Winged Cat
For Science!
- Location
- Silicon Valley
So yeah, I suspect Riki's looking for an out. I know I would be.
Mafio Party
- Thread starter ComiTurtle
- Start date
- Mafia
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- Tags
- mafia
Winged Cat
For Science!
- Location
- Silicon Valley
...huh. I just noticed, that tally didn't include my vote switch to Riki, or Riki pulling his vote from me.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Did you tell the tally to run before inserting it? I'm guessing 'no' since it was last run 30~ minutes ago. Have to tell it to run to get an up to date one.
- Location
- NZ
Yeah, it was because if others firmly think WC is town then there is no point in going after someone towny. Not to mention I would probably be lynched tomorrow potentially and that's just my death with a night to wait. I still think there's a good shot someone else will be saying something that triggers a lynch change.
I request that people don't continue dogpiling me, just leave me as majority of votes but look elsewhere, feel free to lynch me if you want to still.
People I would like more postage from
Joebobjoe, cyricubed, ellf, lmbf (though they are doing better in terms of activity which is nice and I do actually quite like their arguments and playstyle because it's not dissimilar to my mindset at times). But yeah, if people think I am worthy of lynching then go with that feeling. I am a cpu.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
defend. Yourself.
I refuse to remove my vote from someone who keeps going 'bros it'd be nice if you'd not lynch me lol' with no defense and no offering of an alternate target.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm not going to change my vote, I have no other good targets, and time is quickly running out. Still getting jitters.
Honestly, Riki, what I would do is try your best to craft a compelling defense to what you see as our main arguments, or claim, and that way if we believe you we'll have plenty of time to jump on WC or start a new counterwagon. It'd kind of be ideal really, since this wagon isn't getting off you... well, without said compelling spirited defense. Like... at least you're roughly posting content now? But there's a "too little too late" thing going on, and we're going to need more.
Honestly, Riki, what I would do is try your best to craft a compelling defense to what you see as our main arguments, or claim, and that way if we believe you we'll have plenty of time to jump on WC or start a new counterwagon. It'd kind of be ideal really, since this wagon isn't getting off you... well, without said compelling spirited defense. Like... at least you're roughly posting content now? But there's a "too little too late" thing going on, and we're going to need more.
- Location
- NZ
Okay. Gonna force my mind to actually be useful. Quite right, arguments needed.
Gonna roll a dice and pick someone to go full out on and just attack anything they post if I can or something and see if I get something useful. I feel as though the dice can give inspiration, though it sounds a bit dumb.
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Yeah.
Hit number 3 on a dice roller, here goes.
Ellf! actually with honesty I would have picked you as a target d1 thinking about it...
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"So, right now, looks like LMBF is the leading target... I think I'll keep that up for us.
[x] Lynch LetMeBeFree"
THAT'S IT!
Okay so here we have a grant total of ONE POST in the entire day 1. The only thing we know is that they Ellf and LetMeBeFree are probably not on the same mason team. That's it. And literally just a "joining bandwagon for pressure"
Absolutely unacceptable. They were more talkative in the cult game and while a bit quiet in that game still, they were noticeably helping town and doing stuff. They had FOUR posts on day 1 last game. This game they have ONE post. And even then all but two of those posts were mentioning being unwell and stuff (though to be fair half my arguments have been able my lack of knowledge on mario party in this game and being tired or in pain).
Also, last game Ellf had a few arguments/reasons and stuff so, already they are less towny this game than last game. Obviously they aren't a loquacious individual but the absolute dirth of any more than a basic vote more than 24 hours ago is very troubling.
Sooooo how about lynching someone who hasn't done anything noticeable, who we know has been reading the thread and not deigned to say anything more, instead of me. I am fairly talkative though often not the most reliable in terms of logic and stuff, but you got enough info from me. Everyone knows my claim of being a CPU. I am keeping my powers if any secret because then scum has little information as possible...
While I did just randomly roll for a target, I firmly believe Ellf is a legitimate target, even if just out of their terrible post count of a grand total of ONE.
[X] Lynch Ellf
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well it's obvious that the inactivity push isn't going to take off so I might as well add my voice to the players that want Riki to actually try and defend himself.
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Rikimaru
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Rikimaru
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Controversial take: I would be okay with an Ellf wagon, like, right now. I'm pretty sure I mentioned him as somebody I was kinda askance at this morning.
Problematic corollary: To both potentially ease concerns from other people, and make myself willing to cast my vote elsewhere, you're still going to have to claim, Riki. That was actually not bad analysis, but... ugh. In part it's sunk cost fallacy, but in part there are elements outside scumhunting that just make you too suspicious to let go. If you can claim, we can get off you (assuming we believe it), and potentially I can help build mometum for an Ellf wagon.
And missed this:
I missed this- I'm slightly uncomfortable with a Bayesian approach here because it inherently skews toward active players, from my perception, and against lurkers. Which actually isn't because I'm the most active player in the game (xP) but because we have so many lurkers- like just check the activities list- like I feel like this sort of approach in this game is going to protect scum rather than help seek them out.
If your Bayesian analysis component isn't related to that and just related to the inherent probability of, like, Winged Cat being scum specifically, or somthing along those lines, I'm not sure why Winged Cat or Rikimaru are better than the lurkers other than being flavors of the day, really?
And I'm having slight trouble getting a read on your post here- so you're saying that overall Winged Cat and Riki are scummy (though you don't quite go into why you feel that way- sorry if I missed that) but that overall Riki is worse but Winged Cat could be an okay lynch too? This feels kinda fence-sitty, but tbf I thought that way of you early last game too so...
Problematic corollary: To both potentially ease concerns from other people, and make myself willing to cast my vote elsewhere, you're still going to have to claim, Riki. That was actually not bad analysis, but... ugh. In part it's sunk cost fallacy, but in part there are elements outside scumhunting that just make you too suspicious to let go. If you can claim, we can get off you (assuming we believe it), and potentially I can help build mometum for an Ellf wagon.
And missed this:
I missed this- I'm slightly uncomfortable with a Bayesian approach here because it inherently skews toward active players, from my perception, and against lurkers. Which actually isn't because I'm the most active player in the game (xP) but because we have so many lurkers- like just check the activities list- like I feel like this sort of approach in this game is going to protect scum rather than help seek them out.
If your Bayesian analysis component isn't related to that and just related to the inherent probability of, like, Winged Cat being scum specifically, or somthing along those lines, I'm not sure why Winged Cat or Rikimaru are better than the lurkers other than being flavors of the day, really?
And I'm having slight trouble getting a read on your post here- so you're saying that overall Winged Cat and Riki are scummy (though you don't quite go into why you feel that way- sorry if I missed that) but that overall Riki is worse but Winged Cat could be an okay lynch too? This feels kinda fence-sitty, but tbf I thought that way of you early last game too so...
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
I'm with Broken Base on this, frankly. I could see doing an Ellf wagon, but not while Riki hasn't offered a reason to not lynch Riki himself.
So my vote remains where it is until Riki offers a role claim or at least, like, a character claim.
So my vote remains where it is until Riki offers a role claim or at least, like, a character claim.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
This is something that's been bothering me for a little bit after Terra made a comment about the setting...Rikimaru...could you type out this exact line in your next response after reading this?
"We are playing Mario Party."
And as a couple others have pointed out, unfortunately you haven't really defended yourself...more like you keep trying to deflect the attention to others and shift focus.
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Rikimaru
If I can see some solid argument why we shouldn't vote you then I will happily null you given that it makes logical sense.
"We are playing Mario Party."
And as a couple others have pointed out, unfortunately you haven't really defended yourself...more like you keep trying to deflect the attention to others and shift focus.
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Rikimaru
If I can see some solid argument why we shouldn't vote you then I will happily null you given that it makes logical sense.
- Location
- NZ
I literally provided everyone with a reason why I am more valuable than Ellf. BB and Terrabrand even agree that I had a decent argument and they considered changing their vote.
Gonna go with a character name claim. Shy Guy. I also checked it out to see if it was a character and it's some sort of bot player, which is pretty nice.
- Location
- NZ
I don't want to power claim because then scum can make better calculations on who to kill - assuming there is a night kill though it's nigh on certain because why wouldn't there be one on mafia's side?
Shy Guy is my name. Hope that's enough BB and Terrabrand to switch to an Ellf lynch.
Shy Guy is my name. Hope that's enough BB and Terrabrand to switch to an Ellf lynch.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's honestly good enough for me, for the time being. I don't feel like Shy Guy is a character that the human players would be likely to snatch up, at least, and they probably don't need to do fakeclaims. So I'll buy it.
[X] Null
I wouldn't mind a full claim here, just to be able to fully evaluate, but I find this part compelling at least, and there are 9 other people voting you. There's enough pressure there even with me off and starting to try and build an Ellf wagon. I might try and figure out exactly what bugged me about Ellf, aside from just inactivity, later to try and help. But you probably covered it to be honest.
[X] Lynch Ellf
[X] Null
I wouldn't mind a full claim here, just to be able to fully evaluate, but I find this part compelling at least, and there are 9 other people voting you. There's enough pressure there even with me off and starting to try and build an Ellf wagon. I might try and figure out exactly what bugged me about Ellf, aside from just inactivity, later to try and help. But you probably covered it to be honest.
[X] Lynch Ellf
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Only a badly done bayesian approach would favor inactive players. A lack of evidence is still evidence, since absent meta concerns, posting less tends to favor scum; it's fewer chances for them to fuck up and thereby lose degrees of anonymity. It's just not particularly strong evidence.
My read on the situation is Rikimaru > Winged Cat > Ellf / LetMeBeFree / MedievalParadox > Background*^
I'm saying overall that they aren't scummy, and that the arguments against them aren't at all damning, but almost no day 1 argument is and we should be lynching someone anyway, so lynching the scummiest is still our best play.
* Since others have an increased weight, this is technically lower than normal, but not much
^ I don't think these "suspicion gradients" are very large at all
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@QTesseract Fair enough- I'm not too proficient in Bayesian so I appreciate the corrections.
- Location
- NZ
On one hand I am not a fan of qTesseract using mathmatic equations to help with deciding scumminess, on the other hand they did a pretty legit bluff last game that caused cult not to cult them... Gonna just see it as disagreement on style of info gathering and it's not inherintly a bad idea.
- Location
- NZ
Lizard Knight, Archeo Lumiere, Nictis, Cheese4Every1, QTesseract, Winged Cat, Pawn Lelouch, Cyricubed
Come on, get ya votes of me I have done what I can to defend myself and argue for lynching someone who is less valuable for town in terms of their participation/posts this game.
Come on, get ya votes of me I have done what I can to defend myself and argue for lynching someone who is less valuable for town in terms of their participation/posts this game.
- Location
- NZ
Fair enough, but please make it so that I don't feel bad about being lynched instead of you
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
I also agree, with that in mind
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Ellf
Now then, I would like to say however, while I do agree that the logic is sound, Shy Guy is actually a playable character in one of the, and set to be a playable character in the upcoming Mario Party game, so you aren't ironclad based on name. But I will say hopefully that might provide insight and help with future cases if you truly are town. I'd also like the mention...you still haven't said "We are playing mario party" ???
Also sorry for the delay riki I was driving at the time.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think I figured out exactly what bugged me about that post by Ellf. But it's going to take a bit to explain it.
I'm going to quote it, both to give Ellf a buzz given that we're kickstarting a wagon on him (proves unneccesary), and for clarity of what is going on here.
So, let's look at the context this was in. The first important thing to note is that the previous page, Page 4, there was a solid LMBF momentum building. However, the momentum was starting to die, with multiple players abandoning the wagon on page 4 as well. However, that's due to the fact that LMBF gave an explanation that may have convinced at least one user, and then made an agreement that potentially convinced another. The momentum was declining. There was also at least one user that indicated that they were unwilling to lynch LMBF. However, then the wagon started up again. And then, finally, Ellf slides in with his vote.
Now one problematic aspect of it is that it completely ignores the exchange on Page 4, not even bringing it up, solely looking at this in the context of a wagon. And it is worth noting that LMBF is an incredibly easy player to justify wagoning and pushing to a claim, which is incredibly problematic if they're town. So when LMBF gets rid of the key motivator behind the wagon, and Ellf is one of the players that brings it back alive with little basis (honestly there's another user there that... worries me, but maybe I can get back to that.), that's kinda... eh.
Now it would help if this wasn't literally all I had to go on in regards to Ellf. This is the issue with the ridiculously low-volume players- it is literally impossible to construct a detailed, firm case against them because there is so little to go on, so you have to focus on vaguer, single arguments and hope that those were found compelling. On some level the amount of that sort of thing going on in this game is something that I find concerning, and I really feel like the need, both in terms of individual scumminess and in terms of general concern, to kind of make a note about that.
If you were truly too busy to post Ellf and only could read when you were free, I'm sorry that you ended up being the fulcrum of our wagon-based rage. Hopefully you won't hold it against me. But... on some level I want to crack down on this a bit, and I do think that your single post is at least a little off, which warrants a bit of pressure. After learning the nature of Ellf's absence I'm more... weary of this lynch (and wish I could stop getting tossed here and there) but... I won't claim I think there's no basis for it and... ugh. 1 post. Even if it's not their fault I just...
I'm going to quote it, both to give Ellf a buzz given that we're kickstarting a wagon on him (proves unneccesary), and for clarity of what is going on here.
So, let's look at the context this was in. The first important thing to note is that the previous page, Page 4, there was a solid LMBF momentum building. However, the momentum was starting to die, with multiple players abandoning the wagon on page 4 as well. However, that's due to the fact that LMBF gave an explanation that may have convinced at least one user, and then made an agreement that potentially convinced another. The momentum was declining. There was also at least one user that indicated that they were unwilling to lynch LMBF. However, then the wagon started up again. And then, finally, Ellf slides in with his vote.
Now one problematic aspect of it is that it completely ignores the exchange on Page 4, not even bringing it up, solely looking at this in the context of a wagon. And it is worth noting that LMBF is an incredibly easy player to justify wagoning and pushing to a claim, which is incredibly problematic if they're town. So when LMBF gets rid of the key motivator behind the wagon, and Ellf is one of the players that brings it back alive with little basis (honestly there's another user there that... worries me, but maybe I can get back to that.), that's kinda... eh.
Now it would help if this wasn't literally all I had to go on in regards to Ellf. This is the issue with the ridiculously low-volume players- it is literally impossible to construct a detailed, firm case against them because there is so little to go on, so you have to focus on vaguer, single arguments and hope that those were found compelling. On some level the amount of that sort of thing going on in this game is something that I find concerning, and I really feel like the need, both in terms of individual scumminess and in terms of general concern, to kind of make a note about that.
If you were truly too busy to post Ellf and only could read when you were free, I'm sorry that you ended up being the fulcrum of our wagon-based rage. Hopefully you won't hold it against me. But... on some level I want to crack down on this a bit, and I do think that your single post is at least a little off, which warrants a bit of pressure. After learning the nature of Ellf's absence I'm more... weary of this lynch (and wish I could stop getting tossed here and there) but... I won't claim I think there's no basis for it and... ugh. 1 post. Even if it's not their fault I just...
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
I will accept 'life got in the way'. Accordingly...
This is all Cakestepid has, which is to say nearly nothing. As Cake is reasonably veteran, I'm okay with inactivity lynching him now that Riki has given us something.
[X] Null Ellf
[X] Lynch Cakestepid