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Fanriel doesn't even think about Plaits, and to lower yourself to dwarfish hairstyles is unseemly. We have a thousand other ways to tower over their short list of positive qualities if we desire to flex.

And yet in her heart of hearts, Fanriel, like all elves, secretly mourns, for she knows, that as Elgi, she will never have a Dwarf's magnificent beard. Alll she can do is look upon their mighty facial manes and wonder, what could have been? What could have been indeed.
 
@Blackout world building question. Male Dwarfs are far more common then female Dwarfs right? This seems to mean that the vast majority of male Dwarfs will never have children of their own. How do the Dwarfs handle the personal grudges held by the vast amount of childless Dwarfs who leave behind no heir to complete them?
 
@Blackout world building question. Male Dwarfs are far more common then female Dwarfs right? This seems to mean that the vast majority of male Dwarfs will never have children of their own. How do the Dwarfs handle the personal grudges held by the vast amount of childless Dwarfs who leave behind no heir to complete them?
That would be a large part of why dwarves focus on clans rather than smaller family units.
 
You know I've been thinking, we don't know how to make magic items, but in canon it's possible to turn items magical by implementing them with daemons. The Chaos Dwarfs even have an entire profession based around that. I wonder if we could learn how create magic items by implementing them with our elementals. Maybe it'd be something worth brainstorming with the prophet on? We are meeting them during this downtime.

@Blackout is Fanriel aware of cases of magic items being created by being implemented by magical spirits or daemons? Would having a research action to try to develop a spell for implementing elementals into inanimate objects be a valid action for one of our downtimes?
 
You know I've been thinking, we don't know how to make magic items, but in canon it's possible to turn items magical by implementing them with daemons. The Chaos Dwarfs even have an entire profession based around that. I wonder if we could learn how create magic items by implementing them with our elementals. Maybe it'd be something worth brainstorming with the prophet on? We are meeting them during this downtime.

@Blackout is Fanriel aware of cases of magic items being created by being implemented by magical spirits or daemons? Would having a research action to try to develop a spell for implementing elementals into inanimate objects be a valid action for one of our downtimes?

That is actualy something i proposed a while ago.

Creating Daemon Weapons with Spirits could be really useful for us.
 
That is actualy something i proposed a while ago.

Creating Daemon Weapons with Spirits could be really useful for us.

Given we don't have Student of the Anvil I'd be pretty down with learning how to make magic items somehow. It does seem like it might be pretty difficult without a lead to work with though. We can't exactly go to Chaos Dwarf daemonsmiths and ask them for tips after all.

One avenue though that might be a potent lead on this is the Hag Witches. The Hag Witches' only magic is interacting with spirits IIRC, so if they will have developed a method to make magic items, it will likely be by implementing them with spirits.

@Mopman43 are you familiar with any magic items said to be created by Hag Witches specifically?
 
You don't have to like someone to fight beside them, hire them or recommend them. We knew we wouldn't get on with the Coinshields but chose them for Jaarpen anyway. The animosity was real but they were professional, we were professional and it worked, even to the point of Fanriel acting as hero unit for the Dawi battle line.

I'm sure we'd pick them again for a similar role and there's no doubt they'll remember the value the Lightfangs bring to the party.

If we're going to base ourselves out of Ostland, we're going to want some sort of agent in Erengrad. That's where our rep is strongest, it has an elven quarter and it's generally more cosmopolitan - news and opportunities will turn up there first and in more variety.
 
@Blackout world building question. Male Dwarfs are far more common then female Dwarfs right? This seems to mean that the vast majority of male Dwarfs will never have children of their own. How do the Dwarfs handle the personal grudges held by the vast amount of childless Dwarfs who leave behind no heir to complete them?
The dwarfs have different levels of grudges, depending on who is obligated to try to seek vengeance for it. Every dwarf has a personal Book of Grudges (or they may create one at any time, should they not have one already), every clan has its own Book of Grudges, every Karak has its own Book of Grudges, and the Great Book of Grudges is held by the High King in Karaz-A-Karak. There are also guild grudges, but they function a bit differently and don't slot into a neat pyramid.

Any dwarf can issue a personal grudge for any reason, but at the same time, nobody aside from their own children is obligated to respect it or help the dwarf right it, which serves to disincentivize frivolous grudges. Sure, you can declare a grudge over the fact that the axeshaft you bought from the Carpenters' Guild snapped after a mere two hundred years, but if you tried to take that to the Reckoners or the Thanes you would get laughed at.

However, every dwarf also has the right to bring the matter to their clan's Thane, and if the wrong done to their kinsman is deemed severe enough to be a grudge against not just him as an individual, but the clan as a whole, they will write it down in the clan's Book of Grudges. From then on out, every member of that clan has a duty and responsibility to try to avenge that grudge whenever they have the opportunity.

But every Thane in a Karak also has the right to escalate the matter and bring it to their King, who may enter it into the hold's Book of Grudges, which now places that responsibility to avenge it on the Karak and every dwarf in it. And likewise, every King in the Karaz Ankor has the right to petition the High King to add a grudge to the Great Book of Grudges, extending it to cover every dwarf alive (at least in theory).

This functions as a release valve for the dwarfs' vengefulness: if the grudge is severe enough that the dwarf would otherwise run off by themselves and get themselves killed trying to right it, the clan can write it down and that dwarf can go back to his life content that the clan will eventually take restitution for it, even if it takes millennia. If a clan lacks the resources to avenge a grudge and the King doesn't want his jewelsmith clan to all pick up weapons and go die charging into a Skaven tunnel, he can enter it into the Karak's book of grudges to allay their concerns that the dwarfhold's greater resources will allow them to handle the matter better. And likewise if the High King doesn't want an entire Karak of the Karaz Ankor to be obsessing over a grudge when they could be focusing on other concerns, he can enter it into the Great Book of Grudges to ensure that even should that Karak fall someone will right that wrong eventually.

But looping back around to your question, at each level if the matter was not escalated any higher and the people responsible for avenging a grudge die out, that grudge dies with them. If a dwarf dies childless, his personal grudges will remain forever unavenged. If a clan is wiped out, all of its grudges go with it. If a Karak and all of its clans are destroyed its grudges do not automatically transfer over to another hold, though in practice this almost never happens because there's usually at least some survivors to be absorbed as refugees. And naturally if the dwarfs were to be exterminated, there would be nobody left to avenge any grudges.

Of course, none of that stops other dwarfs from declaring grudges to avenge their fallen kin, but those are new grudges being created, not the old ones being transferred.

For a grudge to go extinct is seen as deeply shameful for those who failed to fulfill them in life, which is a big part of why dwarfs don't usually like to get themselves killed trying to avenge grudges because that inevitably leaves others unfulfilled. But it is also a fact of life that it happens sometimes, and it can't have been that bad or else it would have been escalated higher.

@Blackout is Fanriel aware of cases of magic items being created by being implemented by magical spirits or daemons? Would having a research action to try to develop a spell for implementing elementals into inanimate objects be a valid action for one of our downtimes?
Yes.
 
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This functions as a release valve for the dwarfs' vengefulness: if the grudge is severe enough that the dwarf would otherwise run off by themselves and get themselves killed trying to right it, the clan can write it down and that dwarf can go back to his life content that the clan will eventually take restitution for it, even if it takes millennia. If a clan lacks the resources to avenge a grudge and the King doesn't want his jewelsmith clan to all pick up weapons and go die charging into a Skaven tunnel, he can enter it into the Karak's book of grudges to allay their concerns that the dwarfhold's greater resources will allow them to handle the matter better. And likewise if the High King doesn't want an entire Karak of the Karaz Ankor to be obsessing over a grudge when they could be focusing on other concerns, he can enter it into the Great Book of Grudges to ensure that even should that Karak fall someone will right that wrong eventually.
Surely at least some Dwarfs must see through this procrastinating method.

Say a Dwarf lost a loved one to an Orc attack. Of course he brings this up to his superiors and the Grudge is deemed sufficient enough to have its place in the Book of the Clan/Karak. Then the poor soul has to hope, that one day somebody somewhere will avenge this Grudge. Meanwhile he shall sit there stirring in his own juices, while his Ancestors shall know no peace. Can't it be seen as a weakness, rather than strength, to remove the responsibility from one's shoulders and do literally anything else, essentially forgetting the Grudge in all but name, since he doesn't have to pursue it himself anymore?

What if a King would actually strictly forbid said jewelsmith clan to go out and die in that Skaven tunnel, when they will finally say, that they are tired of waiting for vengeance to arrive?
 
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Surely at least some Dwarfs must see through this procrastinating method.

Say a Dwarf lost a loved one to an Orc attack. Of course he brings this up to his superiors and the Grudge is deemed sufficient enough to have its place in the Book of the Clan/Karak. Then the poor soul has to hope, that one day somebody somewhere will avenge this Grudge. Meanwhile he shall sit there stirring in his own juices, while his Ancestors shall know no peace. Can't it be seen as a weakness, rather than strength, to remove the responsibility from one's shoulders and do literary anything else, essentially forgetting the Grudge in all but name, since they don't have to pursue it themselves anymore.

What of a King would actually strictly forbid said jewelsmith clan to go out and die in that Skaven tunnel, when they will finally say, that they are tired of waiting for vengeance to arrive?
It does not forbid anything. The King can't stop the Jewelsmiths if they really want to all go die. Regardless of what the King does many of them are going to go charging off into the caverns. What it does is provide a relief valve for the Jewelsmiths who don't want to die.
 
Surely at least some Dwarfs must see through this procrastinating method.

Say a Dwarf lost a loved one to an Orc attack. Of course he brings this up to his superiors and the Grudge is deemed sufficient enough to have its place in the Book of the Clan/Karak. Then the poor soul has to hope, that one day somebody somewhere will avenge this Grudge. Meanwhile he shall sit there stirring in his own juices, while his Ancestors shall know no peace. Can't it be seen as a weakness, rather than strength, to remove the responsibility from one's shoulders and do literary anything else, essentially forgetting the Grudge in all but name, since he doesn't have to pursue it himself anymore?

What if a King would actually strictly forbid said jewelsmith clan to go out and die in that Skaven tunnel, when they will finally say, that they are tired of waiting for vengeance to arrive?
What do you mean, 'see through'?

It isn't some secret that grudges are kept with the intent of being acted upon potentially long after the event in question. That's openly the whole point of the grudge system--to allow dwarves to take it on faith that in the far future their grudges will be settled, allowing them to cope in daily life without being crushed by their biological inability to forgive and forget.
 
It does not forbid anything. The King can't stop the Jewelsmiths if they really want to all go die. Regardless of what the King does many of them are going to go charging off into the caverns. What it does is provide a relief valve for the Jewelsmiths who don't want to die.
The King can order them not to go, can't he?

Otherwise he's pretty weak King.

The thing is, it may lead to civil war.
What do you mean, 'see through'?

It isn't some secret that grudges are kept with the intent of being acted upon potentially long after the event in question. That's openly the whole point of the grudge system--to allow dwarves to take it on faith that in the far future their grudges will be settled, allowing them to cope in daily life without being crushed by their biological inability to forgive and forget.
Not every Dwarf or Clan's the same.

I'm not negating the faith in the future generations, but the fact that you are essentially renouncing your responsibility for avenging a Grudge, since once you write it down, you no longer need to pursue it and may leave it there festering for all eternity.

It's basically the three wise monkeys all over again.
 
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@Mopman43 are you familiar with any magic items said to be created by Hag Witches specifically?
Well, Realm of the Ice Queen doesn't have any magic items in it that I'm aware of, and the only magic items in WH3 that would explicitly be the work of Hag Witches would be Ostankya's personal items, which is obviously a different matter from what Hags in general are capable of.

The generic magic items largely seem to be the work of Ice Witches or articles of faith, but I do see one possibility in the list.

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Blood of the Motherland

Blood of the Motherland is a Talisman in Total War: Warhammer III. It is unique to Kislev. A phial of soil taken from the ground around the gates of Praag, infused with the blood of her heroic fallen defenders. Passive ability: "Blood of the Motherland"

A phial of soil taken from the ground around the gates of Praag, infused with the blood of her heroic fallen defenders.
Not explicitly stated to be Hag work, but for one of their spells in RotIQ (Form of the Ancient Widow), the casting ingredient is 2 fistfuls of Kislevite soil soaked in the witch's blood. So Hags have a noted history of using blooded Kislev soil.
 
The King can order them not to go, can't he?

Otherwise he's pretty weak King.

The thing is, it may lead to civil war.

Not every Dwarf or Clan's the same.

I'm not negating the faith in the future generations, but the fact that you are essentially renouncing your responsibility for avenging a Grudge, since once you write it down, you no longer need to pursue it and may leave it there festering for all eternity.

It's basically the three wise monkeys all over again.
The King ordering someone to not fulfil a grudge would be a horrible shame to the King and just cause the dawi he ordered to swear the slayers oath and go out to die anyway.
 
The King ordering someone to not fulfil a grudge would be a horrible shame to the King and just cause the dawi he ordered to swear the slayers oath and go out to die anyway.
A good King can find a way out of any situation.

Such as ordering them to avenge another, much less perilous Grudge, that doesn't require leaving the Karak. Then another and another.

The system is easy to abuse with a full Book.
 
A good King can find a way out of any situation.

Such as ordering them to avenge another, much less perilous Grudge, that doesn't require leaving the Karak. Then another and another.

The system is easy to abuse with a full Book.
The way out is to take up the Grudge as a Karak grudge and promise the Jeweler's guild that they don't have to all die in a suicidal charge, that their grudge will be avenged without the need for them all to die.

This is not a legalistic problem that the King can just handwave. This is "This person is so angry about XYZ that they would rather die than continue to be angry" and the need to find a way to keep them from running off and dying. If he cannot convince them that the Grudge will be struck out then they are not going to stop being suicidally angry.
 
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I'm not negating the faith in the future generations, but the fact that you are essentially renouncing your responsibility for avenging a Grudge, since once you write it down, you no longer need to pursue it and may leave it there festering for all eternity.
Okay, but like… that's good, you understand? If every dwarf with a grudge felt they were somehow failing themselves by not obsessively pursuing grudges forever then dawi society would collapse. You need the smiths and engineers and runesmiths and farmers and miners and you need them to be emotionally stable and doing their goddamn jobs. They don't want to be doing random, less perilous grudges, because they're not grudge fulfilling machines, they're people who want emotional satisfaction for grievances that they know they can't fix personally without making the lives of others materially worse by their absence.
 
The way out is to take up the Grudge as a Karak grudge and promise the Jeweler's guild that they don't have to all die in a suicidal charge, that their grudge will be avenged without the need for them all to die.
Of course, Blackout clearly stated that.

I merely questioned what would happen, if the Clan's patience for their King to right the wrong ends and they will again get ready to march out. It is not an unreasonable suggestion, especially with the more ill-tempered and war-like clans.
Okay, but like… that's good, you understand? If every dwarf with a grudge felt they were somehow failing themselves by not obsessively pursuing grudges forever then dawi society would collapse. You need the smiths and engineers and runesmiths and farmers and miners and you need them to be emotionally stable and doing their goddamn jobs. They don't want to be doing random, less perilous grudges, because they're not grudge fulfilling machines, they're people who want emotional satisfaction for grievances that they know they can't fix personally without making the lives of others materially worse by their absence.
I kind of see the Dwarven mindset in a different light, but fair enough.
 
Of course, Blackout clearly stated that.

I merely questioned what would happen, if the Clan's patience for their King to right the wrong ends and they will again get ready to march out. It is not an unreasonable suggestion, especially with the more ill-tempered and war-like clans.

I kind of see the Dwarven mindset in a different light, but fair enough.
Then the King loses his Jeweler's clan and the Karak suffers for their loss.
 
Are dwarves fully responsible for their actions?

Humans are capable of forgiving our enemies and betraying our friends. We return good for evil and evil for good all the time. Dwarves, on the other hand, are exceptionally "fair". They repay evil with evil and good with good. While their code may be strange, and their sense of proportion is often hard to understand, they are overwhelmingly consistent.

As the author mentioned earlier, dwarves don't believe in breaking contracts, regardless of circumstances. Humans can find any number of excuses for why they should alter a bargain; if dwarves promise to do something, they do it or they take the Slayer Oath out of shame. They are absurdly lawful, to an extent that would be impossible for humans or elves.

I believe there may be a biological/spiritual element to the dwarven attitude around debts. Perhaps they simply can't forgive a wrong or forget a kindness without suffering a complete mental breakdown. If this is the case, then dwarves possess very limited free will, as they are constantly compelled to pay their debts.
 
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