Mafio Party

(I should be asleep)
Its Mario party, not kart
There is not really lore
There is Mario 'Lore'
Which is Also very limited

Terrabrand IS kinda suspect to me on Some level. However, I am in need of bed So in No state to put my reasoning to words.
 
@Rikimaru
One public clarification: Game is based off of Mario Party not Mario Kart. Inherently they're really not all that different in all honesty, same world's characters and what not.

Party is video game board game to get the most stars with mini-games in-between rounds. While Kart is a racing game to get trophies with power-ups to change the dynamics a bit, honestly flavor likely would be nearly interchangeable with minor differences.
 
I also feel that Rikimaru has been acting a bit off this game, over the course of my observations.

[X] Lynch Rikimaru
I am a Bit off you could say?
Yeah riki is being a bit unusual and I would like a role claim from them but I understand if they don't want to or we get a better target.
Not gonna claim. Wouldn't help town. Better target has already faced a lynch train but nobody gives a toss about it even though logically winged cat needs to be punished for softclaiming pointlessly and distracting everyone via old meta stuff.
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something I have found a bit weird is that Broken base attacked WC, then ended up moving on despite the reasons for going after WC haven't changed. I personally want to see if everyone's initial hunch was correct, and I also have a feeling that maybe WC is scum and Broken or Terra are scum doing their bit to burn out lynch train asap to make it so they have excuses to ignore WC later.

Lynch WC and if he turns up as scum then town power roles, if they are plentiful, can hit BB and Terra and make sure two strong players are vetted.

I do admit, BB that my participation hasn't been super thorough, trying to get into the swing of things with this a bit bigger post which hopefully helps me. Every game takes a bit to get into the whole new flavour/world.
 
@Rikimaru
One public clarification: Game is based off of Mario Party not Mario Kart. Inherently they're really not all that different in all honesty, same world's characters and what not.

Party is video game board game to get the most stars with mini-games in-between rounds. While Kart is a racing game to get trophies with power-ups to change the dynamics a bit, honestly flavor likely would be nearly interchangeable with minor differences.
I think the biggest differance With Kart, is that kart recently Added characters from animal crossing aswel as Link from LoZ.
In other words, Mario is a bit more loose With being Mario themes while party is mostly only Mario characters.
And Donkey King but He is kinda both a Mario character and The star of his own series
 
Reading over what everyone's been posting, I think I've decided how I'm gonna vote. We don't have much to go on unfortunately, but I'm looking mostly at Rikimaru and Winged Cat right now.

With Winged Cat, I agree most of the votes for them are likely more motivated by being pissed off that they revealed something that could be useful for town to keep hidden on day 1. While that was definitely not the best move, I'm not convinced that it's a solid indication that they'd be scum. Of course it's possible, but I'm simply saying it's not crystal clear to me at this point.

Rikimaru on the other hand, I agree has been acting kinda sketchy. There have been plenty of quotations cited and analysis of their behavior so far, so I won't clutter the thread up by adding any sub-par analysis of my own. They just appear more suspicious than Winged Cat overall right now, IMO

[X] Lynch Rikimaru
 
Nnnngh
After this I am going to dissapear
But common character for Mario party are
(Decided to put more effort in it Then needed)
Mario - Obviously, Everyone knows him
Luigi - Mario's bro
Wario - Oppisite Mario
Waluigi - The Spin-off prince, Oppisite Luigi
Princess Peach - The Damsel and diplomat
Princess Daisy - Appeared in one main game and spin offs only ever since
Bowser - Best boi, Dragon turtle villain
Bowser Jr. - Bowsers True Son. Bowser has 7 adopted kids tho.
Donkey Kong - Ape
Toad - Fungal inhabitant of the muschroom kingdom
Toadette - Toad but girl
Yoshi - Dinosaur friend
Birdo - Female dinosaur Which I haven't seem in a while

The characters above are the most common, I believe
However there are often a few Bowser minions playable.

Goomba - Muschroom With legs
Koopa - Turtle
Boo - Round shy ghost trickster
Dry bones - Skeleton of Koopa
Spike - Green creature that barfs spiked objects
Blooper - Squid shaped like an arrow
Hammer bros - Armored Koopa With hammers

Bowser has more minions and more iconic ones, but These are the ones that show up as playable characters more often Then not, I think
Dry bones and Boo are rather common I think.

I am kinda hoping dry Bowser Because more Bowser is fine by me
 
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something I have found a bit weird is that Broken base attacked WC, then ended up moving on despite the reasons for going after WC haven't changed. I personally want to see if everyone's initial hunch was correct, and I also have a feeling that maybe WC is scum and Broken or Terra are scum doing their bit to burn out lynch train asap to make it so they have excuses to ignore WC later.

I'm not going to comment on Terra, I'd need to look closer at his play. But let me walk through it in my case:

Let's say we're both scum. It seems a bit strange to push a lynch wagon on a buddy day one but I'd TOTALLY DO IT so you got me there. However, one thing I definitely wouldn't do is aggressively spearhead a lynch. That is counterproductive because, well, I don't want to see a scumbuddy lynched on Day 1. So that would be weird play on my part. However maybe things just spiraled out of control. The opposite of a good thing to do would be to unvote, actually. Because pressure is already on me, and pressure could easily come on me from other people if I suddenly backed off on the lynch. Now, that didn't happen, but I'm not sure how Scum!Me could predict that; at best I'd be crossing my fingers and toes. And if either of us is then lynched, it solidly points a finger at the other, as you are kinda showing ^_^;. Like it's a weird behavior that doesn't really fit that well. At the very least, the logical thing to do would be to wait for Winged Cat to get to a claim, and then push off him then. That'd look natural.

I mean the main options I see are that I simply completely botched the situation and panicked (possible), or that I'm just bad at this game. (VERY POSSIBLE).

Now let's say that I'm scum and Winged Cat is town.

My early behavior makes sense, but jumping off when all the momentum is on a claim, at the very least, doesn't. At a bare minimum, I'd want to get a claim out of the deal, and then back off and look like I believe the townie.

The best options I can think of here are strange behavior to link myself with a townie (which would be weird when i'm in pretty decent standing), me not thinking things through, bad advice from scumbuddies that I follow for some reason, or me thinking that I don't want WC to claim (but why on Earth that would be, I can't tell you).

Overall I'd say that my behavior fits neither of these scenarios well, and best fits the scenario where I'm town, Winged Cat is unknown, but I genuinely believe that Winged Cat isn't scum and back off. YMMV, of course.
 
This isn't as in depth as I'd like (or really that in depth at all, actually), but with the amount of free time I've had this is the best I can do day 1, unfortunately.

[X] Lynch Rikimaru

I don't actually, think Winged Cat is scum. I think they're probably town; from a Bayesian approach to statistics, we should consider the chance of any given player being scum as low from the start. Of course, we then modify these priors with information gathered, but on the first day it's very unlikely that we get enough information to know someone is scum. What we do know, however, is relative probabilities and strategy.

I think both Winged Cat and Rikimaru are more likely to be scum than the background; I think picking one of the two is thus better than picking randomly, and due to the arguments of other players and their actions today I think Rikimaru is the more likely of the pair, although not by a large margin. Since it's almost always in Town's best interest to lynch day 1, I'll be leaving my vote on Rikimaru unless more evidence surfaces to change my mind one way or the other, but I don't really expect much because time is running down and it's rare to have much evidence show up day 1 in any case; it's mostly good for players looking back on, say, day 2 or 3 and seeing how people acted then vs how they act now.
 
I think the biggest differance With Kart, is that kart recently Added characters from animal crossing aswel as Link from LoZ.
In other words, Mario is a bit more loose With being Mario themes while party is mostly only Mario characters.
And Donkey King but He is kinda both a Mario character and The star of his own series
Also Kart theoretically ends and is focused. Instead of taking literal ages to go anywhere and distracting you with endless mini games. But that's more side stuff.
 
Well, I think I am genuinely not scum so would prefer a Winged Cat lynch ;)
Reading over what everyone's been posting, I think I've decided how I'm gonna vote. We don't have much to go on unfortunately, but I'm looking mostly at Rikimaru and Winged Cat right now.

With Winged Cat, I agree most of the votes for them are likely more motivated by being pissed off that they revealed something that could be useful for town to keep hidden on day 1. While that was definitely not the best move, I'm not convinced that it's a solid indication that they'd be scum. Of course it's possible, but I'm simply saying it's not crystal clear to me at this point.

Rikimaru on the other hand, I agree has been acting kinda sketchy. There have been plenty of quotations cited and analysis of their behavior so far, so I won't clutter the thread up by adding any sub-par analysis of my own. They just appear more suspicious than Winged Cat overall right now, IMO

[X] Lynch Rikimaru
I don't think I have been particularly sketchy, if I have been then blame my developer! All I have are programming puns, don't take them away from me!

I don't have any new arguments for not lynching me, but how about this: people leave their votes on me and scum hunt other people, and if others seem worse then they change, otherwise feel free to lynch me, since someone has to die and I am basically a veteran player with like 5 or 6 games between SV and SB so me not being able to convince others to not lynch me D1 sort of indicates I am not going to be the most potent town player this game, so maybe it could be best? but I know I am town, so obviously literally any other lynch is better on a technical level until more information comes out...

Make of it what you will.

Umm JBJ and Qtesseract have been hit by scrapcode! duplicating! One must be scum /s!
 
Oh weird, well I guess those duplicates were either deleted or from my end, weird.
 
I have a fricking broken toe again (i think), have almost no understanding of mario kart besides it's a driving racing game and some italian plumber rides a car and hates mushrooms. My thoughts and theories are based off basically fishing for actual explanations and reasons of what is even suspicious.

Again, this isn't Mario Kart. Mario Kart is an unrelated subfranchise of Mario. I mean, unrelated beyond being a subfranchise of Mario.

. (Though in my defense pre-this game I've literally never been town here so town me is just a jerk I guess. xP)

You were town last game, though. I mean, you got culted, but you "were* town.

I think this part could use elaboration, because I'm not quite following it.

It's possible he just isn't familiar enough with the setting stuff to make accurate distinctions, but Riki has repeatedly (even after I tried pointing it out in the form of a joke) asserted that, essentially, we are playing Mario Kart, when we are in a Mario Party themed game.

This strikes me as the kind of mistake more likely from scum, for all that I can't articulate precisely why.

(I should be asleep)
Its Mario party, not kart
There is not really lore
There is Mario 'Lore'
Which is Also very limited

Terrabrand IS kinda suspect to me on Some level. However, I am in need of bed So in No state to put my reasoning to words.



Not gonna claim. Wouldn't help town. Better target has already faced a lynch train but nobody gives a toss about it even though logically winged cat needs to be punished for softclaiming pointlessly and distracting everyone via old meta

This is anti-town bullshit. We can and should Lynch Winged Cat if we believe him scum, but 'punishing' him for poor play while believing he is town is cutting our own throats. As it happens I still see there as being a chance he is scum, but I find you far more scummy.

Broken Base flat out gave you the chance to get her vote off you by ponting to a new target. Instead of doing the slightest modicum of scumhunting, you ignored that. Now you refuse to actually defend yourself, either by pointing out a *new* scummy or at otherwise good option nor by roleclaiming (and I raise my eyebrows quite high at the assertion you roleclaiming would hurt town more than your lynch).

Your 'logical' course of action is anything but and instead of doing novel scumhunting you are whining about us not swinging back to the first large wagon for raisins. I'm distinctly unimpressed and unconvinced.

Lynch WC and if he turns up as scum then town power roles, if they are plentiful, can hit BB and Terra and make sure two strong players are vetted.

A: Why the fuck are you asserting Broken Base is a strong player? You're significantly more veteran than her and she lost both games she's been in thus far. Maybe she is, but she's not a player I'd pick as obviously strong from the games thus far. Not specifically terrible, but this reads like you flailing and trying to play up the threat of probable town players to try to get investigatives to waste multiple night actions apiece and/or do early reveals to confirm our alignment so you can pick them off.

B: Oh look more Rikimaru trying to dictate how the Town Power Roles should play. No, fuck off. If we have investigatives they should take their own discretion, not follow plans that line up with one or the scummiest players vision because that player said so. Fuck, now I'm thinking scum might have one of those massacre kills that you are trying to convince people to walk into.

Well, I think I am genuinely not scum so would prefer a Winged Cat lynch ;)

I don't think I have been particularly sketchy, if I have been then blame my developer! All I have are programming puns, don't take them away from me!

I don't have any new arguments for not lynching me, but how about this: people leave their votes on me and scum hunt other people, and if others seem worse then they change, otherwise feel free to lynch me, since someone has to die and I am basically a veteran player with like 5 or 6 games between SV and SB so me not being able to convince others to not lynch me D1 sort of indicates I am not going to be the most potent town player this game, so maybe it could be best? but I know I am town, so obviously literally any other lynch is better on a technical level until more information comes out...

Make of it what you will.

Umm JBJ and Qtesseract have been hit by scrapcode! duplicating! One must be scum /s!
I'd policy lynch you for this if I wasn't already on you. Defend yourself, quit demeanding other players do it for you, you brat. And stop with the random distraction BS. If you are Town, this kind of dumb flailing and making yourself the center of attention while doing no analysis and offering no defense is just hurting out chances.

I think you know that given your response back in Under the Eyes of the White Raven when caught as scum. This play is entirely too similar to that.
 
(I should be asleep)
Its Mario party, not kart
There is not really lore
There is Mario 'Lore'
Which is Also very limited

Terrabrand IS kinda suspect to me on Some level. However, I am in need of bed So in No state to put my reasoning to words.
Whoops quoted this then forgot to actually respond. I'm curious as to why you find me suspect, given I keep getting that as a response even as Town.
 
Damn it, I made illogical statements as town again, sorry for making myself appear more scummy, I accept that there are reasons to lynch me because I haven't been doing particularly good arguing. Okay, let's not lynch the cat, but as for other targets, as usual I don't have a different person to really focus on.

[X] Null Winged Cat
 
Whoops quoted this then forgot to actually respond. I'm curious as to why you find me suspect, given I keep getting that as a response even as Town.
To Tired to form a proper answer, am currently not sleeping while I should.

Butt...
My sleepy mind tells me it is mostly an unconcious thing, Some part about how you make your Posts are a little suspicious. Not enough to act on however.
Goodnight
 
The problem has always been with people not trying to find scum, and making it harder for everyone else who is while doing so. Votes are an easy way for people to see your current stances, and to highlight your suspicions.

Which is fine once we have stances and suspicions. The problem is when you press before that happens, insisting that they exist when in truth they do not. You refuse to believe it, so you keep pressing for information that simply is not there, getting angry and frustrated when whoever you are asking refuses to lie about that.

Would you not agree that this sequence of events happened in this game?
* The wagon against me started because BB was basically asking me for my suspicions.
* I said I had seen nothing yet worth even extended analysis (as would later be demonstrated), other than perhaps BB if I really had to come up with one.
* BB found that unbelievable.
* Other people jumped on agreeing that my lack of suspicions itself seemed suspicious (or at least not helpful to town - and thus could be called "anti-Town play").
* I then (after having more votes than just BB's) looked for more evidence (to wit, town's name & color) since the truth was not being believed.

(Until BB backed down, the amount of disbelief suggested to me that even an analysis of the non-analysis would not be believed. Once BB did back down and break things down, then said analysis became believable, so I supplied it.)

This started less than a third of the way through D1. There was simply not enough said yet for me to be suspicious of anyone, and I was getting pressured because of that. This is what I object to. Even into D2, I have sometimes not yet found things suspect for any given player. You accuse me of not trying to help town because of this, when it is actually just the truth.

You insist on something that is not so. You repeatedly insist this across several games, and it keeps not being so. That is what leads to frustration, on my part and yours. When I tell you that I don't yet find anyone suspicious, it means that I don't yet find anyone suspicious, not that I am refusing to engage with the game - so pressuring me to get me to engage with the game (which I already am) is fruitless.

As I have been saying, D1 lynches more often wind up being policy. It would be more helpful to start off pressing the people who aren't posting at all, or at least aren't posting much. Somewhere during D1 or D2, people will inevitably start posting enough stuff to analyze - and if they don't post much, that itself can be worth posting. Even just a post saying, "I don't find anyone suspicious yet," is still a post - and you're still asking for suspicions if they have any.

Just, don't be so quick to disbelieve if someone doesn't yet have suspicions, especially in the early game, because they may actually be telling the truth. Otherwise, you wind up trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

I get that you want to prod people to start analyzing and gathering information. That is a worthy goal. Pressuring and lynching for conclusions when people have not yet reached conclusions is not a productive way to go about this. Leading by example then prodding others to follow your example would, I suspect, work better.

Put another way: the stated purpose is to gather information during D1, right? When I give information that you refuse to believe - I recall calling this "heresies" in a prior game for this reason - then your information gathering comes to a halt, you get angry and frustrated...and ultimately, the information you were trying to gather (my suspicions) is still not gathered any further (because there were none in the first place). Does this make sense?

An analogy can be made to why IRL intelligence agencies tend to officially ban torture: because it usually doesn't actually work. If you're interrogating someone who doesn't have the information you seek, you keep at it and keep at it until the victim lies, and then you have bad intel that you trust. If you're interrogating someone who does have the info, they may know about this and try to come up with a hard-to-disprove lie. There are more reliable ways to get good intel.

I suggest that, especially in the early game, you stop insisting that "I don't find anyone suspicious at this time" is a scumtell, or playing in a way unhelpful to Town, because it's not. (Even if a suspicion would be of more use to Town, if someone really doesn't find anyone suspicious yet, lying about it causes more harm to Town than good.)

I suspect a better approach would be to post analyses and then ask other players - especially new players - to post the same kind of thing with their own thoughts and words. Call out those who have not posted much. If they don't respond at all - not "minimally" but "at all" - then lynch for inactivity. By the end of D1 there will either be an actual scumtell or at least a clear policy lynch target. At least, there has been in each game I have been in here so far. I believe this approach would yield more D1 information on average.


Thank you. Again, even aside from myself, I believe this will be of use to other players in the future.

Now, all that said, Q has posted as requested and I agree that something seems up with Riki, so:

[X] Lynch Rikimaru
 
Damn it, I made illogical statements as town again, sorry for making myself appear more scummy, I accept that there are reasons to lynch me because I haven't been doing particularly good arguing. Okay, let's not lynch the cat, but as for other targets, as usual I don't have a different person to really focus on.

[X] Null Winged Cat
I mean, I think Winged Cat is still one of the more likely Candidates for being scum. I assume you know whether you are scum or not. If you're town, taking your vote off the (now most likely, since you know you are town) vote makes little sense without a competing bandwagon, while if you were mafia it also makes little sense? I'm not sure what this signals, actually, but I'd like to highlight to others just how weird this is.
 
Because Winged Cat pulls this every time and I don't like how he seemed to be trying to pin in who the scum has to be

Eh? I said I found BB sus at first. But my main point was that I had not yet formed strong suspicions, which y'all refused to believe.

...to be clear, you do believe it now that I posted that analysis of my non-analysis, right?

Anyway. Repeating my invitation for any factioncops to check me out tonight and confirm what I am.
 
I'm not sure what this signals, actually, but I'd like to highlight to others just how weird this is.

My hunch - and this is just a hunch - is that Riki thought people might be on his case for still trying to get me lynched when they figured me clear (at least for now). If that was his reason, he might be correct: BB explicitly asked Riki for any non-WC targets, recall. But we are now in the last 12 hours, and...well, let me pull the current tally.
 
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