La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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I have some worries about this whole Egypt thing, mainly how our little excursion is gonna be portrayed. I sure as hell hope the writers are sensitive enough to not make this seem like some sort of imperialistic white man's burden thing.
 
Edit: BTW, there is a slight problem with the Academy issue (beside that fact that it does nothing to protect the Children and that there is nothing for Charlotte to learn and no place for her to live; it was strictly for low nobility boys). The propose Brienne military school no longer exist. It was disbanded - and the building demolished - in 1790, before the PoD. I assume the vote is for another military school, but I don't know any operating at this time OTL (Polytechnique and St Cyr were created later, La Fleche was closed in 1793, Ecole militaire closed in 1787 and the buildings looted during the revolution...); also, IIRC, the teachers were usually nobles -or clergy in some cases-, so there might be a problem there also.
I know exactly what I said.

There is an academy there... just might not be the one you may think it is.
Can we bring Suchet?
... Looks at the list of officers you can take...

Maybe.
Or alternatively march on Paris?
Why the hell would you want to march on paris? To coup the government again?
Wait. What if we use the invasion to hit Naples/Sicily instead and dally around with the excuse of setting up a jumping point towards Egypt?
I mean... you can totally do that. Hell you can even straight up abandon that objective for different ones.

It just might get you into some deep shit.
I have some worries about this whole Egypt thing, mainly how our little excursion is gonna be portrayed. I sure as hell hope the writers are sensitive enough to not make this seem like some sort of imperialistic white man's burden thing.
We have understood that. But we also know that it is going to be a foreign land were talking in Therese' eyes.

That we need to rely on the natives for supplies will make it pretty hard for the white man's burden narrative, because we need supplies, and trying to do anything like that will be stupid... well outside of what is nessicery to secure our objective.

Her officers are also not going to have the wisdom to... well have biases.

Biases that you need to control.
 
By the point that White Man's Burden becomes a thing we'd already be an old person by then and even so the European would not only not really give a shit about White Man's Burden but would view it as a good thing. Like fucking Britain is the last country that can throw stones regarding that.
 
By the point that White Man's Burden becomes a thing we'd already be an old person by then and even so the European would not only not really give a shit about White Man's Burden but would view it as a good thing. Like fucking Britain is the last country that can throw stones regarding that.
I'm pretty sure the comment was made more about the quest itself and its tone, rather than Therese having views that are about 2 centuries in the future for the mainstream of her time.
 
My worry is more out of universe than anything. I'd be really worried about us bringing "civilization" to a bunch of apparently savage and backward natives. It'd be real distasteful, and this type of thing should be approached with caution.
 
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My worry is more out of universe than anything. I'd be really worried about us bringing "civilization" to a bunch of apparently savage and backwords natives. It'd be real distasteful, and this type of thing should be approached with caution.
I don't think there's much risk of that, considering thus far both the IC perspective and that of the questers is "this is a terrible idea, we shouldn't be going here at all".
 
My worry is more out of universe than anything. I'd be really worried about us bringing "civilization" to a bunch of apparently savage and backwords natives. It'd be real distasteful, and this type of thing should be approached with caution.
Except that we're not trying to "civilize" a nation. We are trying to expand the influence of France, through military means.

We're just the unfortunate schmuck they chose to lead this campaign.
I don't think there's much risk of that, considering thus far both the IC perspective and that of the questers is "this is a terrible idea, we shouldn't be going here at all".
Therese thinks this entire plan is a bad idea. But now she's the captain of this sinking ship, and she must make due.

or hopefully come up with an even better idea on the fly. Cause there is no way she can take the Rock of Gibraltar right now... not unless she starts negotiating with Spain illegally.
 
Empire must expand. Of course we can set it up via satellite states and monopoly on trade agreements, far better alternative than colonialism.

Though by that time we will probably die and our most long term plan will be to sort out and consolidate French dominated Europe if we are successful.
 
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Except that we're not trying to "civilize" a nation. We are trying to expand the influence of France, through military means.
You think the Brits were in India to civilize them and not to expand their influence? You think the Americans stealing the lands off the natives weren't for theirs either? Bringing "civilization" and expanding your country's influence at the expense of another's has always gone hand in hand, one is always gonna be used to justify the other.
 
You think the Brits were in India to civilize them and not to expand their influence? You think the Americans stealing the lands off the natives weren't for theirs either? Bringing "civilization" and expanding your country's influence at the expense of another's has always gone hand in hand, one is always gonna be used to justify the other.
Yes, that is probably going to happen or at least be mentioned by someone, given the time period. But again, I wouldn't expect Therese's or the questers opinions to be supportive of the matter, given what the response was to "you're going to Egypt". So I don't know that this needs to be such a great concern.
 
Yes, that is probably going to happen or at least be mentioned by someone, given the time period. But again, I wouldn't expect Therese's or the questers opinions to be supportive of the matter, given what the response was to "you're going to Egypt". So I don't know that this needs to be such a great concern.

Biggest problem with lack of support for Egypt is that many view it as senseless adventurism in the face of more immediate problems.

But you'll easily find out that support for exporting revolution , setting up "sister Republics " , or plainly setting up proto EU with France at it's helm doesn't lack support.

As said in text above there will always be excuses to expand ones influence.
 
As said in text above there will always be excuses to expand ones influence.
And sometimes it might even be justified. :V

Look at Britains's treatment towards Ireland... among other things

I member reading bout Cromwell's campaigns there. Practically attempted genocide.

And India is a whole different can of worms. Even worse in some cases.

Edit: You may have noticed I have left out France's crimes against the world for empire and profit.

That was intentional.
 
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I'd think that being stuck in Egypt would be a possible low point in Therese's life. Being stuck in some country she can't even speak the language with customs that are real different to her, an ocean away from home after being sent there against her will, it'd be good for some dark angst if we're lucky.
 
I'd think that being stuck in Egypt would be a possible low point in Therese's life. Being stuck in some country she can't even speak the language with customs that are real different to her, an ocean away from home after being sent there against her will, it'd be good for some dark angst if we're lucky.
Don't forget possibly being destroyed by the amount of sexism that may occur.

The only reason she escaped it in France was because of rank, her reputation, and the fact she earned her men's trust.

She will have none of that in Egypt.
 
I'd think that being stuck in Egypt would be a possible low point in Therese's life. Being stuck in some country she can't even speak the language with customs that are real different to her, an ocean away from home after being sent there against her will, it'd be good for some dark angst if we're lucky.
Being away from her only wards is probably not good either, especially since she is the main form of protection they have. In any case, we don't speak the language or know the customs either, so we could learn together. We should frame it as a trip for them, maybe arrange for a tutor to go with us, and find someone to teach Turkish and Arabic to them. All options have some negative involved I think, but by having them near we could actively do damage control if needed. I think it would be one worry out of her mind at the very least.
 
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Don't forget possibly being destroyed by the amount of sexism that may occur.

The only reason she escaped it in France was because of rank, her reputation, and the fact she earned her men's trust.

She will have none of that in Egypt.
She can just pick one of her subordinates to be her official proxy for all local interactions. Even the locals would prefer that since they'd no doubt be every bit as uncomfortable having to see her face as she would be having listen to what they say.
 
I have my worries that this quest would seem kinda chauvinistic if every other country is sexist as hell towards Therese but France is magically okay with her doing anything. I mean, sexism is basically never addressed in this quest and to have it come full force with countries that aren't France would seem like a double standard.
 
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I have my worries that this quest would seem kinda chauvinistic if every other country is sexist as hell towards Therese but France is magically okay with her doing anything. I mean, sexism is basically never addressed in this quest and to have it come full force with countries that aren't France would seem like a double standard.
My read is that republican France is fighting for its life, and while this doesn't make it less sexist it does make it less willing to shit all over its military heroes. You don't openly insult someone you might need later.
 
I mean, sexism is basically never addressed in this quest.
I'm pretty sure it was directly encountered when we went to that officer's club with Napoleon. And there is a general understanding that Therese has evaded the effects of sexism due to constantly succeeding at her job, which she technically took up illegally and again, evaded the usual consequences because her gambits have thus far succeeded.
 
My read is that republican France is fighting for its life, and while this doesn't make it less sexist it does make it less willing to shit all over its military heroes. You don't openly insult someone you might need later.
Not really the case most times. If the person is acting disrespectful to authority, the authorities during Revolutionary France's time didn't really mind tossing them in a prison cell or having them sent to the guillotine. Hoche got sent to a prison cell despite playing a large hand in clearing Alsace of Austrians. If they didn't like you, they was always willing to find someone else, France wasn't exactly short of competent people.


I'm pretty sure it was directly encountered when we went to that officer's club with Napoleon. And there is a general understanding that Therese has evaded the effects of sexism due to constantly succeeding at her job, which she technically took up illegally and again, evaded the usual consequences because her gambits have thus far succeeded.
Seemed like diet, barely harmful sexism to me. It was just one instance, and was barely treated like anything at all. Besides, I do question how the Jacobin club there was portrayed as the historical one wasn't some fancy ball room with everyone dressed like an aristocrat, it was a church they rented out that spent most of its time debating the issues of the day, while also trying to seem more like men of the people, dressing up like the sans-culottes.
 
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Yeah, we're even relying on sexism, at least a little bit, to escape more severe political consequences from fostering the children: "She's a woman, of course her inherent caring and maternal disposition insists on caring for those children, regardless of the political reality. I suppose we can humor her."

I have my worries that this quest would seem kinda chauvinistic if every other country is sexist as hell towards Therese but France is magically okay with her doing anything.

Still, this is something the QMs need to be very careful about.
 
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