La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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Frankly, the best we can hope for in the medium term is forcing the British to waste men and gold on yet another front. Winning over the local peoples in Egypt and Syria is going to be extremely difficult, and very heavy on other people doing very fine diplomacy. We're not going to come out on top by military might. But by guile and cunning.
Not that difficult, we need to remember that the ottoman (who rule through the mameluke) are foreign rulers, if we don't involve ourselves in religious controversy and don't try to set up any tax on the locals we should have a good headstart on the Ottoman.

The brit doesn't have any forward base in the area except Nicosia if they lose it they can't contest french presence in the area, if we don't overextend and stop any kind of plague we have a good shot at Egypte.
 
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Well, I suppose we're finally getting that beach episode. Hopefully the navy doesn't get Royally fucked, otherwise we're gonna be trekking around in Egypt and the Levant trying to play Hearts and Minds for a while.

God this is gonna be a shitshow. Who knows, maybe the Divine Winds will bless us with Ottoman rolls so shit, they flip sides and join us against the Brits. Or at least get couped enough that they peace out and we secure Sister Republics that can hold their own long enough for us to get back to France. Plus starting the French Egyptian fad is always a nice tick on the 'making history' mark.
 
First we need to crush the Mameluks/Ottomans in Egypt (and Mameluks are still superb light cavalry; we're going to need extremely well trained troops in cavalry (so as not to be surprised), infantry (to hold squares against more numerous cavalry attack) and artillery (to destroy the attacking cavalry rather than allow them to retreat and reform).
Then we're going to need Local support, both for logistics (after the RN cuts our line of support; you know it will happen, sooner or later) and for troops. SO establishing a friendly local regime; preferably republican. Edit: One thing above all. Do NOT get involved in religious disputes and no NOT attack the local clergy; in fact try to get them to be neutral at least.
This whole 'make a friendly local government' is the same sort of mistake western empires have been making for over two hundred years and took The Cold War to force a hint of innovation. There is no win in making a collaborationist puppet. It's just pissing away men and money faster than running it yourself. The moment we leave Egypt, and we will in a very short time, the so-called Republic will collapse like wet cardboard. And I'm not even getting into the whole 'woman military leader' aspect.

Step one to making friends among an occupied people is not being Paul Bremer or Donald Rumsfeld.
Not that difficult, we need to remember that the ottoman (who rule through the mameluke) are foreign rulers, if we don't involve ourselves in religious controversy and don't try to set up any tax on the locals we should have a good headstart on the Ottoman.
Well, pumping trade into the local economy is always a good way to start a friendship.
 
From my perspective if we are to win this we must view the bigger picture of our actions and see how to use that to achieve our objective , basically we need to leave our reservations aside and be practical, the best way to secure our way to India and our interests in Egypt would be to coordinate with Nappys achievements in Europe and try to entice Ottomans to ally with us, we basically have same enemies and can project power to them on the Balkans while not having to worry about the British.
 
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I mean its kinda hard to get the Ottoman's to ally with us when we're literally invading their subject

Gunboat diplomacy , we just need to be respectful about it, ask for some concession that secure our interests (maybe some ports , safe flow of supplies for our armies, allowing access to our scientists, etc), give back any British concession to the Ottomans and respect their authority over Egypt . We have much freedom regarding our objectives and how to achieve them really, we dont need to occupy Egypt and set up independent state to achieve them.

Edit: Leaving from this with trade agreement and alliance is victory in itself (bonus if we cause trouble in India, but that isnt really realistic objective here ) not to mention we can still sponsor archeological discoveries while we are there. All in all this can be nice vacation of sort.
 
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This whole 'make a friendly local government' is the same sort of mistake western empires have been making for over two hundred years and took The Cold War to force a hint of innovation.

You know that for most of history, that approch usually worked, and not just for western empires. Especially when kicking out foreign rulers and not being worse than them. We are not yet at 1848 level of nationalism, let alone 1948.
 
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Official Unofficial Staff Meeting

Severin, Infantry Captain of the Army of the Rhine, its notorious drillmaster, sat with fellow staff officers de Lisle and Chamans in the latter's tent. An invitation had been extended to Murat, but the man was so enamored with his horses and training his cavalrymen, he had declined. This get-together was something of an unofficial meeting for the overworked staff officers of the Army of the Rhine, and perhaps Chamans would have to be a bit more insistent with Murat next time.

Severin took a long pull of the ale he was nursing. Frenchman he may be, but good wine was too expensive, and he preferred good German beer to cheap French wine, especially so close to the frontier. It also served to keep de Lisle to getting soused too quickly, lest he regain the desire to sing. Severin shuddered; he feared no man, but de Lisle's singling voice was an entirely different matter.

As Chamans finished pouring his wineglass, he spoke up:
"Well, gentlemen- and Severin- shall be begin?"

"By all means, Chamans, does that joke of yours even get old?"

"Now, now Severin, you yourself acknowledge you are no gentleman. And Chamans, why am I drinking this German swill when you are having proper French wine?"

"My friend, you know exactly why. Even la Generale set an edict restricting you alcohol intake. We would want a repeat of the last... occurrence, would we?"

"Meaning you got drunk off your arse and started that screeching you do instead of singing. Do you have a clod of dirt in your throat, Claude?"

"Diplomacy, thy name is Severin." A frustrated sigh from Chamans, "at least you didn't open your mouth while the Prussian envoy was here."

"Hah! That hoity-toity ponce? He probably spoke more polite French than I do! And- oh come off it de Lisle, you write good songs, great even, you just can't sing worth a damn."

"Ahem, back to the matters at hand?"

"Fine, yes, the supply situation is good, we no longer subsist solely on onions-"

"Praise the Lord!"

"- shut up Severin- and in terms of uniforms, powder and shot, we are trending positive, even with wear and expenditure from extensive training. As for our absent equestrian friend-"

"You mean the horse fu-"

"Severin! Continue, Claude."

"While I am sure of the fine details, Murat has managed to arrange for appropriate fodder and horses for his cavalry."

"Thank you Claude. Severin, must I wash your mouth out with soap? How you keep your uniform impeccable after all those hours rolling around in the mud with your soldats, I have no clue."

"Well, Chamans, I've gotten the original lads rather well-drilled, if I do say so myself. Not too shabby for frontier militia and reservists. I'd be more than confident putting our lads up against any equal number of regulars and coming out on top. As for the men from the levee en mass, if be willing to letting them do any of the jobs required of soldiering. There's still room for improvement, but that will take time and more training. And you Chamans? How is the artillery coming?"

Slowly. Officially, most of the army's requisition budget went toward outfitting and training Murat's cavalry. He's done excellent work with them, too. But it has been at the expense of the artillery arm."

"And unofficially?"

"Unofficially, the Swiss merchant has provided the Army of the Rhine 26 cannon for specie or bullion. By his account, they all fell off the back of a wagon. He is selling hundreds more to the government at quite a steep price. But France is in dire straits, surrounded by enemies and lacking cannon. It is a poor deal, but one we must accept."

"Damn the Swiss, always proclaiming their neutrality, holed up that mountain fortress they call a country. You can't invade them, so you have to do business with them, the louts."

"You seem to be rather bitter about the Swiss, Severin," says Chamans over his glass of wine.

"My father was acquainted with an american officer by the name of Brannigan, he always went on a rant about how you could never trust a man who was neutral. I suppose that always stuck with me. That and the Swiss as so aggressively neutral, and that merchant doesn't help to dispel the stereotype. Come to think of it, the Swiss love gold, they make such intricate clockwork devices, and they live in the mountains... could they be the dwarfs referred to in the old norse sagas?"

"Where did that come from Severin? And you call me a drunk who can't sing?"

"Just an idle musing. But you can always trust the Swiss to put their own interests first, they just pretty it up and say they want nothing to do with anything."

"How cynical of you Severin? Where's that boisterous ex-sergeant who wrestles in the mud with soldats?"

Before Severin is able to reply, a runner calls for him with a message, apparently urgent.
"Excuse me friends, something seems to have come up."

"Strange, since when has Severin gotten such important news that didn't concern us? He's not the most discreet of men."

"Chamans, that man has vexed me since we have met. He can lead and train infantry, and he's good at it, but dealing with him in person can drive you to drink! Oh God, Severin has made me a drunk!"

"My friends, I have some concerning news. My man there happened to be near la Generale's tent just as General Jourdan came storming out after having a row with our petit arpenteuse. His parting words were something along the lines of "I hope I will see you again," but the corporal said it was delivered menacingly."

"Oh. Oh, dear. Given how well everything else is going... hmm, la Generale swore me to secrecy, but it seems it will me imminently relevant. She wrote an unofficial letter of protest regarding the plans for military adventurism in the east."

"East, if it were a campaign across the Rhine, I'd have to know, regarding provisioning and supply. There's no way... Unless... You mean that absurd rumor about India?"

"Precisely. She discussed the expedition with me, and disected the plans. Apparently, she sent the letter under a pseudonym, but high command, Jourdan especially, is quite familiar with her penmanship and diction."

"So they knew it was her from the start. And they are... displeased."

"The bastards in high command were probably offended by someone without military academy training poking giant holes in their pet project, and decided to promote her to the most distant and dangerous posting possible. Well, technically, since they could be sending her to Haiti or Guiana, or even China."

"India, by way of Egypt. Do they expect Le Bretagne to ignore the undoubtedly massive transport and supply fleets such an endeavor would absolutely require? Even if the army makes landfall in Egypt, there's no guarantee the supply convoys will go unmolested. Imagine being cut off from supply in the desert. No wine..."

"Dear Lord in Heaven, all of that sand. So coarse and rough. It gets everywhere."

"And what do you have against sand, Severin?"

"I fought at Yorktown, a coastal town. Sand gets into everything and especially places you don't want. I can only imagine marching and fighting in a desert will be worse."

"We'll need to make provisions for lighter uniforms to deal with the heat."

"I've also heard that it can get devilishly cold at night."

"Water will be essential, especially with dried and salted provisions. Given the threat of the Royal Navy, can we even count on regular supply, if at all? We may have to source everything locally."

"I'm not familiar with the customs of moslems, but one thing I do know is not to mess with a man's taxes or his religion. Chamans, what are you pondering that makes you look so constipated?"

"Get your mind off my bowels, Severin! Aside from military matters we'll need to hire local guides and translators, we'll need to negotiate with local tribes and acquire maps. And there are those ancient wonders of the Pharaohs, so we may wish to bring scientists and archaeologists. All of the considerations are giving me a headache, and we aren't even looking at the details yet!"

"The ruling moslems in Egypt, the Mamluks, right? Didn't they out fight the Mongols on horseback? Why are you looking at me like that? I'm not an idiot, I know things! I might not be a gentleman, but I know a lot of military history!"

"Apologies, Severin, I mistook you for a loudmouthed meat-headed simpleton of a soldier. Apparently, you do know things. I stand corrected."

"Ow. That hurt me Chamans. That hurt me right here." Severin sarcastically replies, rapping his knuckles on the metal plate sewn into the vest over his heart."

"Well, Chamans, Severin, if we're going to Egypt, then we'll probably be getting more officers. One of us will have to step up as la Generale's chief of staff. Who do you think-"

"Not it!"

"Really, Severin, this is a why I had that impression of you, rudely interjecting while others are speaking."

"Come off it Chamans, you know I'm not even an option. Chief of Staff has to be good paperwork and has to talk to other staff officers without offending them. There's no way it could be me. I'm just a sergeant that was promoted too far and too fast."

"Don't put yourself down, man! As much as you rib me for my singing, you are an excellent trainer and infantry commander. As someone who rose through the ranks, you are familiar with what the soldats must deal with and know how to motivate them. I've met formally trained infantry officers that couldn't get as much out of their men as you can from 'frontier militia and reservists,' Severin. Chaman's ought to be Chief of Staff. He's able to keep the two of us under control, and he's had experience running the army while la Generale was recuperating."

"I- I can't argue with that. You two are just trying to get out of more work, aren't you?"

"What? Jealous that you'll be stuck doing paperwork and making nice while I get stuck in? Already missing the chance to bloody your saber like at Mayence?"

"S-shut up, you blithering imbecile!"
Chamans covers his stutter by finishing his glass of wine.

"We'd best get back to work, given the looming task before us, gentlemen."
 
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Holding Egypt is incredibly unlikely and ultimately pointless. Any invasion of Egypt would be to ransack it of whatever supplies are needed, 'liberate' (read: steal) whatever ecological and historical curiosities that Napoleon did, and then to march eastwards into the Levant and then across to Mesopotamia if we want to try and actually attempt the India campaign via India, leaving a ruined Egypt behind for the Ottomans or whoever to do their best to restore order in and the this expeditionary army completely cut off from any potential allies or resources. Otherwise, you might as well sack Egypt and go westwards to North Africa, wrecking the Barbary States, and then getting close enough to try and take Gibraltar somehow. Or, go north from Egypt into Greece and then attempt an overland invasion of Austria-Hungary. For some strange bizarre reason.

This army would be better used to take Paris and tell the Directorate to go conquer Egypt by themselves if they so desperately want it.

Or shit, let's just go conquer the Levant and form the French Republic of Outremer if we're wanting to get that frisky.
 
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We send the Prince to an Academy a Prussian Academy.

You can have the Army divert to Malta, and finally Egypt but keeping a primarily small and mobile flying battalions around the Nile Delta.

The Coptic Christians maybe of great use for the coming campaign as they are Christians and would be more familiar with the Upper Nile areas.
 
Hmm, what have philosophers and intellectuals been thinking about us and the figure we represent? Just a random though.
 
Im more interested in artistic side of things. Is there any artist that has been inspired by our exploits? Maybe composer, poet? We should be cultural icon by now!!!
 
Hmm, what have philosophers and intellectuals been thinking about us and the figure we represent? Just a random though.
We've certainly made a case for female suffrage and women's rights.

But only because we've been proven to be competent and skilled at our job. We lose... well let's just say that invincible and fire-fighting reputation might come crashing down.

As of right now, we've won every battle we've fought in and saved the campaigns with our presence.

Now we have to prove it on our own.
Im more interested in artistic side of things. Is there any artist that has been inspired by our exploits? Maybe composer, poet? We should be cultural icon by now!!!
Actually, we've been the subject of several short stories and novels currently. Pulp novels that are more adventure stories and less about politics and war, but we're a very popular character for the horny authors of the world to write about. Because they can't write females that are competent for shit.

In France and other more friendly countries, we're actually portrayed as we kinda are. Intelligent, soft-spoken, tactically brilliant, and slightly politically active. Hell, the republicans and the monarchists think highly of us. one for our sheer determination to protecting France, the other for protecting the royal kids from being abused by violent abusers, and continuing their education as best we can.

As for our enemies, we're portrayed not as a large, ugly Amazonian barbarian who enjoys sending men to the slaughter (which was what they did at first, the propaganda machine had a field day with us for a few months), but as an easily manipulated woman who has little intelligence, who is constantly betrayed, manipulated, and scorned by the men above her, who see you as nothing but a woman sacrificing her womanly value... unfit for a husband, being a whore, or even the church.

That they only care about butchering royals... and protecting the kids is your one redeeming quality to them, because you are a woman, after all, you protect the children!
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In Britain, you are actually quite a popular figure to mock when you are not being portrayed as an airhead stumbling through battles with the men under you doing all the real work.

"The French are sending women to do a man's work, they must be failures" That sort of thing.

The disrespect we are getting abroad must end!
 
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I don't suppose anyone is interested in a proposition to invade Ireland, are they? Its a hell of a lot closer than Egypt is, far less foreign, and actually has much more a strategic value than Egypt. IOTL, there were actually two attempts by the French to invade the Emerald Isles. First one was by Lazare Hoche, in collaboration with the United Irishmen, led by Wolfe Tome, had about 15K men, looked promising, and even Napoleon thought that Hoche would have won if he had got his boots on the ground, but the weather felt particularly religious that day and scattered the damn fleet. Second was by Humbert, a lot more pathetic than Hoche as he had only a thousand men with him but actually managed to land, still lost though.

What's interesting isn't actually holding it, its the financial impact of a potential landing. When Humbert's little force managed to step foot, the Bank of England damn well panicked, now imagine how badly they'd panic when there are more than 10K foreign soldiers on British soil, with a good chance of local collaboration?
 
I don't suppose anyone is interested in a proposition to invade Ireland, are they? Its a hell of a lot closer than Egypt is, far less foreign, and actually has much more a strategic value than Egypt. IOTL, there were actually two attempts by the French to invade the Emerald Isles. First one was by Lazare Hoche, in collaboration with the United Irishmen, led by Wolfe Tome, had about 15K men, looked promising, and even Napoleon thought that Hoche would have won if he had got his boots on the ground, but the weather felt particularly religious that day and scattered the damn fleet. Second was by Humbert, a lot more pathetic than Hoche as he had only a thousand men with him but actually managed to land, still lost though.
Well you see, there is a little problem called the Royal Navy, controlling every avenue to getting past Gibraltar and a stranglehold on the Channel. Even if we could get to Ireland (and I'm not saying you can't, you can straight up abandon your campaign in Egypt for something else, for a new more feasible objective... you just might suffer extreme consequences for disobeying direct orders)

The Problem with that, once you chose to disobey orders... that can carry a lot of consequences.
What's interesting isn't actually holding it, its the financial impact of a potential landing. When Humbert's little force managed to step foot, the Bank of England damn well panicked, now imagine how badly they'd panic when there are more than 10K foreign soldiers on British soil, with a good chance of local collaboration?
The Irish Republic? It's more likely than you think.

Plus I and Cyber have had an idea about one of Brian and Therese's Fathers friends assisting with such a rebellion. If you ever went there or supported one.
 
Well you see, there is a little problem called the Royal Navy, controlling every avenue to getting past Gibraltar and a stranglehold on the Channel. Even if we could get to Ireland (and I'm not saying you can't, you can straight up abandon your campaign in Egypt for something else, for a new more feasible objective... you just might suffer extreme consequences for disobeying direct orders)
Please, the Royal Navy couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, we can take 'em.

In all seriousness though, yeah no, we caren't take them.

Thank god I found my book on Nappy's Egypt campaign and moved it into my room way back.

Big issues we're gonna face:

  1. Disease. Specifically the Bubonic Plague. Yes, that one.
  2. Lack of a supply line. Nappy landed his men, then the RN came in and blasted the Navy that carried them, cutting off supplies and such.
  3. The locals. We want them HAPPY with us.
 
Please, the Royal Navy couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, we can take 'em.

In all seriousness though, yeah no, we caren't take them.

Thank god I found my book on Nappy's Egypt campaign and moved it into my room way back.

Big issues we're gonna face:

  1. Disease. Specifically the Bubonic Plague. Yes, that one.
  2. Lack of a supply line. Nappy landed his men, then the RN came in and blasted the Navy that carried them, cutting off supplies and such.
  3. The locals. We want them HAPPY with us.

Yes, we need to do what Napoleon did right OTL and avoid wher he screwed up. On the the first is relationship with the Navy (aboukir could have been avoided OTL if the relationship had been better). The second is to have an organised medical corp (OTL, the plague victims were basically left to die alone), so logistics is important.
 
Yes, we need to do what Napoleon did right OTL and avoid wher he screwed up. On the the first is relationship with the Navy (aboukir could have been avoided OTL if the relationship had been better). The second is to have an organised medical corp (OTL, the plague victims were basically left to die alone), so logistics is important.
Problem is that we don't have many actual naval officers that have the experience the British do. Saint-Andre did as good as he could fixing the navy, but the best that did was the Glorious First of June, and wasn't exactly all that encouraging of a result.
 
Problem is that we don't have many actual naval officers that have the experience the British do. Saint-Andre did as good as he could fixing the navy, but the best that did was the Glorious First of June, and wasn't exactly all that encouraging of a result.

True. The RN will cut our supply line sooner or later, if it wants to dedicate the efforts (but that might mean lowering their guard somewhere else). But the French navy does not need to be surprised at anchor and sunk in a one-sided battle; if it inflicts the same type of damage on the RN as the glorious first of June one, it will allow for more supply to get through (as happened OTL with said glorious first of June).
 
What we could do is two fold

First we need to recruit Privaters to raid the northern sea, this way most of the "RN rapid response will be away leaving us with more time for part 2.

Second, we NEED to take malta and the port of Nicosia, the RN has no other base than those + Gibraltar, if we take them and hold them they can't stay in the Mediterranean sea, attrition will force them to leave and if we station our fleet in the harbor of Nicosia we can weather the storm.
PS we could also recruit captain/officier from the privater, most of them have a military experience (they have to by law)
 
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