Mafio Party
- Thread starter ComiTurtle
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- Mafia
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- mafia
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- Castle Oblivious
Honestly LMBF has solid enough reasoning for me not to vote for them.
I am just going to take a Wait and see attitude With them.
Heyo @Cakestepid it has been a while. Jojo was my first game of mafia on SV and this is my second. Lets see what will happen this time.
I am just going to take a Wait and see attitude With them.
Heyo @Cakestepid it has been a while. Jojo was my first game of mafia on SV and this is my second. Lets see what will happen this time.
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- She/Her
That is a concern but honestly it's a balancing of two concerns at this point and the other one wins out for me. Honestly your willingness to do it goes leaps and bounds for me so even if town thinks it's a bad idea I'm willing to
[x] Null
I think I'll give a general thought or two. Riki's play is much different than last game. It's not necessarily a clear towntell but it's interesting and I'm keeping it in mind.
Honestly right now my main suspicions are kind of due to weirdness rather than scumminess- Lizard Knight for reasons already stated, and I'm a tad confused as to why Cake talked about being willing to give lmbf redemption and then voted for them. But it's not a huge thing.
But I want to wait for more people to chime in before committing to anything lynch-wise.
[x] Null
I think I'll give a general thought or two. Riki's play is much different than last game. It's not necessarily a clear towntell but it's interesting and I'm keeping it in mind.
Honestly right now my main suspicions are kind of due to weirdness rather than scumminess- Lizard Knight for reasons already stated, and I'm a tad confused as to why Cake talked about being willing to give lmbf redemption and then voted for them. But it's not a huge thing.
But I want to wait for more people to chime in before committing to anything lynch-wise.
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Castle Oblivious
I think Cake meant "I am going to vote on them now, but I will change my mind If they give a good argument"
That is how I read it anyway.
Who hasn't spoken yet? We need to have heard Everyone voices to know how to act.
Also
I am PRETTY sure I was this weird last game
But ask @Cakestepid, @Ellf and others Who were in that game If I am acting on the Same level of odd.
Rem
fite me
TBH I don't feel comfortable lynching somebody right off the bat just because they made a few mistakes in previous games out of what appears to be inexperience. I'm not willing to give new players carte blanche or anything, and it's not like going after suboptimal players is wrong strictly speaking, but you can't learn without making a few mistakes.
If he's seasoned and consistently makes bad or trollish moves that's another story entirely of course.
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I'm curious as to whether this is a game where everybody has a unique role, or if we have a bunch of generic Toads or Goombas running around.
If he's seasoned and consistently makes bad or trollish moves that's another story entirely of course.
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I'm curious as to whether this is a game where everybody has a unique role, or if we have a bunch of generic Toads or Goombas running around.
- Location
- Castle Oblivious
I kinda hope everyone has an unique role, but who knows.
Also while Toads are probally generic, the enemy races like Goomba probally have an ability.
However, as it is based off of Mario party where everyone has to be a separate character, I think everyone is a differant character.
There are 19 different players and I think that there are enough Mario characters to fill that 19
If that makes sense
Also while Toads are probally generic, the enemy races like Goomba probally have an ability.
However, as it is based off of Mario party where everyone has to be a separate character, I think everyone is a differant character.
There are 19 different players and I think that there are enough Mario characters to fill that 19
If that makes sense
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It does make sense.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
On the one hand, lynching someone based on previous games can be really rude. But on the other hand, it does fit the flavor of this game with how he was arguably "unsportsmanlike" the last two games. Still, I'd be inclined to give Letmebefree a third chance just to be fair about things.
Speaking of fairness, if I made a day-one post like that, I'd be immediately the number one lynch vote... :/
Speaking of fairness, if I made a day-one post like that, I'd be immediately the number one lynch vote... :/
Archeo Lumiere
The Prince's Archivist
- Location
- Lumiose City, Kalos
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- He/Him/They/Them
Hey, just woke up. Give me some time to combobulate myself before I really do anything.
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- She/Her
Fair enough but I'd prefer if Cake answered himself. ^_^
The cake issue is just like... a really mild thing that bugs me but I'd still rather plays provide their own answers without ones potentially given to them, you know?
I wouldn't if you gave the sort of response Nictis did.
I poked him about it, he poked me back; not incredibly aggressively, but seemingly trying to get feelers out and work through what he saw as an inconsistency on my end. (admittedly he thought it was one by mistake, but.) He didn't get defensive, he didn't really react in a suspicious way at all, and if anything was doing some weak, mild scumhunting. It's a strange vote, but he gave a response that didn't really make it worthy of a wagon imo.
Legend of Ruina
Growing eyes on the inside
Argh, don't have much to weigh in on thus far. Seems a bit late for meme voting, but a bit distracted and mostly posting because I realized I still hadn't yet. Will get post in after a quick nap.
- Location
- Florida
I am... not familiar with LMBF and their previous antics, or anyone here outside of Comiturtle and Cyric, to be frank. And my only experience with games like this is with Town of Salem. That being said, I'll weigh in and participate to the best of my ability.
Honestly, I'm not comfortable lynching anyone on day 1, unless they make an obviously false role claim or make it clear they only intend to troll. In my opinion, there's a reason you don't get the option to lynch day 1 in town of Salem. We have very little to go on, if anything today. That being said, I do agree that getting the ball rolling can be a very good thing for town. I'm not going to fight you guys over seemingly random lynching, especially since most of you actually know other players' tendencies for mischief and fuckery, but I simply want to express that I'm worried about the possibility of a lynch with no evidence from the current game removing a town player. That goes for any vote to lynch so far, not just for LMBF.
Personally, I don't think I will vote to lynch anyone today. Perhaps I'm just too cautious though.
Honestly, I'm not comfortable lynching anyone on day 1, unless they make an obviously false role claim or make it clear they only intend to troll. In my opinion, there's a reason you don't get the option to lynch day 1 in town of Salem. We have very little to go on, if anything today. That being said, I do agree that getting the ball rolling can be a very good thing for town. I'm not going to fight you guys over seemingly random lynching, especially since most of you actually know other players' tendencies for mischief and fuckery, but I simply want to express that I'm worried about the possibility of a lynch with no evidence from the current game removing a town player. That goes for any vote to lynch so far, not just for LMBF.
Personally, I don't think I will vote to lynch anyone today. Perhaps I'm just too cautious though.
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- Florida
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- He/Him
I will say the reason that we all push for a day 1 lynch isn't based on know each other's tendencies and play styles, there's a bit more o it than that.
Can someone else explain why the reasoning behind the D1 lynch? I'd do it but I'm at work right now and its generally a good thing for new players to learn about the reasoning for it.
Can someone else explain why the reasoning behind the D1 lynch? I'd do it but I'm at work right now and its generally a good thing for new players to learn about the reasoning for it.
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I can take a swing at it, though this is how I see it and may not be overall the typical way to frame it. ^_^;
The fact is that a Day 1 lynch provides information. A Day 1 lynch is actually rarely purely random; it's not like a player rolls an RNG and then we en masse lynch the player with the lucky number. We have less information than we do in future days, that's true, but we do have a degree of information from roughly two days of playing, and the lynch is decided based on that, and people making arguments about the ideal choice. And as a result, we can hold players accountable. How good were their arguments, especailly in retrospect? How was their behavior surrounding the lynch? Was it suspicious? How does this chance if the lynchee is town or scum? There is a decent amount of data there to mine and take a look at Day 2, and overall general behavior surrounding the lynch, after the flip, can give us players to focus on.
Now let's say that we no lynch Day 1. The only information that we have to go on is the scum night kill, but trying to speculate based off the scum night kill is a mess. It could be for an endless amount of reasons, and a lot of them aren't particularly alignment indicative. So, in essence, we go into Day 2 with barely more information than we went into Day 1 with.
There's also the fact that lynching Day 1 gives us the chance of hitting a scum or detrimental third party role, something that is absolutely possible. If we no lynch Day 1, that becomes totally impossible.
If anybody wants to toss more in, feel free.
The fact is that a Day 1 lynch provides information. A Day 1 lynch is actually rarely purely random; it's not like a player rolls an RNG and then we en masse lynch the player with the lucky number. We have less information than we do in future days, that's true, but we do have a degree of information from roughly two days of playing, and the lynch is decided based on that, and people making arguments about the ideal choice. And as a result, we can hold players accountable. How good were their arguments, especailly in retrospect? How was their behavior surrounding the lynch? Was it suspicious? How does this chance if the lynchee is town or scum? There is a decent amount of data there to mine and take a look at Day 2, and overall general behavior surrounding the lynch, after the flip, can give us players to focus on.
Now let's say that we no lynch Day 1. The only information that we have to go on is the scum night kill, but trying to speculate based off the scum night kill is a mess. It could be for an endless amount of reasons, and a lot of them aren't particularly alignment indicative. So, in essence, we go into Day 2 with barely more information than we went into Day 1 with.
There's also the fact that lynching Day 1 gives us the chance of hitting a scum or detrimental third party role, something that is absolutely possible. If we no lynch Day 1, that becomes totally impossible.
If anybody wants to toss more in, feel free.
- Location
- Castle Oblivious
So the short answer is
The lynch forces people to debate and show their hand atleast a little and based on that, assumptions can be formed.
From my first game I can Remember the first day being referanced. It tells you how other players act.
You can compare that to What happens in the night.
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So our current discussion has fallen flat. It seems like we have lost momentum. Lets DiScUsS Some more, shall we?
The lynch forces people to debate and show their hand atleast a little and based on that, assumptions can be formed.
From my first game I can Remember the first day being referanced. It tells you how other players act.
You can compare that to What happens in the night.
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So our current discussion has fallen flat. It seems like we have lost momentum. Lets DiScUsS Some more, shall we?
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
I have to agree that if previous unsportsmanlike behavior is the leading factor then my vote will currently stand at
[X] Lynch Letmebefree
Although if he might give some arguably decent defense I could reconsider, but given the group majority I will likely not.
Winged Cat
For Science!
- Location
- Silicon Valley
Further info: a few games back, I pulled a (GM-backed) fakeclaim of Jester designed in part to discredit future games' Jester claims.
It...really kind of has been, though, when it wasn't a policy lynch.
Having played through a few games here, I have not noticed this actually being the case. More often it's a policy lynch, or other lynch that yields little data. Exception: we do get the lynched person's role name and faction, which is sometimes useful, but this seems to have been by accident in each case.
Also note that we tend to let new players live through D1, N1, and usually (but not always) D2 and N2.
I know, right? And so, in the name of fairness:
[X] Lynch Nictis
Winged Cat
For Science!
- Location
- Silicon Valley
That's no typo. What are you signalling there?
Winged Cat
For Science!
- Location
- Silicon Valley
Note: my prior two posts are not in conflict. The information harvested D1 has more often been unforced errors, than generated by lynch pressure.
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I mean I don't want to get in a meta debate because I think it'll clutter the thread, but I'll "briefly" touch on these points.
Like... you don't give examples or actual data, which is fine I guess, but it kind of makes it hard to have a cogent response? Part of the issue is that each game is going to be its own variable. They all operate under very different circumstances- different playerbases, different set ups, different alignments for said players, etc. So really any independent examples aren't going to prove much because they're independent cases. You would probably need to take a sample of around 7-10 games, demonstrate that it was either a policy lynch or a lynch that yields "little data" (not convinced those two things are exclusive but) Though I'm not even sure how we're judging "little data". It produces literally no new analysis, and people have the exact same suspects as they did D1? The lynch for D2 is somehow not impacted? There are new suspects, but they are completely unrelated to D1? Like what are we talking about here? The analysis can't even really occur because you haven't properly defined terms.
Also apparently we do get data, only its by "unforced errors". So you're kinda moving the goalposts here because the above says absolutely nothing about lynches via pressure. And that is something that would be even harder to do an overall analysis of, and determine whether or not a lynch was "by pressure" or an "unforced error" (also an undefined term).
Also I'm not really sure how new players getting a little boost is relevant at all unless you assume newbie maf team.
I mean a weird random vote really isn't worthy of an insta-wagon anyway so
I mean pressure, sure, questioning, absolutely, not really an insta-wagon.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
DiScUsS
Hmm....4 capitol letters, 3 lower case...
DSUS
ics
Maybe its a #4 or #3 signal?
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Okay I woke up and read the discussion and I think I'm going to keep my vote to pressure Free a bit more though I might end up switching later.
@Lizard Knight yeah my reasoning was partly a joke because yeah lynching town is always bad but voting someone cause they've been a wild card is (at least to me) better reasoning then randomly voting someone else.
@Lizard Knight yeah my reasoning was partly a joke because yeah lynching town is always bad but voting someone cause they've been a wild card is (at least to me) better reasoning then randomly voting someone else.
- Location
- Castle Oblivious
It tickles me that people think I am leaving a clever message.
You are giving me way to much credit here.
Fair point.
I have No reason to join any current bandwagon...
However I do think it is wise to keep Some pressure up Instead of going non vote...
But I know no one to vote for So Eh
[X] Null NotteBoy97