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A Ho 229 flying 15 m above sea level would give Chain Home a warning time of 2,5 minutes.

Currently the US try to design the B-36 as fast as possible. The use of the anthrax is plan B. Or better O- like omega. Don't worry. There is a plan A.
 
A warning time of 2.5minutes with the tech of that era is like enough to say 'oh shit' and nothing more.
 
Magni said:
Its designers. To make it all metal would require a significant re-design that'd turn it into an entirely different aircraft. And would still not solve the issue of it becoming horrifically unstable once you break the sound barrier.



That's a stupid old claim made up by people who have this misconception that flying wing=stealth. It'd be no more stealth than a Mosquito.
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(1) Yeah to change its construction to all-metal would effectively be a new design aircraft.

(2) It would produce a lower radar return than the Mosquito or most propeller aircraft (of similar size). No propellers or tail assembly for radar to reflect.

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I am not sure but where will the CAPTOR radar fit in the Ho 229? I don't really see a suitable location to install it.
 
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Darksoul2142 said:
(1) Yeah to change its construction to all-metal would effectively be a new design aircraft.

(2) It would produce a lower radar return than the Mosquito or most propeller aircraft (of similar size). No propellers or tail assembly for radar to reflect.
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It can be constructed with composites and use 1st generation RAM (Radar Absorbent Material) - overkill against anything US as at that time, and UT Germany can do it, I think.
 
While your discussion aout the merrits of stealth aircraft is quite nie it is for the time being almost irrelevant as None of the allies Airforces have fighter craft that can readily intercept jet powered high altitude Bombers.

On an entirely different Topic what is the urrent Status of Iceland an is Germany going to invade it? has it declared itself a Republic? Is Invadeing it part of the Garanties that Churchill wants of Merkel?
(It's a prime place to base AirForce an Navy bases and there are only 7.000 to 15.000 US Troops present. )
 
Remembering some parts of Red Storm Rising...



About high performance subsonic/transonic jets (of all types) - the RR Spey turbofan (without afterburner) is very reliable, powerful and much more fuel-efficient (better range) than anything the other side can produce. Because is 60's tech, is not difficult to produce (?) by UT Germany.
 
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Not only engines but also electronics, weapons, aircraft, tanks, tactics, codes, etc - knowing the ones that are successful and the ones that are failures and why...
It is a very big cheat book they have.
 
I wonder if it's possible for the US to Jurryrig a CIWS or anti missile system since the phalanx irl can be successfully operated by a human.

the first SAM was built in 52 so it's not a stretch for the US to have something in the pipeline. Since irl the US started it's development in 44

also again the Ho229 would be a horrible plane to manufacture. You can't just strap a vastly better engine onto an airframe you have to re design the whole bloody thing. Furthermore it'll never go supersonic it's liable to be shot down be even propeller aircraft in some cases, and if it goes up against a shooting star it's toast.
 
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Another real big advantage UT Germany as - they are in another game in encrypting/decrypt/listen - aka SIGINT compared to DT US. It is not even funny in that game. Advanced computers and knowing all the older codes and maths used by the other side...
 
A CIWS may come, but after the war. Currently there are other problems to solve. As for SAMs, well, the first Allied projects started OTL in 1944/45 and no single system was, despite German know-how, ready before 1954. I guess here it will last even a bit longer.
 
paulobrito said:
Another real big advantage UT Germany as - they are in another game in encrypting/decrypt/listen - aka SIGINT compared to DT US. It is not even funny in that game. Advanced computers and knowing all the older codes and maths used by the other side...
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The Germans will likely know the content of a secret telegram way before the person, who should get it, will read it. That's why the Allies start to send too important messages the old way. Messengers.
 
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The Germans will likely know the content of a secret telegram way before the person, who should get it, will read it. That's why the Allies start to send too important messages the old way. Messengers.
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While that works, has a 'small problem' - takes a LOT of time. And for time-sensitive information...
Face it - going against a much more advanced nation is very hard. And DT US as zero experience on that. And a lot of prejudice. They are already in the 'Exceptional / Indispensable nation' self-inducted dream.
About 9 years ago I write an ALT-history about that - I sent a 2028 german to 1928 Germany that changes history - DT US don't like it, and can't win.
 
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Lord Okkirke said:
While your discussion aout the merrits of stealth aircraft is quite nie it is for the time being almost irrelevant as None of the allies Airforces have fighter craft that can readily intercept jet powered high altitude Bombers.

On an entirely different Topic what is the urrent Status of Iceland an is Germany going to invade it? has it declared itself a Republic? Is Invadeing it part of the Garanties that Churchill wants of Merkel?
(It's a prime place to base AirForce an Navy bases and there are only 7.000 to 15.000 US Troops present. )
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It is good to at least get some experience in designing and building stealth aircraft rather than let knowledge rust away in some cupboard in the BMVg. Theoretical research is good but empirical research is important as well. At least the Germans will not be completely clueless and have to startR&D from scratch in let's say the 1960s in order to produce something by the 1970s. Remember, long-range SAMs will be in deployment by the late 1950s.

Extending your question what will happen to British Bermuda? Will FDR be pissed off enough at Germany and the UK to just occupy the place?

Edit#1: @paulobrito I clicked on the link to your TL. WTAF happened to the BBCode formatting? Something wrong with my browser?
 
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Darksoul2142 said:
It is good to at least get some experience in designing and building stealth aircraft rather than let knowledge rust away in some cupboard in the BMVg. Theoretical research is good but empirical research is important as well. At least the Germans will not be completely clueless and have to startR&D from scratch in let's say the 1960s in order to produce something by the 1970s. Remember, long-range SAMs will be in deployment by the late 1950s.

Extending your question what will happen to British Bermuda? Will FDR be pissed off enough at Germany and the UK to just occupy the place?

Edit#1: @paulobrito I clicked on the link to your TL. WTAF happened to the BBCode formatting? Something wrong with my browser?
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No, is a problem long ago during one of the updates of the forum software. By some really strange reason completely f***d my formatting. If you want i can give you the doc file. just send me a PM with a way to send the file to you.
 
Istariol said:
Well that depends on your definition of misconception.
Engineers from Northrop Grumman build a 1:1 model of the Ho 229 an tested its stealth properties.
It had a radar signature of just 10% of a normal plane.
This model was shown in a documentary.

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Yes, they built a 1:1 size model... without the steel space-frame that kept the main fuselage of the real thing together. Without engines. Without payload, without a full cockpit etc. Aka without all the things that would make up the vast majority of the RCS of an actually functioning one. So uh, yeah, that whole experiment proved little to nothing in regards to the actual Ho 229. Take a Mossie and remove all those parts and the remaining wooden shell will have a pretty damn minimal RCS, too. And will perhaps look good in a museum, too. But it sure as shit won't qualify as a stealth plane by that point. By dint of not qualifying as a plane, period. National Geographic went full History Channel in that docu.
 
If you watched the dokumentary you would have seen/heard that they used a special paint that would have had the same radar-reaction as normal materials.
 
The strength of the IJN and USN has been discussed a while back, but I think one thing was glossed over: How many escort carriers and destroyers/destroyer escorts do the Americans have? Though smaller ships, CVEs and DDs/DEs are capable combatants, and in the large numbers that America produces them they could do a decent job of filling in the gaps in America's capitol ship lines. The CVEs still have modern American planes, and the Fletcher/Gearing swarm brings a lot of duel-purpose guns with VT fuses to the fight.
 
The US had 62 CVE commissioned or about to be commissioned at the time of the Event. Although most of them were used in the Pacific, the losses in the Atlantic forced the US to send more ships to the Atlantic. Currently about two dozen CVE are in the Pacific. They are the reason, why the US still has a number of planes more. However, I didn't incorporate them yet, as there are too many and they were not much used until now, except the Battle of Alta, where the British lost several of them. Which lead to even more CVE in the Atlantic. I will soon post an update in that regards. Anyway, they are auxiliary carriers, capable of doing about 19 kn. They are too slow for fleet operations. Oh, they will play a role in the Battle of... No, no spoiler.
 
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