- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Perhaps I made a mistake. He edited my posts in the No Miracle at the Vistula Thread.
Merkels Operation Walküre
- Thread starter Tyr Anazasi
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Perhaps I made a mistake. He edited my posts in the No Miracle at the Vistula Thread.
- Location
- Romania
I managed to find him using the "Who replied" function in the No Miracle at the Vistula Thread. There is something odd with his username, perhaps it contains a Cyrillic character or something because writing it with a normal keyboard does not work.
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Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
- Location
- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
The Machine
I just wrote "The Machine" in the search bar and he came up. No weird characters in the name.
- Location
- Romania
I am at a loss then. I cannot think of any reasonable explanation for why it didn't work (and still doesn't) when I try the same thing.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
- Location
- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Weird. Just write "The Machine" (without quotes) in the Posted by member: The Machine in the Miracle on Vistula thread while selecting [x] Search this thread only.
- Location
- Romania
No matter where I try to use his username (@ in posts / in the Find Members searchbox / in regular search / in Conversations), when I begin typing "The ", the system offers me a list of users whose usernames start with those letters. "The Machine" is never among them.
However, if I insist and manually type all his username, it works. But I didn't think to do that from the start. When the build-in autocompletion didn't work, I simply assumed that there was something wrong with the username not with the autocomplete feature. Strange anyway.
But I am already feeling that we are derailing Tyr's thread with this debugging of AH.com.
- Location
- Asia
Operation Overlord has failed.
And so begins FDR's spiral into Downfall-esque levels.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
- Location
- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Really liked the addition dealing with the PoV of soldiers on both sides during the failed D-Day. I kept on imagining Call of Duty and Saving Private Ryan scenes playing out in my head.
This part made me spit my drink out:
"That Spieß showed us, how to use them. For him it was easy to shoot it even in automatic mode. When he tried, he couldn't even hit a barn door. The Spieß just laughed. He then took a MG42 and used it as assault rifle!"
This part made me spit my drink out:
"That Spieß showed us, how to use them. For him it was easy to shoot it even in automatic mode. When he tried, he couldn't even hit a barn door. The Spieß just laughed. He then took a MG42 and used it as assault rifle!"
Operation Overlord has failed.
And so begins FDR's and Churchill's spiral into Downfall-esque levels.
FTFY
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- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Indeed I had Saving Private Ryan in my mind, when I wrote this. Awesome movie. And Battlefield 1942, Omaha Beach.
However, both soldiers are real, both fought there:
Heinrich Severloh - Wikipedia
I try to use real person, when I can. Of course, that black Spieß is my invention. But that doesn't mean he can't exist. There are a number of Blacks in the Bundeswehr. Also today it was in the newspaper, that the BW will reintroduce Rabbis and Imams as military priests. I will see, how I can add that. There are 300 Jews and 3000 Muslims currently in the German armed forces.
- Location
- Asia
Speaking of Jews...I can't wait until that interlude shows up, with the Israeli fracture and all.
"That's not a car. That's a battleship."
- Location
- Buenos aires
good to see you again after AH i do wonder are we getting an update about the paratroopers jumping ? i like to see qhate happens to easy company
Between modern AAA and Fighters as well as modern knowledge of likely deployment zones, I don't really think they'll reach the ground in fighting shape.
Darksoul2142
SUMMONER OF DARK DRAGON
- Location
- Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
For the rabbis I could imagine some scenes:
(1) A rabbi comforting a recently freed concentration camp inmate or a group of inmates.
(2) A rabbi who by some coincidence is present to prevent the lynching of a DT German soldier by freed holocaust victims. This could be also if a mob catches a hidden SS member. Then handing them over the relevant authority.
(3) For muslims you can do that by having a Muslim imam or scholar be the link the Bundeswehr has to the local Muslim population in Bosnia and the rest of the Balkans.
We will get one as this was addressed briefly in the original. As a hint though do you expect DT AA supported by UT AA assets to leave much to drop? In one piece that is.
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Chapter I, Part 21: The Longest Day, Part IV
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Somewhere near Boulogne, June 6th, 1944, 14:38:
1st Lt. Richard D. Winter had his men, at least the 14 he had found, together. The day was a real mess. No, a catastrophe. It had started in the night.
The evening before they had boarded their C-47 Dakota transports. They had been ordered to jump in the hinterland of Boulogne to take a certain bridge. Winters had heard rumors about some fantastic stories about time travel and such nonsense. He didn't believe them a second, but he had known, they were attacking an enemy, who was prepared. For him it had looked better to suspend the operation, but the orders had not been changed. The Dakotas had started in time, but that had been the only thing planned. Over Boulogne the "fun" had started. One C-47 after the other had been downed. He had had little idea, what had been going on, until his plane had been hit. There had been an explosion and he had been suddenly out of the plane. He had seen the silhouette of a jet aircraft, which had fired a kind of rocket on another transport, which exploded in the air. Then he had seen this aircraft attacking another transports. A string of shells he had been able to see coming out of that fighter. The tracer ammo had found the target immediately, which had been going down very fast.
Winter had opened his parachute in time. He had estimated, he had not been far away from his original point, which was true. However, while gliding down, he had been able to see few transports releasing their cargo. And of these parachutists many had died in the air, as the Germans fired on them. They had been in full alert. The others, who had tried to build up a defence, had been overwhelmed soon.
He had been able to land without being detected in a small forest, where he had been able to escape the massacre. On his way he had found some other soldiers, most of them from the Easy Company, but also two from Bravo Company. At first they had been 18, but four had died in a firefight with the Germans. He had ordered to retreat.
And now he was in this barn somewhere in Northern France. He was still unable to get contact, as no radio was there. Well, the radio they had had, was damaged beyond repair in the fight with the Germans. Together with the operator, who had been killed by a hand grenade. He didn't know his position, he didn't know, where the own forces were, he didn't know, anything about the tactical situation. Well, that wasn't completely true. He knew where the enemy was. Nearly everywhere. So he had decided to take cover in this barn somewhere in the nowhere. At night, he wanted to leave the barn to find the own lines, if possible. Others argued, it might be better to try to go to Spain, but he stopped these thoughts soon. But would it be better to try to find the own lines? What, if the whole operation had failed? Then there would be no own lines on this side of the channel.
Suddenly he heard a voice, seemingly out of a megaphone. "Allied soldiers! We know, that you hide in this barn. This is the German army. Surrender. The barn is surrounded and can be destroyed easily." Winter looked out of the barn, cautiously through a small hole. He looked straight into the barrel of a rifle.
"Fuck!" he exclaimed. "What shall we do?" was the question he heard. His me, who had partly slept, were awake and didn't know, what to do. Like him as well. He looked at them. He knew resistance was futile. He sighed. "Okay, boys, it seems war is over for us." He bound a white handkerchief on his rifle, opened the door of the barn and showed his intention to surrender. He stepped out of the building. He and his men would be sent into a PoW camp in Bavaria. There he was really stunned, when he found out, that the Germans had seen the truth. He also saw this series "Band of Brothers", in which the story of his unit was told, well the story of an alternative timeline. In the end he had to cry. So many of his comrades had died, so few survived. And for what?
1st Lt. Richard D. Winter had his men, at least the 14 he had found, together. The day was a real mess. No, a catastrophe. It had started in the night.
The evening before they had boarded their C-47 Dakota transports. They had been ordered to jump in the hinterland of Boulogne to take a certain bridge. Winters had heard rumors about some fantastic stories about time travel and such nonsense. He didn't believe them a second, but he had known, they were attacking an enemy, who was prepared. For him it had looked better to suspend the operation, but the orders had not been changed. The Dakotas had started in time, but that had been the only thing planned. Over Boulogne the "fun" had started. One C-47 after the other had been downed. He had had little idea, what had been going on, until his plane had been hit. There had been an explosion and he had been suddenly out of the plane. He had seen the silhouette of a jet aircraft, which had fired a kind of rocket on another transport, which exploded in the air. Then he had seen this aircraft attacking another transports. A string of shells he had been able to see coming out of that fighter. The tracer ammo had found the target immediately, which had been going down very fast.
Winter had opened his parachute in time. He had estimated, he had not been far away from his original point, which was true. However, while gliding down, he had been able to see few transports releasing their cargo. And of these parachutists many had died in the air, as the Germans fired on them. They had been in full alert. The others, who had tried to build up a defence, had been overwhelmed soon.
He had been able to land without being detected in a small forest, where he had been able to escape the massacre. On his way he had found some other soldiers, most of them from the Easy Company, but also two from Bravo Company. At first they had been 18, but four had died in a firefight with the Germans. He had ordered to retreat.
And now he was in this barn somewhere in Northern France. He was still unable to get contact, as no radio was there. Well, the radio they had had, was damaged beyond repair in the fight with the Germans. Together with the operator, who had been killed by a hand grenade. He didn't know his position, he didn't know, where the own forces were, he didn't know, anything about the tactical situation. Well, that wasn't completely true. He knew where the enemy was. Nearly everywhere. So he had decided to take cover in this barn somewhere in the nowhere. At night, he wanted to leave the barn to find the own lines, if possible. Others argued, it might be better to try to go to Spain, but he stopped these thoughts soon. But would it be better to try to find the own lines? What, if the whole operation had failed? Then there would be no own lines on this side of the channel.
Suddenly he heard a voice, seemingly out of a megaphone. "Allied soldiers! We know, that you hide in this barn. This is the German army. Surrender. The barn is surrounded and can be destroyed easily." Winter looked out of the barn, cautiously through a small hole. He looked straight into the barrel of a rifle.
"Fuck!" he exclaimed. "What shall we do?" was the question he heard. His me, who had partly slept, were awake and didn't know, what to do. Like him as well. He looked at them. He knew resistance was futile. He sighed. "Okay, boys, it seems war is over for us." He bound a white handkerchief on his rifle, opened the door of the barn and showed his intention to surrender. He stepped out of the building. He and his men would be sent into a PoW camp in Bavaria. There he was really stunned, when he found out, that the Germans had seen the truth. He also saw this series "Band of Brothers", in which the story of his unit was told, well the story of an alternative timeline. In the end he had to cry. So many of his comrades had died, so few survived. And for what?
- Location
- Asia
Oh, if the rank and file are despondent over so much of them sacrificed for nothing, look forward to Eisenhower and Patton's reactions.
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
You need to wait a bit longer. Or look to AH.com.
Originally I hadn't planned to add yet another chapter to this topic, but I thought, I could add this one. So thanks to Carvacho12 we have another new chapter.
Originally I hadn't planned to add yet another chapter to this topic, but I thought, I could add this one. So thanks to Carvacho12 we have another new chapter.
Chapter I, Part 22: The Longest Day, Part V
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
June 7th, 8:30 CEST, Breslau
Schlesische Zeitung
Invasion defeated!
Boulogne – Yesterday the Allied Forces started their long awaited Invasion of the French Mainland with the area around Pas-de-Calais as their designated target. Of all possible invasion sites on the French Coast only two were viable to support such an invasion with one already having been neutralized by German forces which only left Pas-de-Calais. This enabled our forces to distribute themselves over the area as needed, awaiting the enemy forces.
Shortly after midnight the first transport made up of US troops tried to land and take vial positions in the hinterland of Pas-de-Calais, thus cutting our boys and girls off. You heard right: Not only did brave German man fight, but also women and let me just say that they fought as bravely as their male counterparts!
The enemy parachutists suffered great losses in the air already, something that continued on the ground as well. Only three of our positions were taken by enemy forces, yet all of them were retaken within twelve hours again. Currently there are still small groups of enemy soldiers scattered around, but leading officers which whom this reporter was able to talk expressed their confidence that those, too, will soon be caught. The bottom line is, that the British 6th, the US 101st and the US 82nd para divisions ceased to exist.
The same has to be said about the fleet trying to feint an attack on the beaches of the Normandy. They ran into one of our fleets, consisting of missile boats, destroyers and torpedo boats. After a fierce but short battle the enemy fleet was sunk with only little losses suffered by our own.
The new Luftwaffe fighters did a great job with their so called missiles to clear the sky from Allied Plane. According to information this reporter received, one of our own, Oberst Bernhard Taube, commodore of TaktLwG 73 shot down 38 planes with his Eurofighters within three sorties. In total about 2000 enemy planes were shot down by 150 F-4 Phantoms, MiG 29s, F-16s and Eurofighters. Additionally, in the early hours of the morning Panavia bombers made an attack run on the runways of several air bases in Britain, thus grounding most of the Allied Air Forces.
Despite these losses, the enemy continued to execute the invasion. As I was embedded with some colleagues of the RTL television group in a bunker I was able to witness the enemy landing boats coming. At this time neither side had much air support, as our forces had to either rearm or were thin stripped over a large area while the Allied Air Forces were either destroyed or grounded. The landing boats were rather slow, but they were many; too many to be taken down by our artillery, which was only able to sink a few. That changed, though, when few kilometres off the coast Milan anti-tank missiles were used to sink the landing crafts. One or two hits with one of these were able to sink the landing craft, with many enemy soldiers either dead from the explosion or because they could not get rid of their heavy gear, thus drowning in the ice-cold ocean. However, these few missiles were not enough to stop all of the enemy forces and soon they reached the beach where they were now hit with heave MG or rifle fire. Many enemy soldiers were slain as there was little cover for them to hide behind.
Seeing their comrades being cut down by our forces, the Allied fleet attacked as well, trying to create breaches for the infantry that was pinned down. However, by this time our air forces had rearmed and were able to re-join the battle. Using AS.34 Kormoran II and Taurus missiles they created harvoc amongst the enemy forces, sinking every battle ship and many smaller crafts. The Taurus cruise missiles hit the battle wagons and penetrated their armour to detonate in the inner parts of the ships. One ship, the HMS Warspite, did explode. Others sunk by capsizing, HMS Ramilies, or breaking in two like the USS Nevada. The US generals Eisenhower and Patton could leave the sinking vessel, but were captured when their landing craft surrendered little later, the greatest success of our troops on this day. Enemy flak fire was very ineffective except two lucky hits. One Tornado did explode due to a full hit, the other crashed into the sea. The pilots could eject but were captured by the enemy.
By now the situation had become pure chaos for the Allied Forces. The battleships sunk, most cruisers hit and no one to give orders, which was probably the cause why the fighting continued for two further hours. The destroyer USS Meredith was hit by a mine while driving 33 knots and heading directly into the harbour of Boulonge where it collided with the quay. As the destroyer still fired on our positions a group of marines under the command of Oberleutnant zur See Markus von der Marwitz attacked the destroyer now lying dead at the quay. And although he was mortally wounded, his men managed to capture the destroyer before scuttling charges were armed, managing to secure several caches of documents, which worth has yet to be determined.
At three points the Allies finally managed to break our lines, only to be driven back by the reserve forces. At 14:00 the enemy tried to start a retreat. But yet another air strike by both new and old planes let this retreat become an utter disaster. Dozens of ships surrendered while others left their position to retreat with full speed. Many of them were sunk, too.
At the end of the day 1.598 German soldiers were dead or wounded. The Allied losses can't be counted at this moment. However, with the loss of so many ships and over 35.000 soldiers captured, the losses must be severe.
In the late evening Federal Chancellor Merkel thanked the forces and expressed her hopes to end the war as soon as possible due to this victory.
Schlesische Zeitung
Invasion defeated!
Boulogne – Yesterday the Allied Forces started their long awaited Invasion of the French Mainland with the area around Pas-de-Calais as their designated target. Of all possible invasion sites on the French Coast only two were viable to support such an invasion with one already having been neutralized by German forces which only left Pas-de-Calais. This enabled our forces to distribute themselves over the area as needed, awaiting the enemy forces.
Shortly after midnight the first transport made up of US troops tried to land and take vial positions in the hinterland of Pas-de-Calais, thus cutting our boys and girls off. You heard right: Not only did brave German man fight, but also women and let me just say that they fought as bravely as their male counterparts!
The enemy parachutists suffered great losses in the air already, something that continued on the ground as well. Only three of our positions were taken by enemy forces, yet all of them were retaken within twelve hours again. Currently there are still small groups of enemy soldiers scattered around, but leading officers which whom this reporter was able to talk expressed their confidence that those, too, will soon be caught. The bottom line is, that the British 6th, the US 101st and the US 82nd para divisions ceased to exist.
The same has to be said about the fleet trying to feint an attack on the beaches of the Normandy. They ran into one of our fleets, consisting of missile boats, destroyers and torpedo boats. After a fierce but short battle the enemy fleet was sunk with only little losses suffered by our own.
The new Luftwaffe fighters did a great job with their so called missiles to clear the sky from Allied Plane. According to information this reporter received, one of our own, Oberst Bernhard Taube, commodore of TaktLwG 73 shot down 38 planes with his Eurofighters within three sorties. In total about 2000 enemy planes were shot down by 150 F-4 Phantoms, MiG 29s, F-16s and Eurofighters. Additionally, in the early hours of the morning Panavia bombers made an attack run on the runways of several air bases in Britain, thus grounding most of the Allied Air Forces.
Despite these losses, the enemy continued to execute the invasion. As I was embedded with some colleagues of the RTL television group in a bunker I was able to witness the enemy landing boats coming. At this time neither side had much air support, as our forces had to either rearm or were thin stripped over a large area while the Allied Air Forces were either destroyed or grounded. The landing boats were rather slow, but they were many; too many to be taken down by our artillery, which was only able to sink a few. That changed, though, when few kilometres off the coast Milan anti-tank missiles were used to sink the landing crafts. One or two hits with one of these were able to sink the landing craft, with many enemy soldiers either dead from the explosion or because they could not get rid of their heavy gear, thus drowning in the ice-cold ocean. However, these few missiles were not enough to stop all of the enemy forces and soon they reached the beach where they were now hit with heave MG or rifle fire. Many enemy soldiers were slain as there was little cover for them to hide behind.
Seeing their comrades being cut down by our forces, the Allied fleet attacked as well, trying to create breaches for the infantry that was pinned down. However, by this time our air forces had rearmed and were able to re-join the battle. Using AS.34 Kormoran II and Taurus missiles they created harvoc amongst the enemy forces, sinking every battle ship and many smaller crafts. The Taurus cruise missiles hit the battle wagons and penetrated their armour to detonate in the inner parts of the ships. One ship, the HMS Warspite, did explode. Others sunk by capsizing, HMS Ramilies, or breaking in two like the USS Nevada. The US generals Eisenhower and Patton could leave the sinking vessel, but were captured when their landing craft surrendered little later, the greatest success of our troops on this day. Enemy flak fire was very ineffective except two lucky hits. One Tornado did explode due to a full hit, the other crashed into the sea. The pilots could eject but were captured by the enemy.
By now the situation had become pure chaos for the Allied Forces. The battleships sunk, most cruisers hit and no one to give orders, which was probably the cause why the fighting continued for two further hours. The destroyer USS Meredith was hit by a mine while driving 33 knots and heading directly into the harbour of Boulonge where it collided with the quay. As the destroyer still fired on our positions a group of marines under the command of Oberleutnant zur See Markus von der Marwitz attacked the destroyer now lying dead at the quay. And although he was mortally wounded, his men managed to capture the destroyer before scuttling charges were armed, managing to secure several caches of documents, which worth has yet to be determined.
At three points the Allies finally managed to break our lines, only to be driven back by the reserve forces. At 14:00 the enemy tried to start a retreat. But yet another air strike by both new and old planes let this retreat become an utter disaster. Dozens of ships surrendered while others left their position to retreat with full speed. Many of them were sunk, too.
At the end of the day 1.598 German soldiers were dead or wounded. The Allied losses can't be counted at this moment. However, with the loss of so many ships and over 35.000 soldiers captured, the losses must be severe.
In the late evening Federal Chancellor Merkel thanked the forces and expressed her hopes to end the war as soon as possible due to this victory.
Chapter I, Part 23: The Longest Day, Epilogue, Part I
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
June 7th, 9:30 EST, Washington DC, White House, Oval Office:
President Roosevelt didn't feel very well. He had just gotten the news about the defeat his forces had suffered, but no clear numbers had been given to him. The failed invasion, but the attacks on the nuclear sites even more so, seemed to have proven Germany´s claim that they were hailing from the future.
No, the day clearly wasn't going well. Eleanor was so worried that he had decided to let her in the meeting that was about to commerce as well as his sons Elliot and FDR jr. Also joining them were "Wild Bill" Donovan, head of the OSS, General of the Army George C. Marshal, Vice-President Henry A. Wallace, Julius Robert Oppenheimer and Henry Morgenthau jr.
FDR: The situation is dire. We can assume that the Germans are telling the truth when they claim that they are from the future. Yesterday was a dark day, perhaps the darkest in the history of our proud nation. It was a sound defeat which may even decide the war. However, we should not act in panic, but rather after cool reasoning. Do we have any further details on our losses, George?
George C. Marshall (GCM): Our losses were heavy. Amongst them were the USS Arkansas, the USS Texas, several cruisers, destroyers and dozen smaller vessels. Of the landing forces we can assume that the paratrooper divisions were either killed or captured. The losses of the infantry were high as well; intelligence says about 60.000 killed or captured.
FDR: Dear God *silence* Can we replace these losses?
GCM: Not this year. Many of the men we lost were specialists, especially the amphibious scouts and raiders and the paratroopers. We have to recruit fresh flesh to fill the gap, but we have to train them first before sending them to Europe. Furthermore, we´d have to search for a new landing site as well. Even more difficult will be replacing the sunk ships in time for such an endeavour.
Elliot Rossevelt (ELR): That doesn't make any sense! With those heave losses…why should we even continue this war? The Germans seem to be from the future and have weapons that can strike at their targets from thousands of miles away. Why don't we accept their offer of peace?
FDR: As I told you before, we did not enter this war because of Poland or the Jews primarily, but to keep down a potent enemy. That nation has caused too many problems in the past, and we were thinking that we couldn't allow them to continue doing so. However, you are insofar right in that we need a new strategy.
William Donovan (WBD): I may be of help here. We received news from Mr. Dulles from Bern who told us that they were contacted by a German civilian with valuable information. According to him she was some kind of priest. We didn't consider this notice of any relevance as we didn't believe the time travel story at all back then.
However, with the recent events in mind, we started working with the information she gave us and we´ve made some progress. Let´s get started with the fact that there are both good and bad news. The bad news is that – as we are all aware by now – the Germans are in possession of extremely advanced weaponry which we cannot hope to match. The good news, though, is that those weapons aren't as numerous as we believed. Germany seemed to have come from a period during which they lived in an already 70 years lasting peace.
For a few decades the country was split into two parts, each belonging to a bloc that were feuding between each other; a period they call 'The Cold War'. With its end, though, the armed forces were reduced dramatically. They are not prepared to fight a long war, especially a World War. They have little stocks of weapons available and should they run out they can´t reproduce them as easily as we can with ours. That means that every loss they suffer is a substantial one.
Eleanor Rossevelt (ER): Thank God! At least a little bit of light in these dark hours!
FDR II: But how can we use that to our advantage? We need new troops in Europe.
Henry A. Wallace (HAW): We may not have own forces in Europe, but we have allies, General Stalin for example…
ELR: Pah, that man is only marginally better than Hitler! The lesser of two evils, I´d say. We cannot trust him!
HAW: He is a trusted ally of this country, though. These propaganda stories the Germans transmit may be all fabricated lies.
FDR: He may or may not be trustworthy, that´s not the matter. We cannot allow him to get all the German´s technologies. No, we need own troops in Europe.
GCM: The only force we have left our bound fighting the Japanese in the Pacific.
FDR: Well, our strategy has always been 'Europe First'. I think we have to put the war in the Pacific on the backburner and transfer some forces from there to Europe.
ELR: Is there enough time for that?
WBD: I guess so. The Germans will likely be busy with the coming Soviet offensives, which will lead to their stocks getting depleted. Then, next year, we can swoop in and deal the death blow.
FDR: Thank God, I was fearing to become the president who lost America a World War.
FDR II: Nimitz, Halsey and MacArthur won´t be very pleased with that decision.
FDR: George, it´s your decision to make them understand what I expect from them.
GCM: Yes, sir!
FDR: Now, to the other matter at hand. Mr. Oppenheimer, how´s the situation in Los Alamos and Oak Ridge?
FDR: Grave news, indeed. We need those weapons as fast as we can produce them. And now we have to wait even longer.
JRO: To be clear, we still would have needed a year if the sites hadn't been attacked. Now, it will be much longer.
FDR: We need to pick up the pace. Mr. Oppenheimer, money will be no problem. Go to Mr. Morgenthau and he will give you everything you ask for and more. Henry, I think we need a new plan concerning what to do with Germany if we win this war.
Henry Morgenthau (HM): Yes, sir, I´ll be updating my current plans.
ER: We need to eliminate the threat of Germany once and for all, gentlemen. We cannot allow them to rise again.
HM: I know that very well.
FDR: I´ll contact the British and Soviet ambassadors. This war shall go on!
FDR II: And what about the public?
WBD: Currently they are mourning. Also from the comments of the newspapers many agree to continue the war. But that may change fast, especially if truth is revealed.
FDR: That may not happen until the end of the war! For everyone we will fight a war against Nazi-Germany and no Wellesian future Germany. I will deal with problems on this front.
President Roosevelt didn't feel very well. He had just gotten the news about the defeat his forces had suffered, but no clear numbers had been given to him. The failed invasion, but the attacks on the nuclear sites even more so, seemed to have proven Germany´s claim that they were hailing from the future.
No, the day clearly wasn't going well. Eleanor was so worried that he had decided to let her in the meeting that was about to commerce as well as his sons Elliot and FDR jr. Also joining them were "Wild Bill" Donovan, head of the OSS, General of the Army George C. Marshal, Vice-President Henry A. Wallace, Julius Robert Oppenheimer and Henry Morgenthau jr.
FDR: The situation is dire. We can assume that the Germans are telling the truth when they claim that they are from the future. Yesterday was a dark day, perhaps the darkest in the history of our proud nation. It was a sound defeat which may even decide the war. However, we should not act in panic, but rather after cool reasoning. Do we have any further details on our losses, George?
George C. Marshall (GCM): Our losses were heavy. Amongst them were the USS Arkansas, the USS Texas, several cruisers, destroyers and dozen smaller vessels. Of the landing forces we can assume that the paratrooper divisions were either killed or captured. The losses of the infantry were high as well; intelligence says about 60.000 killed or captured.
FDR: Dear God *silence* Can we replace these losses?
GCM: Not this year. Many of the men we lost were specialists, especially the amphibious scouts and raiders and the paratroopers. We have to recruit fresh flesh to fill the gap, but we have to train them first before sending them to Europe. Furthermore, we´d have to search for a new landing site as well. Even more difficult will be replacing the sunk ships in time for such an endeavour.
Elliot Rossevelt (ELR): That doesn't make any sense! With those heave losses…why should we even continue this war? The Germans seem to be from the future and have weapons that can strike at their targets from thousands of miles away. Why don't we accept their offer of peace?
FDR: As I told you before, we did not enter this war because of Poland or the Jews primarily, but to keep down a potent enemy. That nation has caused too many problems in the past, and we were thinking that we couldn't allow them to continue doing so. However, you are insofar right in that we need a new strategy.
William Donovan (WBD): I may be of help here. We received news from Mr. Dulles from Bern who told us that they were contacted by a German civilian with valuable information. According to him she was some kind of priest. We didn't consider this notice of any relevance as we didn't believe the time travel story at all back then.
However, with the recent events in mind, we started working with the information she gave us and we´ve made some progress. Let´s get started with the fact that there are both good and bad news. The bad news is that – as we are all aware by now – the Germans are in possession of extremely advanced weaponry which we cannot hope to match. The good news, though, is that those weapons aren't as numerous as we believed. Germany seemed to have come from a period during which they lived in an already 70 years lasting peace.
For a few decades the country was split into two parts, each belonging to a bloc that were feuding between each other; a period they call 'The Cold War'. With its end, though, the armed forces were reduced dramatically. They are not prepared to fight a long war, especially a World War. They have little stocks of weapons available and should they run out they can´t reproduce them as easily as we can with ours. That means that every loss they suffer is a substantial one.
Eleanor Rossevelt (ER): Thank God! At least a little bit of light in these dark hours!
FDR II: But how can we use that to our advantage? We need new troops in Europe.
Henry A. Wallace (HAW): We may not have own forces in Europe, but we have allies, General Stalin for example…
ELR: Pah, that man is only marginally better than Hitler! The lesser of two evils, I´d say. We cannot trust him!
HAW: He is a trusted ally of this country, though. These propaganda stories the Germans transmit may be all fabricated lies.
FDR: He may or may not be trustworthy, that´s not the matter. We cannot allow him to get all the German´s technologies. No, we need own troops in Europe.
GCM: The only force we have left our bound fighting the Japanese in the Pacific.
FDR: Well, our strategy has always been 'Europe First'. I think we have to put the war in the Pacific on the backburner and transfer some forces from there to Europe.
ELR: Is there enough time for that?
WBD: I guess so. The Germans will likely be busy with the coming Soviet offensives, which will lead to their stocks getting depleted. Then, next year, we can swoop in and deal the death blow.
FDR: Thank God, I was fearing to become the president who lost America a World War.
FDR II: Nimitz, Halsey and MacArthur won´t be very pleased with that decision.
FDR: George, it´s your decision to make them understand what I expect from them.
GCM: Yes, sir!
FDR: Now, to the other matter at hand. Mr. Oppenheimer, how´s the situation in Los Alamos and Oak Ridge?
- Robert Oppenheimer (JRO): Bad, Mr. President, very bad. Both sites were – if I may be so bold to say it like that – annihilated. We´ve lost many good men. If we want to continue we need to rebuilt the sites and hire new scientists as well as redo several calculations. All in all, I think we lost several years of progress.
FDR: Grave news, indeed. We need those weapons as fast as we can produce them. And now we have to wait even longer.
JRO: To be clear, we still would have needed a year if the sites hadn't been attacked. Now, it will be much longer.
FDR: We need to pick up the pace. Mr. Oppenheimer, money will be no problem. Go to Mr. Morgenthau and he will give you everything you ask for and more. Henry, I think we need a new plan concerning what to do with Germany if we win this war.
Henry Morgenthau (HM): Yes, sir, I´ll be updating my current plans.
ER: We need to eliminate the threat of Germany once and for all, gentlemen. We cannot allow them to rise again.
HM: I know that very well.
FDR: I´ll contact the British and Soviet ambassadors. This war shall go on!
FDR II: And what about the public?
WBD: Currently they are mourning. Also from the comments of the newspapers many agree to continue the war. But that may change fast, especially if truth is revealed.
FDR: That may not happen until the end of the war! For everyone we will fight a war against Nazi-Germany and no Wellesian future Germany. I will deal with problems on this front.
Chapter I, Part 24: The Longest Day, Epilogue, Part II
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
June 7th, London, Downing Street 10, 21.45 GMT
Winston Churchill looked at his Whiskey glass, filled to the brim with the amber liquid and contemplated the current situation the world had found itself in.
Germany was from the future. What a shock! Now the whole situation had turned from fighting a boxer in the ropes to fighting an enraged gorilla. But did they truly had to continue fighting? Truly? De facto, the Germans had asked for peace, even going so far and declaring that they were willing to pay reparations for the damage the Third Reich had caused. But despite that, they would remain a super power, even after a peace treaty.
He took another sip from the glass.
Yes, Germany would remain a power. And that was exactly the problem! England had fought two wars to bring Germany down and now they were back again. Churchill had seen the necessity of both wars and it was still his believe that Germany had to be kept in check.
But recently those believes had been badly shaken. Stalin and his red menace was still out there, trying to get his pound of flesh, even though he would suffer greatly for it. But so would Britain, if they continued. They were sitting ducks for the new super planes of the Luftwaffe that had the ability to destroy their infrastructure at will.
Perhaps, Churchill, thought, perhaps it would be wiser to wait.
If – and that was a word with a big question mark in front of it – they were victorious over Germany they had to destroy the country once and for all, never allowing it the chance to resurface again. But the Soviets? They couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, the US government closed it eyes to that particular truth.
The glass was empty, Churchill noticed. He refilled it.
Yes, one had to fight Germany, adamantly, as long as there still was s small chance at actually succeeding. If they lost, though, there would be nothing preventing German hegemony over Europe. In the end, Germany would continue fighting as well, for they would never suffer a second Versailles.
The glass was empty, again.
Choice, Churchill thought bitterly, was just an illusion. FDR had hinted too much about money, American investment and lends to leave the choice of suing for peace open. If they asked for peace there would be no more American money forthcoming.
Another empty glass. Churchill filled it again.
You´re drunk again, a tipsy voice whispered in his head.
Yes, yes, I am, he shushed the voice, you can´t bear all of it without being drunk. We´re playing cards, the jackpot is full and we´re all in. He drank again.
Empty. The stupid bottle was empty! Damn! He opened another one.
If the Soviets defeat the Germans, Europe will be lost to Britain. If the Germans won, Europe would be lost to Britain, as well, as most of the man power came from their ranks.
No alternative but fighting, Churchill thought.
The next time his glass wasn't refilled. Churchill had fallen asleep over his desk.
Winston Churchill looked at his Whiskey glass, filled to the brim with the amber liquid and contemplated the current situation the world had found itself in.
Germany was from the future. What a shock! Now the whole situation had turned from fighting a boxer in the ropes to fighting an enraged gorilla. But did they truly had to continue fighting? Truly? De facto, the Germans had asked for peace, even going so far and declaring that they were willing to pay reparations for the damage the Third Reich had caused. But despite that, they would remain a super power, even after a peace treaty.
He took another sip from the glass.
Yes, Germany would remain a power. And that was exactly the problem! England had fought two wars to bring Germany down and now they were back again. Churchill had seen the necessity of both wars and it was still his believe that Germany had to be kept in check.
But recently those believes had been badly shaken. Stalin and his red menace was still out there, trying to get his pound of flesh, even though he would suffer greatly for it. But so would Britain, if they continued. They were sitting ducks for the new super planes of the Luftwaffe that had the ability to destroy their infrastructure at will.
Perhaps, Churchill, thought, perhaps it would be wiser to wait.
If – and that was a word with a big question mark in front of it – they were victorious over Germany they had to destroy the country once and for all, never allowing it the chance to resurface again. But the Soviets? They couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, the US government closed it eyes to that particular truth.
The glass was empty, Churchill noticed. He refilled it.
Yes, one had to fight Germany, adamantly, as long as there still was s small chance at actually succeeding. If they lost, though, there would be nothing preventing German hegemony over Europe. In the end, Germany would continue fighting as well, for they would never suffer a second Versailles.
The glass was empty, again.
Choice, Churchill thought bitterly, was just an illusion. FDR had hinted too much about money, American investment and lends to leave the choice of suing for peace open. If they asked for peace there would be no more American money forthcoming.
Another empty glass. Churchill filled it again.
You´re drunk again, a tipsy voice whispered in his head.
Yes, yes, I am, he shushed the voice, you can´t bear all of it without being drunk. We´re playing cards, the jackpot is full and we´re all in. He drank again.
Empty. The stupid bottle was empty! Damn! He opened another one.
If the Soviets defeat the Germans, Europe will be lost to Britain. If the Germans won, Europe would be lost to Britain, as well, as most of the man power came from their ranks.
No alternative but fighting, Churchill thought.
The next time his glass wasn't refilled. Churchill had fallen asleep over his desk.
Chapter I, Part 25: The Longest Day, Epilogue, Part III
- Location
- Hamburg, Germany
Moscow, Kremlin, June 8th, 01:03 MSK
Stalin was infamous for his nocturnal meetings. So it was no surprise when this one was occurring late at night as well. No, not the time was the cause for the meeting´s peculiarity, but rather the issue that was on the agenda. Stalin had ordered in Lawrenti Beria, Wjatscheslaw Molotow and Alexander Wassilewski to discuss – like it had already been done in London and Washington – how to react to Germany´s sudden resurging strength.
Stalin (STA): The fascists were able to defeat the Allies. Oh, those weak-minded capitalists! I should have known before that they were weak in mind and body alike. Now they want us to bear the brunt of the enemy´s strength so that they can swoop in and take our people´s righteous victory from our hands.
Molotow (MOL): They claim that Germany is indeed from the future. That this is why they won…
STA: And you believe this fabricated nonsense? They are either incompetent – which I don't believe – or they are plotting with the fascists, now that Hitler is dead. Germany cannot be from the future. It just cannot be!
Beria (BER): Woschd, it´s true, indeed! We have confirmation from several sources. The Allies send us indisputable proof! The impossible has become true; our greatest enemy has been sent back from the future.
STA: You as well? This is impossible. Impossible I say!
BER: I´m dead serious, woschd.
STA: It can´t be!
BER: This is what the Allies send us as proof for the German claim. They call it a 'tablet computer'. It contains valuable data about the Germans we´re now facing.
Stalin was shocked at seeing this. His face had turned a deep shade of red as he had talked himself into rage, but now it paled within seconds. He didn't dare to speak for fear that his voice would fail him. Wordlessly he beckoned for Beria to hand over the small device which surface began to glow, giving way for some kind of user interface. It was rather intuitive and after a while Stalin was able to access the data; most of it in either German or English. He overflew a few of the documents and then set the device aside.
STA: So it is indeed true. So now we´re facing fascist with über-weapons?
BER: Not necessarily. The Germans may have this advanced weaponry and technology, but their army is small due to the long phases of peace they lived through. For example, they only possess 250 tanks, each of them vastly superior to our own, but we have the greater numbers.
Wassilewski (WAS): Far greater numbers! Which we have to apply now when the Germans are still trying to catch up.
STA: 250 tanks, eh? Not much.
WAS: Furthermore, this Germany is led by a woman. A woman! They have a woman as führer now!
STA: A woman?! Ridiculous! A woman cannot be as though as a man!
BER: We shouldn't make the mistake of underestimating our enemy before we have the hard facts.
STA: You speak true. But still, a woman may be able to lead a country in time of peace, but in war? Ridiculous. But back to the real topic: To paraphrase it, we have to fight a monster which is not ready for total war yet?
BER: Yes.
WAS. Yes.
STA: They need time to prepare; resources as well, both of which they lack. And I highly doubt that the Germans that remained here in the past will be very satisfied with their new führer. We might win this.
WAS: Yes, if we can beat them now. If they manage to fully mobilize we´ll run into problems.
STA: Operation Bagration has been planned already.
MOL: Our sources say that it is going to be a big victory as the German lines are too thin to defend them properly.
STA: And the new Germans won´t be able to help them in time.
WAS: Yes.
STA: Then we should go ahead.
WAS: It will cost more men, though.
STA: They will die for the mother country. This is the USSR! We have more than enough men!
WAS: But we have to see to our own production problems as well. Due to German attacks our tank production is down to 20 percent for instance. And we need a second front by the Allies this year or our own attacks won´t matter.
STA: I see. Molotow, please contact our Allied friends to send us more equipment. We need it.
MOL: Da, woschd!
STA: Perhaps we won´t need it anyway. The fascists are led by a woman who might relent and surrender much sooner. In any case, we need to get the knowledge of their technology before the capitalists get their greedy hands on it. And Wassilewski be careful. The fascists may want to surprise us.
WAS: We will be prepared.
STA: Then we will attack within two weeks!
Stalin was infamous for his nocturnal meetings. So it was no surprise when this one was occurring late at night as well. No, not the time was the cause for the meeting´s peculiarity, but rather the issue that was on the agenda. Stalin had ordered in Lawrenti Beria, Wjatscheslaw Molotow and Alexander Wassilewski to discuss – like it had already been done in London and Washington – how to react to Germany´s sudden resurging strength.
Stalin (STA): The fascists were able to defeat the Allies. Oh, those weak-minded capitalists! I should have known before that they were weak in mind and body alike. Now they want us to bear the brunt of the enemy´s strength so that they can swoop in and take our people´s righteous victory from our hands.
Molotow (MOL): They claim that Germany is indeed from the future. That this is why they won…
STA: And you believe this fabricated nonsense? They are either incompetent – which I don't believe – or they are plotting with the fascists, now that Hitler is dead. Germany cannot be from the future. It just cannot be!
Beria (BER): Woschd, it´s true, indeed! We have confirmation from several sources. The Allies send us indisputable proof! The impossible has become true; our greatest enemy has been sent back from the future.
STA: You as well? This is impossible. Impossible I say!
BER: I´m dead serious, woschd.
STA: It can´t be!
BER: This is what the Allies send us as proof for the German claim. They call it a 'tablet computer'. It contains valuable data about the Germans we´re now facing.
Stalin was shocked at seeing this. His face had turned a deep shade of red as he had talked himself into rage, but now it paled within seconds. He didn't dare to speak for fear that his voice would fail him. Wordlessly he beckoned for Beria to hand over the small device which surface began to glow, giving way for some kind of user interface. It was rather intuitive and after a while Stalin was able to access the data; most of it in either German or English. He overflew a few of the documents and then set the device aside.
STA: So it is indeed true. So now we´re facing fascist with über-weapons?
BER: Not necessarily. The Germans may have this advanced weaponry and technology, but their army is small due to the long phases of peace they lived through. For example, they only possess 250 tanks, each of them vastly superior to our own, but we have the greater numbers.
Wassilewski (WAS): Far greater numbers! Which we have to apply now when the Germans are still trying to catch up.
STA: 250 tanks, eh? Not much.
WAS: Furthermore, this Germany is led by a woman. A woman! They have a woman as führer now!
STA: A woman?! Ridiculous! A woman cannot be as though as a man!
BER: We shouldn't make the mistake of underestimating our enemy before we have the hard facts.
STA: You speak true. But still, a woman may be able to lead a country in time of peace, but in war? Ridiculous. But back to the real topic: To paraphrase it, we have to fight a monster which is not ready for total war yet?
BER: Yes.
WAS. Yes.
STA: They need time to prepare; resources as well, both of which they lack. And I highly doubt that the Germans that remained here in the past will be very satisfied with their new führer. We might win this.
WAS: Yes, if we can beat them now. If they manage to fully mobilize we´ll run into problems.
STA: Operation Bagration has been planned already.
MOL: Our sources say that it is going to be a big victory as the German lines are too thin to defend them properly.
STA: And the new Germans won´t be able to help them in time.
WAS: Yes.
STA: Then we should go ahead.
WAS: It will cost more men, though.
STA: They will die for the mother country. This is the USSR! We have more than enough men!
WAS: But we have to see to our own production problems as well. Due to German attacks our tank production is down to 20 percent for instance. And we need a second front by the Allies this year or our own attacks won´t matter.
STA: I see. Molotow, please contact our Allied friends to send us more equipment. We need it.
MOL: Da, woschd!
STA: Perhaps we won´t need it anyway. The fascists are led by a woman who might relent and surrender much sooner. In any case, we need to get the knowledge of their technology before the capitalists get their greedy hands on it. And Wassilewski be careful. The fascists may want to surprise us.
WAS: We will be prepared.
STA: Then we will attack within two weeks!
Radek
Promethean
- Location
- A Cryptum, somewhere
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
And thus the Red Army is about to throw itself against an enemy that not only possesses superior firepower but knows in detail when, where and how they will strike. That cannot possibly end well. Wich in usual totalitarian fashion leads to a search for scapegoats.
So, if Bagration fall apart in mass casualties... who gets to take the blame?
So, if Bagration fall apart in mass casualties... who gets to take the blame?
- Location
- Porto, Portugal
Isn't better to use motherland instead of mother country ?
Other than that very little point, very good, please continue.
Other than that very little point, very good, please continue.
- Location
- Asia
Sad that Stroheim died in Stalingrad. His reaction would have been hilarious :lol
- Location
- Pale Blue Dot
Hint: Not Stalin.
So, purge of the incompetent officers, or purge of the ogranization sending out the orders? Either, or. Stalin is very good at purges. Unfortunately.
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