Gonna be retreading a lot of ground Broken Base already did, here, but...
His very first post of the game is a vote, and one with no justification. Against someone it proved easy to throw a wagon on.
Ehh, I think Lizard Knight is just wanting to go straight to arguing as much as possible which is useful just in case someone slips up. Not being aware of LMBF being a loose cannon is fine, and questioning wagons and stuff is fairly towny, or neutral. Also, if one has to defend a lynch vote then that can be used for later reasoning.
A good thing about this set up, is that I don't think there is gonna be a cult. Unless it's waluigi versus luigi or something
(and don't say That's What A Cult Would Say!)
This weird light defense of Lizard Knight strikes me as... Off.
Wildcard history and they are usually too quiet. Though they almost gave my team the potential for maybe winning last game.
Here he gives his reason for the vote, but this is really the kind of thing we should have had out of him in the first place.
[X] Null
Pretty good reasoning actually.
And then he hops off his wagon when LMBF explains one prior incident.
I won't consider it scummy to do things different to what majority ask of you, since it's your night action. Assuming you have one of course.
And this feels like it's just trying to encourage Town to work at cross purposes.
I think I'll give a general thought or two. Riki's play is much different than last game. It's not necessarily a clear towntell but it's interesting and I'm keeping it in mind.
Broken Base commented here on Riki's play being different, which I don't think is untrue. At the same time, he lost the last game and had a frankly weak set of teammates. It's possible he is trying to play different having seen how it worked out for him last time, or that he is being coached by one of the higher skill players.
A flying feline
Of asure colouring fine
Receiving my vote
[X] Lynch Winged Cat
I don't have strong feelings about any lynch, but if Broken Base is going to take a comnanding position they're likely to be fine with investigatives checking them if WC turns up town if lynch succeeds.
Here Rikimaru flat out says they basically don't care who is lynched, which is fairly scummy. As an added bonus, his willingness to jump so fast on the Winged Cat wagon means if he
is scum it's fairly likely Winged Cat is town.
It could, admittedly, be sloppy phrasing. We have poor information here, since, well, day one. So he could just mean we don't have any really stong candidates to lynch yet. But that's not how it reads to me.
Like I said, if you seriously want to press me and force me to reveal this kind of thing on D1, then fine, have it your way.
Lynch pressure is supposed to make me show that I am town, right? That is what I am doing. If you want me to stop, choose another target.
On the Winged Cat note, this whining shit is, well, whining assholery, but not specifically scummy. Indeedz before Broken Base made her initial accusation, I had a town-ish read of Winged Cat because he didn't
do the whiny nonsense in White Raven where he was scum.
[X] Lynch Winged Cat
Because honestly you're just being obnoxious at this point. I go over thread and a large portion of it is you whining and overreacting about getting a half formed bandwagon on you early in the day. Let's give you something real to complain about.
And his own argument is basically, "but I'm too incompetent to do analysis". Day One seems an excellent time to do a bit of weeding here. While there's the distinct possibility that he's not scum, but if he's going to be behaving like this I see little reason to act to keep him in the game. The victim complex is annoying, as is the self defeating, "well I'll give it a shot, but immediately try to use a role info confirm without even waiting to see if the other option worked".
I very much agree with this, and that's half the problem. A lot of the Winged Cat voting was less about him seeming scummy and more about him pissing people off. Which doesn't make him not scum, mind, but means the votes on him are not really built on strong cases for him being scum for the most part.
Okay so, these large posts are rather intense lol. I do think that informed scum is a nigh on certainty, judging that scum are a bunch of cheating dicks who want to win a mario party game for big money.
So expect them to have dat knowledge, and probably the night actions are based off cheats, then maybe the cheaters have a hacking ability and can delete computers or something?
If so, then Winged cat being scum dropping a town hint claim this early in the day means that he wants the lynch train to die down by the end of the day and flip to someone else's lynch. Most early trains change targets even if there was legitimate reason to lynch the initial train target. Also, I do remember the admittedly Bastard CW game where we almost Day One lynched the serial killer.
And here's where we have Riki drop far too firm of a conclusion that scum is *cheat coders* when we have
no sign of that.
CPUs are for sure town yeah, but not all human beings cheat. (NOT saying I am human ofc). anyway gonna be busy most of the day. I try to not say what I am early on.
And here he declares being human not a sign of scumness. 'but not that I'm human, of course!', he protests.
also dunno if humans irl and in game are the same, nor have any humie info so whatevs, but I doubt all non ai would be bad
And more arbitrary 'the humans probably include good people, really!' arguing.
Lol. I immediately accepted LMBF's argument because when actually stated, I thought and was like "you know what? that's actually a totally legitimate thing to do as a survivor who knows that they are pointing a vigi who was told to kill someone I think is town into another person who is basically proven town who is probably gonna be protected by one of 3 protective roles"
I also said that going against majority of town's requests isn't something I would think is scum proof, because quite frankly, what the majority orders, is known to the scum team. That means that scum can plan around it and a certified loss from something happened surprisingly to scum, is made possible to survive by planning a cover story or explanations and stuff, or even having a headstart in self defense from accusations.
Now, I find it a bit amusing no one noticed by "he could have one power... or ten" though not massively surprised. It was me with a hint, one that is related to a meme about language.
I defended the newbie because I like defending newbies and had an explanation.
gtg. I am town. which s what anyone would say but whatevs. adios amigos 1010
Here he tries to argue that the scum know what the majority knows to justify his prior 'yeah man go against the majority!' thing, but the problem is while that is true, unless we see evidence of roles like Bus Drivers knowing our targets is only of limited aid to scum. And the correct argument at that point is not to defy the will of the majority but rather to point blank say 'I'm making my own night action judgement calls, if I have a power, and so should you!'.
Hah. Blue shells do slowing things if you get hit by them right? so there might be a roleblocker or something that uses shells? I might need to actually read what mario kart is beyond some memes.
And here we have Riki wildly confused about what game we are even playing. I made a joke about this earlier, but he seems to have missed the point. Mario Party =/= Mario Kart. It could be an innocent mistake, but I feel like it's more likely as a mistake from a scum player.
Wait, why is there discussion on why lynching is almost always a good idea? haven't we had this debate every single game that had more than 6 people without fail?
This rather late post on the lynch discussion honestly feels to me like padding post counts.
Okay my theory is that Bowser will be SK. The two mario bros are scum mason, peach might be arsonist and now I am just making up stuff. Insight from looking at smk wiki characters.
And here we have him throw out incredibly dumb, random 'theories' that are pretty much self contradictory and honestly feel like an attempt to bias assumptions.
I actually think we should stick to the Winged Cat lynch, because he did reveal potential softclaim material almost immediately, and we may as well see if it was due to being informed scum hoping to burn up lynch train early rather than have to counteract later.
Also, apart from the really bad inactivity of some (at least i think so, since we have 19 players and I only remember like half that with any sort of impression), they aren't gonna be as dangerous potential scum since they haven't started to try to bend town to their will.
Also, I want to lynch winged cat to see what happens, as I have always tried NOT to lynch him in previous games.
This rubs me the wrong way, and part why is
Riki himself has been trying to force Town's opinions down certain lanes. It wouldn't be scummy for LMBF to defy orders in secret, says Riki. We should stick to the Winged Cat lynch, says Riki in this same post. Humans probably aren't scum, asserts Riki in complete defiance of the flavor. When I get investigated and flip human, that makes me not scum, implies Riki via said assertion.
