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Sooo, ok. Everyone is just unvoting. That's not going to do. I'm going to try and get a wagon going here and build some pressure.

The lmbf wagon isn't TERRIBLE but I'm not too hot on it- they made a potential agreement and I think it's fair we at least give them a chance to go through with it. In addition, I really love competing wagons and seeing how people react to them. So I'm staying off that one.

Nictis is my most solid townread at this point so I can't join that one either.

Cake has been waffly on lmbf before joining their wagon and that's basically it (Their only post so far, granted). The other person on the wagon is Pawn who I'm fine with so far, so I'm pretty comfortable making another competing wagon.

[x] Lynch Cakestepid

Come on guys, you know cake is delicious!

Anyway going to try and actually give the game some air like I tried and failed to earlier.
 
TBH I don't feel comfortable lynching somebody right off the bat just because they made a few mistakes in previous games out of what appears to be inexperience.
I'm not exactly planning on lynching him either until I see what he's planning on doing, but I could point to a specific point last game where he lied later on to muddle up the situation. Day 2 he claimed to be roleblocked by a bunch of vines, Day 4 I believe I had asked him whether the vines were a real thing and if he was actually roleblocked, he said yes. They were not, and he was not.
Can someone else explain why the reasoning behind the D1 lynch? I'd do it but I'm at work right now and its generally a good thing for new players to learn about the reasoning for it.
Sure.

Day 1 lynch is always a crapshoot. Always. It's also the only reliable way we have to get information early on. If we choose not to do so then we start Day 2 at a crapshoot as well, but the non-Town got a free action out of it. If we don't scumhunt Day 1, or if we try it while they know we won't lynch anyone, we aren't going to get any information from people. We'd have to rely on a power role to show up with info and... That only really works if the cop or something happens to find mafia, by sheer chance.
It...really kind of has been, though, when it wasn't a policy lynch.
Not... really? I mean, I can see it if you're talking about when we switch off someone to whoever has a chance of getting lynched instead because the claim came too late in the Day to actually take a second look at the reasons people voted up the first candidate, but the person at the end of the lynch is often up there because of the stuff they've said.
Also note that we tend to let new players live through D1, N1, and usually (but not always) D2 and N2.
Note: This is a courtesy. If you seriously mess it up that courtesy does go away. We just don't tend to look too hard at the new people until after they've had a good chance to try it out.
The information harvested D1 has more often been unforced errors, than generated by lynch pressure.
Ah. Yes, the things people say when they're talking so they don't get lynched. Lynch pressure isn't just on the one who's currently being voted up you know?

I have No reason to join any current bandwagon...
However I do think it is wise to keep Some pressure up Instead of going non vote...
But I know no one to vote for So Eh
[X] Null NotteBoy97
Then pick someone who's name you like, just for the joy of seeing it in a nice colour.
(Also I found Winged Cat's hop onto Nictis and really starting it as a wagon pretty opportunistic so that's another reason I'm "eh" on it)
I mean, he says it right there. He thinks it's only fair that I get lynched today for daring to vote for a non-player :V

Which, well...
[x] Lynch Winged Cat
 
I mean I don't want to get in a meta debate

Ditto. I don't think we'll be convincing anyone but the new players, and our respective points are now stated well enough that they should be able to judge. They can ask us if they want more elaboration.

Also I'm not really sure how new players getting a little boost is relevant at all unless you assume newbie maf team.

It was a side note, not directly part of the main topic. Nictis understood what I was saying, and elaborated:

Note: This is a courtesy. If you seriously mess it up that courtesy does go away. We just don't tend to look too hard at the new people until after they've had a good chance to try it out.

Also apparently we do get data, only its by "unforced errors". So you're kinda moving the goalposts here because the above says absolutely nothing about lynches via pressure. And that is something that would be even harder to do an overall analysis of, and determine whether or not a lynch was "by pressure" or an "unforced error" (also an undefined term).

Again, Nictis got the definition well enough:

Ah. Yes, the things people say when they're talking so they don't get lynched. Lynch pressure isn't just on the one who's currently being voted up you know?

While I agree in principle, quite a bit of this that I have seen has been without such apparent pressure.

Not... really? I mean, I can see it if you're talking about when we switch off someone to whoever has a chance of getting lynched instead because the claim came too late in the Day to actually take a second look at the reasons people voted up the first candidate, but the person at the end of the lynch is often up there because of the stuff they've said.

A policy lynch is almost always because of stuff they've said, sure. (Unless it's because they're way too inactive, and thus that they haven't said almost anything.) But I use Mafia Wiki's definition here, primarily that a policy lynch is not "lynch because we actually think they may be scum".

I mean, he says it right there. He thinks it's only fair that I get lynched today for daring to vote for a non-player :V

Which, well...
[x] Lynch Winged Cat

Not just that, but because LMBF or I would likely (judging by our prior games) be wagontrained for doing something of this sort, regardless of anything we said in our defense, while you probably won't be. But fair's fair. :V
 
I am... not familiar with LMBF and their previous antics, or anyone here outside of Comiturtle and Cyric, to be frank. And my only experience with games like this is with Town of Salem. That being said, I'll weigh in and participate to the best of my ability.

Honestly, I'm not comfortable lynching anyone on day 1, unless they make an obviously false role claim or make it clear they only intend to troll. In my opinion, there's a reason you don't get the option to lynch day 1 in town of Salem. We have very little to go on, if anything today. That being said, I do agree that getting the ball rolling can be a very good thing for town. I'm not going to fight you guys over seemingly random lynching, especially since most of you actually know other players' tendencies for mischief and fuckery, but I simply want to express that I'm worried about the possibility of a lynch with no evidence from the current game removing a town player. That goes for any vote to lynch so far, not just for LMBF.

Personally, I don't think I will vote to lynch anyone today. Perhaps I'm just too cautious though.

So giving my own two cents on this before I go back over the stuff I read while up too late (which will be a seperate post)...

Forum Mafia has an unknown number of power roles of unknown powers with unknown alignments and unknown limitations. If we don't swing around the lynch d1 we have literally nothing for any of those power roles to work from except what amounts to reputation at night.

Do we have a watcher? We don't know. The watcher knows if he exists, but he shouldn't suggest there is a watcher because that's kinda bluntly a suggestion that he is the watcher. What about a cop? Well, everything I just said except replace 'watcher' with 'cop'. It's not inconceivable that we have no informational roles at all.

So if we don't lynch, barring multiple scum factions and amazing luck for us n1, the n1 deaths will be town. Information powers shouldn't claim unless they luck into info like 'I watched the dead player and only one dude visited' because they will jump to the top of the list. So we enter d2 as blind as day one but with fewer town roles if we do that.

Now let's say that we no lynch Day 1. The only information that we have to go on is the scum night kill, but trying to speculate based off the scum night kill is a mess. It could be for an endless amount of reasons, and a lot of them aren't particularly alignment indicative. So, in essence, we go into Day 2 with barely more information than we went into Day 1 with.

More than that, if there is lynch discussion we can analyze the scum kill in relation to that. If we don't at least consider in seriousness from the start lynching there will be no reason for anyone to make any guesses on other players and so on. So for example last game I was in I was scum. I picked out as our target one of the players I generally consider threatening, because day 1 wasn't especially atypical, as our n1 target. (Nictis, specifically).

So having said that, if Nictis comes up as dead we can conclude I'm either taking refuge in audacity by mentioning it and I'm scum, or else that someone is trying to frame me. Oh, there's probably other conclusions you can draw, that's just off the top of my head.

But more broadly, we can look and see who that player was suspicious of/pushing to lynch and look at if any players in that list might be particularly scummy looking.

In general, who does and does not vote for who day 1 is a valuable data point to cross reference with. If I, say, wind up seriously pushing a lynch of, I dunno, Winged Cat or Pawn Lelouch, and that player comes up scum (as a nightkill, lynch, or cop result) we can conclude I'm either town or at least a separate scum group member (because bussing this early is probably more loss than gain).

And we can guess about how many scum groups there are based on night actions, eg kill count.
 
Not just that, but because LMBF or I would likely (judging by our prior games) be wagontrained for doing something of this sort, regardless of anything we said in our defense, while you probably won't be. But fair's fair. :V

I find it amusing that you don't include Derpmind in that, even though it was his "I'd get lynched for this" post that made you go "Yep! Burn the Nictis!". I might actually be willing to wagon Nictis if this had anything behind it, or you could give me a reason he was a good target, but instead you do... this, just kind of accusing the other party of hypocrisy and deciding that alone is good basis for push for a full wagon. It's lazy and max opportunistic. Which makes me want to... check out the Winged Cat ouvre!

His first real post is meta. Which like... given that it was prompted wouldn't be a great sin, except that we were at Page 5 at this point. There was plenty of talk about- the lmbf wagon alone could have some interesting points of insight. There's also my poking Lizard Knight or Nictis (ironically), just off the top of my head. But he just kinda floats there with his meta and votes Nictis for the reasoning we've gone over. Then a couple no-content posts, and then another huge post, which outside justifying the Nictis vote, once again has zero content. This time we're on Page 6. Overall, there is a decent amount going on at this point. We have wagons shifting and changing shape and moving in on lmbd overall, with a good deal of players tossing in thoughts or at least votes, and he has nothing to say about any of it.

So a lot of meta, no actual content. Literally none. Especially since he doesn't even care if Nictis is scum or town, and just want to lynch because of perceived hypocrisy. I know, it's the beginning of the game. But a total blank slate is kind of alarming for 4 posts across two decent chunks of the thread, two of which have 300 words total?

So, you know, this is far better than Cake.

[x] Lynch Winged Cat
 
Sorry just woke up, I admit that I am a wild card but when I sent the big to kill the town roll it was because I wasn't 100% sure they were telling the truth and because I thought that they would be protected at night, the vig had two possible targets, me and shard I didn't want to take that risk.

As for the rumour, it was a theory that everyone was a townie when I started killing.

But I'm not going to vote for now I need more info.

This is the kinda thing you should have said in the White Raven thread before this game started, for reference. While games are running people lie. Even about past games. Or at least present misleading truths. You want to spin things favorably to you if you are scum and possibly even if your town.

TBH I don't feel comfortable lynching somebody right off the bat just because they made a few mistakes in previous games out of what appears to be inexperience. I'm not willing to give new players carte blanche or anything, and it's not like going after suboptimal players is wrong strictly speaking, but you can't learn without making a few mistakes.

If he's seasoned and consistently makes bad or trollish moves that's another story entirely of course.

———

I'm curious as to whether this is a game where everybody has a unique role, or if we have a bunch of generic Toads or Goombas running around.

My guess is we all have unique characters. I'm not familiar with recent Mario Partt games, but Marip stuff as a whole has more than enough characters to fill out nineteen slots. We may or may not have vanillas (i refuse to confirm or deny if I am one), but I'm guessing everyone is a conceptually different character.

Speaking of fairness, if I made a day-one post like that, I'd be immediately the number one lynch vote

Showmanship. Nictis has presentation and response to responses that let him get away with it. Mafia is a social game. Your ability to play the crowd naturally factors in.

So a lot of meta, no actual content. Literally none. Especially since he doesn't even care if Nictis is scum or town, and just want to lynch because of perceived hypocrisy. I know, it's the beginning of the game. But a total blank slate is kind of alarming for 4 posts across two decent chunks of the thread, two of which have 300 words total?

So, you know, this is far better than Cake.

[x] Lynch Winged Cat

... I was about to vote up Rikimaru, give him a proper welcome to veteran status, and try to force him to be more active, and get on a more serious vote given the short day 1 we have to work with, but this is actually a legitimately good point.

[X] Null Nictis

[X] Lynch Winged Cat


This is a very workable serious vote.
 
Still not sure what to do but i know what broken base was like last game so their love for compeating wagons is normal, I don't want to die.

Still im seeing arguments for who to lynch and I like the idea broken base is throwing down but I'm not sure if I should vote for winged cat.

Sure I may be a wild card but that's the fun of a wild card, your just as likely to get lucky as you are to not.

I'm trying not to be a troll this game but that just how I am, I don't follow one specific mindset I just do what my brain tells me to do, wether that's killing derpmind n1 or attempting to kill a town roll by using the vig.

But that's the me I'm trying not to be this game so give me a chance to prove that I am different.

Still not going to vote for now but I will reveal if I have to.
 
Still im seeing arguments for who to lynch and I like the idea broken base is throwing down but I'm not sure if I should vote for winged cat.
You vote Winged Cat unless you think you see a better target, if only out of self preservation. Nobody is gonna see it as sus to try to live, that's what everything but Jester wants to do. Including town, of course.
 
So if we don't lynch, barring multiple scum factions and amazing luck for us n1, the n1 deaths will be town. Information powers shouldn't claim unless they luck into info like 'I watched the dead player and only one dude visited' because they will jump to the top of the list. So we enter d2 as blind as day one but with fewer town roles if we do that.

Hmm. I didn't say this entirely right. Death or deaths. Could be singular, but at this game size I'm guessing we have at least two, possibly more, sources of night kills.
 
A flying feline
Of asure colouring fine
Receiving my vote

[X] Lynch Winged Cat

I don't have strong feelings about any lynch, but if Broken Base is going to take a comnanding position they're likely to be fine with investigatives checking them if WC turns up town if lynch succeeds.
 
His first real post is meta. Which like... given that it was prompted wouldn't be a great sin, except that we were at Page 5 at this point.

Because I went to bed shortly before the game started. Comi's game start post was 1:04 AM my time; I went to bed a bit before 1 AM last night. Then I went to work, and had several meetings in the morning. I saw AL's (the final) confirmation before I hit the hay, so I figured I would be missing the first several hours of the game - but there was nothing for it.

(Preventing this kind of situation, for myself and as much as possible for my players, is why I set the start/end times in The Rumor the way I did, with zero allowance to float.)

There was plenty of talk about- the lmbf wagon alone could have some interesting points of insight. There's also my poking Lizard Knight or Nictis (ironically), just off the top of my head. But he just kinda floats there with his meta and votes Nictis for the reasoning we've gone over.

All there was to talk about there, had already been talked about from my point of view. I saw nothing further to contribute.

This time we're on Page 6. Overall, there is a decent amount going on at this point. We have wagons shifting and changing shape and moving in on lmbd overall, with a good deal of players tossing in thoughts or at least votes, and he has nothing to say about any of it.

LMBF had given a defense and it had been accepted (at least by Riki) before I even made my first after-game-start post. Yes I had no analysis because I saw nothing worth analyzing yet. Notice that I was also lightly arguing against the point of D1 lynch "pressure", because I perceived no such point. Your accusation has revealed a flaw worth analyzing, though.

You say there's a lot of content - enough that for a player to have not commented on it makes them worth lynching. I have just reread the same thread you have, from start of game until now, and I call you a liar on that point.

For evidence, one need look no further than to see that most of the other players have not yet given extensive commentary either, and we can presume (based on balance calculations, that scum typically auto-win once they are majority, and on prior games here) that most of the players are not scum. You cite the LMBF wagon, which appears to have been resolved (just waiting on people to find someone else to vote for; Cyricubed and Ellf voted for afterward but did not seem to notice that LMBF had given a defense). Your poking Lizard Knight and Nictis is something for them, not me, to respond to. And so on.

As further evidence: we're barely on page 6, after starting on page 3. Only 5 players have 10 or more posts in the entire thread by now, and quite a few have still only made signup and confirmation posts. A lot of the conversation has been on meta issues - what you call "no content" since they don't directly relate to suspicion on people in this particular game. Even aside from whether there's content worth commenting on, there simply isn't that much content to comment on, period.

These pieces of evidence are ones that any player in this game can verify independently. Just read the thread, and check the post counts.

"Lynch All Liars" may be a policy lynch by many definitions - but I said I have seen D1 lynches often winding up as policy lynches, did I not? Even if it's only borderline "policy", because scum are more likely to lie. (Even if you are Town - CPU - then lying like that is less useful to Town than other players.)

[X] Lynch Broken Base

(And yes, sorry to break out the team color this early, but if y'all - it's more than just BB at this point - are gonna press for serious content this early, then y'all get serious content this early.)
 
Also to everyone I will point out that WC dropping the town name means nothing about his aliegance.

There have been games where mafia have been told the town name and there has been games where they haven't, that part of his post at least shouldn't influence anyone.
 
Also to everyone I will point out that WC dropping the town name means nothing about his aliegance.

There have been games where mafia have been told the town name and there has been games where they haven't, that part of his post at least shouldn't influence anyone.
Frankly, it pisses me off that he did that. I have been carefully avoiding referencing the Town Name in the hopes of seeing scum or third parties make theories that fit poorly to it to give evidence of their not town-ness.

He has just wiped out that possibility, and as you noted it doesn't prove anything about his alignment.
 
Also to everyone I will point out that WC dropping the town name means nothing about his aliegance.

There have been games where mafia have been told the town name and there has been games where they haven't, that part of his post at least shouldn't influence anyone.

It's not proof, granted. It merely makes it more likely, on the odds that this is not an informed-mafia game.

Might I ask why you jumped so quickly to point this out? Was it just for the new players' benefit?
 
Like, obviously. People can make guesses that fit poorly to the town name while being town. But it had a possibility of catching someone not knowing the town name without needing to directly demand it.
 
Frankly, it pisses me off that he did that. I have been carefully avoiding referencing the Town Name in the hopes of seeing scum or third parties make theories that fit poorly to it to give evidence of their not town-ness.

He has just wiped out that possibility, and as you noted it doesn't prove anything about his alignment.

Like I said, if you seriously want to press me and force me to reveal this kind of thing on D1, then fine, have it your way.

Lynch pressure is supposed to make me show that I am town, right? That is what I am doing. If you want me to stop, choose another target.
 
It's not proof, granted. It merely makes it more likely, on the odds that this is not an informed-mafia game.

Might I ask why you jumped so quickly to point this out? Was it just for the new players' benefit?
To be blunt, I personally think it makes you more likely to be informed scum. We're still in the first third of the day, you just wiped out the ability to use it as a pseudo-confirm for serious pressure while under a measly four votes, and you used it in lieu of trying to first get the lynch off you through pro-town options like analysis.

Like I said, if you seriously want to press me and force me to reveal this kind of thing on D1, then fine, have it your way.

Lynch pressure is supposed to make me show that I am town, right? That is what I am doing. If you want me to stop, choose another target.
You have four votes. That's barely over a fifth the town. Use some damn analysis or basic finger pointing rather than busting out the nuclear options.

You've firmed up my vote on you for now because you wasted the pseudo confirm on this crap and did it in a way that looks like informed scum pulling a 'gotcha'. So I have to read you as having good odds of being informed scum.

You use that after other defenses have failed, you do not bust out theoretical nuclear options this early. This looks like informed scum overexcited by their fancy toy of being informed scum, hoping to get confirmation as 'town' super easy because 'whee, easy town confirmation'.

Past experience suggests you will be at best mediocre town, frankly, and this is consistent with this. Meanwhile you haven't had an early death recently so I've got no compunctions about lynching you day 1.
 
Like, obviously. People can make guesses that fit poorly to the town name while being town.

Someone who makes a guess that fits poorly to the town name gets lynched, whether or not they are town. You don't get to rally a serious bandwagon against me and fairly expect me to not provide evidence.

That said, notice that I haven't paraphrased our wincon yet. It's not a direct quote, so it's legal by the rules, but it is something that has irritated you and many others when people have done it in prior games.
 
Oook here we go. This is going to be spaghetti, but there's nothing for it.

Because I went to bed shortly before the game started. Comi's game start post was 1:04 AM my time; I went to bed a bit before 1 AM last night. Then I went to work, and had several meetings in the morning. I saw AL's (the final) confirmation before I hit the hay, so I figured I would be missing the first several hours of the game - but there was nothing for it.

(Preventing this kind of situation, for myself and as much as possible for my players, is why I set the start/end times in The Rumor the way I did, with zero allowance to float.)

All there was to talk about there, had already been talked about from my point of view. I saw nothing further to contribute.

The first part isn't your fault. I get that.

However, the idea that everything had been talked about and therefore you had nothing to contribute is asinine. You can always give your take on events- your take is inherently going to be independent from other people's takes, because you yourself are gving them and you have a different perspective. Everything is going to get commented on by a party; that doesn't mean that another party might not have a perspective on it worth sharing. Otherwise we'd just look at an interaction and go- yep! Nothing else to say about this one, since both parties commented! We're going to cover this again, I know. But I thought I'd point it out now.

LMBF had given a defense and it had been accepted (at least by Riki) before I even made my first after-game-start post. Yes I had no analysis because I saw nothing worth analyzing yet. Notice that I was also lightly arguing against the point of D1 lynch "pressure", because I perceived no such point. Your accusation has revealed a flaw worth analyzing, though.

I find it fascinating that you can talk about not having anything to analyze when you yourself note something that you could analyze. What do you think about the defense? What do you think about people's reactions to it? Overall, what is your take on the game as it is?

So far these are just cheap excuses, to be frank. "Everything had been talked about by someone". "The event had already well occurred". Neither of these are reasons for another player to not comment on them. Everything should be open for comment in this game by all parties; you're a veteran to this game, I feel like you should realize this. That content analysis isn't somehow isolated or contained or guarded to a select few. It's wide open, baby.

You say there's a lot of content - enough that for a player to have not commented on it makes them worth lynching. I have just reread the same thread you have, from start of game until now, and I call you a liar on that point.

For evidence, one need look no further than to see that most of the other players have not yet given extensive commentary either, and we can presume (based on balance calculations, that scum typically auto-win once they are majority, and on prior games here) that most of the players are not scum. You cite the LMBF wagon, which appears to have been resolved (just waiting on people to find someone else to vote for; Cyricubed and Ellf voted for afterward but did not seem to notice that LMBF had given a defense). Your poking Lizard Knight and Nictis is something for them, not me, to respond to. And so on.

lol

First of all, I might be willing to grant your point. However, that doesn't actually make me a liar? It means that those players also had posts worth commenting. So! I decided to check the players that had more posts than yours, or the same.

Nictis: Has commented on the LMBF affair, has engaged in a response to me in a moment of minor scumhunting. (I would give the same to you but you really aren't scumhunting at all lol)
Terrabrand: Hasn't commented on as much as I'd like, but did comment on the LMBF affair.
Lizard Knight: Has engaged with me regarding LMBF, commented on LMBF independently, commented on my mild pressure on cake, and other matters.
Rikimaru: Has commented on LMBF, and defend Lizard Knight from my attacks.
Pawn Lelouch: Has not commented on the relevant events I cited.
letmebeefree: Has commented on own lynch, obviously. In depth. I'm also willing to give lmbf a little wiggle room due to how they play.

So you have 1 example out of 6 users that have contributed around as much as you. Not less, really, given that this is pure deflection onto me and your Nictis vote is nothing, but around as much. However, Pawn's whole contribution doesn't even equal 100-150 words, let alone the 300 you racked up in your two content posts. To compare the two of you would be absurd.

So there is nobody that is comparable. Nobody that has posted roughly as much as you have (Pawn has posted less), and has contributed the same amount. Many of these players did only comment on the LMBF incident, but at least they commented on it. They provided their views on the game. They actually engaged and did something. You didn't even do that. You have done absolutely nothing, while given plenty of opportunity. You could have easily done more than poke at Nictis.

Do you have absolutely no reads in the game before you deflected onto me? Absolutely none? Because it isn't just commenting on events, you know, you could also comment on reads. You chose to not do that. You chose to not reveal how you felt about any players in the game, instead focusing on Nictis for garbage reasons.

As further evidence: we're barely on page 6, after starting on page 3. Only 5 players have 10 or more posts in the entire thread by now, and quite a few have still only made signup and confirmation posts. A lot of the conversation has been on meta issues - what you call "no content" since they don't directly relate to suspicion on people in this particular game. Even aside from whether there's content worth commenting on, there simply isn't that much content to comment on, period.

I listed potential content. You acknowledge that it is content, you just handwave it for reasons. Also I apologize, you're right. You were bombarding the posts with theory, not meta issues. Meta issues can lead to valid discussion, theory is just filler, though admittedly warranted in this case, at least in the first post (especially since I said I didn't want to debate the issue). Call this lying or goalpost shifting if you want, it's a legitimate terminology error i've been making in this game before now, and I apologize for that.

And a lot of players not having a lot of posts is not an excuse to not have any thoughts on the game, I'm sorry. You don't need to have a lot of posts to leave an impression. Even if you do want a lot of posts, as you yourself admit, there are players with a decent post count (and I think 10 is a bit deceptively high.) You have no thoughts on them other than your Nictis spite vote? You think these players have been posting about literally nothing, and therefore you have no way to generate thoughts on them? You don't think they've been engaging in things that might be worthy of comment, when there are five players with over 10 posts? Really?

I'm repeating myself, but you have literally no reads? None? Aside from the read on me which is just LAL which is based on deflection because nowhere in my post did I lie?

You have no case. Your case is largely composed of excuses, and arguments that collapse under scrutiny. You accuse me of lying but nowhere did I lie. In fact, if I had wanted, I could have argued I made a mistake. But I didn't do that. Because I genuinely believe you're deflecting hard right now, and I find my vote all the more justified.
 
To be blunt, I personally think it makes you more likely to be informed scum. We're still in the first third of the day, you just wiped out the ability to use it as a pseudo-confirm for serious pressure while under a measly four votes, and you used it in lieu of trying to first get the lynch off you through pro-town options like analysis.

Yes, because if I didn't present evidence now, the bandwagon would solidify.

As to "the nuclear options", that's summarizing (not quoting PM in violation of rules) our wincon.

But more importantly, it was not in lieu of, but in addition to. Did you honestly not see my analysis against BB? Do you really think, at this time, that I have not posted an analysis?
 
If we're really going to be lynching people based off meta reasons, then I'll point out that this isn't the first time that Winged Cat has disputed SV's "traditional" D1 lynch, and it's also not the first time that veteran plyers group up to argue againat him. Seriously, you can already see Terrabrand and Broken Base pulling out the big guns, working together to post solid walls of arguments. If anything it looks like a scum group trying to lynch someone who's softclaimed as town.

[X] Lynch Broken Base
 
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