kelgar04
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I'm only part way through the game and loving every second of it.
A friend said the first ending you get isn't the real one I really don't want to look online in case I get spoiled is that true?
Ratehr than not being the true end, I would call it incomplete instead.
Don't worry, the complete one is not that hard to get. Just need to see soem scenes unlocke dpostgame and do one fight.
Don't worry, the complete one is not that hard to get. Just need to see soem scenes unlocke dpostgame and do one fight.
kelgar04
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As long as I can save everyone who isn't a designate death flag of the MC (because there is always one in VC games) I will be happy.
DragoLord19D
I ate a TARDIS but I'm still hungry!
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Grosstoad
Birdbrain - Dick - Rules-Lawyer - Creeper
Frak, I thought she was older than Eli.
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So I decided to finally play my PC version of Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain since it's been a few years and I only ever played the PS3 version.
Wow. What a difference, seriously.
Getting me hype to write some actual operations ops, if it's okay to do those sorts of things rather than just slice of lifey stuff.
Wow. What a difference, seriously.
Getting me hype to write some actual operations ops, if it's okay to do those sorts of things rather than just slice of lifey stuff.
kelgar04
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Hope we can give Hana a choice whether she becomes a soldier or not this time.
Proooobably not happening unless we skip some years ahead. Or Hana get caught in a time machine accident. Either are unlikely.
Dezron
In the Omnissiah we trust !
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kelgar04
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I was thinking more longer term like she actually has a choice especially since we are playing the hero route
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Omegastar
fear the {CENSORED}.
what are the difference?
AWACS Sky Eye
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[X]Plan The Truth Will Out (Toughened)
Nix's Warden
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SCIENCE! means asking 'Can we do this?' instead of 'Should we do this?'