La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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(Sad UNKNOWN Noises)

Anyways, Egypt is going to be painful without a doubt, and at the same time I'm kinda iffy about changing too much of the plan, due to the fact that we've been given such an independence, which will give us full responsibility if anything goes wrong...
 
Well, I plan to write a hard alternate history quest during the French Revolution one day. Need good sources to read and practice my prose, while also remembering just how different a society it was, so sexism, racism and a whole lot of bad -isms are gonna be involved.
 
to secure our interests in Egypt and if you are successful, continued interests in India.
So the test of opening the second objective (of our mission) is secured French interests in Egypt. That second objective being secured continued interests in India.

The mission is assigned us knowing that we feel it is unworkable in it's current form and they admit that they are unable to change the plan this late. Malta is a far better port to fight the British from. and cuts their route to Egypt. Furthermore the safe anchorage for a substantial fleet under fortress guns would allow interdiction of the straits either side of Sicily.

A descent upon the southern coast could be the initial step in the conquest of Sicily. No hiding place for Ferdinand III. A good supply of sulphur (a flea fumigant when burned in houses as a prophylaxis against Bubonic plague) because of the largest volcano in Europe. A good supply of oranges and lemons for the navy. Escaping with an army from Sicily back to France is a lot more likely than from Egypt.

It just might get you into some deep shit.

Sending a smaller force on to Egypt from Sicily as an armed trade mission to keep the British out and combat the plague stands as much chance and is less wasteful. Trade the sulphur at a huge premium. Drop off scientists by establishing a consulate and trade fort outside Alexandria?

Take Cyprus/Nicosia too? These are all steps on a more gradual consolidation of the Med. This being vital to furthering our long term interests in Egypt to the point of a regular trade and supply route to India.

The side benefits are a more clement terrain for our troops, an easier prospect of retaining mobility and supply, control of access to the Eastern Med with a superb naval base and a means to secure any hold made on Naples from recapture/re-liberation.

Murat is an Admiral(!) and potential King of Naples and Sicily.

Plan
[-]De Lisle and ROAD TRIP

The academy can wait until the royal lad gains some perspective. A tour to broaden his mind.
 
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The mission is assigned us knowing that we feel it is unworkable in it's current form and they admit that they are unable to change the plan this late. Malta is a far better port to fight the British from. and cuts their route to Egypt. Furthermore the safe anchorage for a substantial fleet under fortress guns would allow interdiction of the straits either side of Sicily.
The Problem is that High command gave direct orders to go to Egypt to secure it. They want us to go as far away as possible.

Our unfortunate situation is, they want us to go to a foreign land, not a relatively close land like Sicily, where our exploits can be more acceptable to the rest of Europe And where we can control the narrative and propoganda.
No hiding place for Ferdinand III
I don't know, he can always flee deeper into Austrian Territory.
Sending a smaller force on to Egypt as an armed trade mission to keep the British out and combat the plague stands as much chance and is less wasteful.
Well that is true, but they would also be more vulnerable to British counters, and if they get stuck, they will be out of reinforcements and left to die.
The side benefits are a more clement terrain for our troops, an easier prospect of retaining mobility and supply, control of access to the Eastern Med with a superb naval base and a means to secure any hold made on Naples from recapture/re-liberation.
And don't forget, a possibility to link up with Napoleon when he's rampaging through Italy.
Murat is an Admiral(!) and potential King of Naples and Sicily.
Murat is a Calvary Officer, not a good admiral at this time.
The academy can wait until the lad gains some perspective. A tour to broaden his mind.
I mean, he has already broadened his mind quite a bit since we've taken him under his wing.
 
It just might get you into some deep shit.
The Problem is that High command gave direct orders to go to Egypt to secure it. They want us to go as far away as possible.

Our unfortunate situation is, they want us to go to a foreign land, not a relatively close land like Sicily, where our exploits can be more acceptable to the rest of Europe And where we can control the narrative and propoganda.
This is where independent command comes in handy. We can operate from Sicily to Alexandria, Egypt across the whole Eastern Med. Our orders leave a lot of room to roam. As long as we visit Egypt or one of our subordinates* does, on our behalf and the plan covers the aims of the order. What they want and what they have asked of us are two different things.

We will not be going to die in a fire. We will not get lost. We will obey orders and further the glory of France and her longer term interests in the Eastern Med and Red Sea in the hope of continued interests in India. We cannot even attempt to support India until our interests in Egypt are secure enough. So we can only be held to account for what we accomplish with our army. Taking Malta, Sicily and Cyprus while locking out the RN? A good sustainable start. I'd say.

* We might want to send someone we would like to get lost for a while? Appoint some directory stooge as agent to the Sheik of Djibouti.
 
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This is where independent command comes in handy. We can operate from Sicily to Alexandria, Egypt across the whole Eastern Med. Our orders leave a lot of room to roam. As long as we visit Egypt or one of our subordinates does, on our behalf and the plan covers the aims of the order. What they want and what they have asked of us are two different things. We will not be going to die in a fire. We will not get lost. We will obey orders and further the glory of France.
So in other words... We're stretching the orders enough so we have leeway... but following them close enough to not get a reprimand...

Wow... the only thing that might make it go bad is our... selection of officers to join us... and the Royal Navy.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Feb 26, 2021 at 9:57 AM, finished with 141 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X]De Lisle and ROAD TRIP
    [X] Chamans & Academy
    [X] Chamans & Academy
    -[X]Colonel Antoine Marie Chamans: The Man had been arguably your second in command throughout your first battles. An expert administrator, a competent officer in all fields of fighting, though his strength lied in artillery, and a man who more often than not, quelled the more brash heads of de Lisle and Severin when they both proposed plans that would not accurately and effectively use what you had. He is also a man you know can keep secrets, and that was worth almost as much as cannon on a hill.
    -[X]Send them to the Academy: Louis has expressed a desire to become an officer, if not out loud, then in his actions learning from your men. Charlotte will follow him, care for him, and to learn from the Academies best. (This will send them to the Military School in Brienne, A School Napoleon recommended in a letter.)
    [X]De Lisle and ROAD TRIP
    -[X]Captain Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle: When you looked for a man to keep the Army fed, the weapons working, and a place to sleep, you turned to de Lisle. He was a master Engineer, a man who could make a loaf of bread last a week among twenty men with his expert rationing. He is not a man who will question your orders and provide a second opinion, something you desperately need. It is quite a shame that he is also a composer in his spare time, with a horrific singing voice. (Will automatically promote de Lisle to Colonel.)
    -[X]Take Them With You: You will not allow them to be pawns within France. It would be safer to take them with you and keep them under your watch. (You will take them with you to Egypt.)
    [X] chamans & road trip
 
to make it easier for the tally
That is a really bad reason. The tally is 9 v 8 now so you are deciding with this vote one way or the other. I think you should change it.

I think Charmans can cope with paperwork better and leave De Lisle free to concentrate on logistics. These are two very different things. Being sent off to Egypt has shown that we could do with the diplomatic filter on our correspondence too.

I was worried about the academy, but I think it will be alright. Kids need a good school and I trust that they will act in our interests.

Changed vote: (I updated my previous voting post to strike through the voting text and remove the X)
[-] Chamans & Academy

@Sir_Travelsalot Are you going to post a voting promotion text to sway the voters and tip the balance?
I am appealing also to
@Mr. Sandman
@wencitofrum
@Tjakari
@Star
@UNKNOWN01
@Shadow1863
@Donkey Hote
@Night_stalker
All to reconsider in light of the points I raise. Please.


#election fever
 
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@Magoose, could we send them to the Academy under an alias and in secret? We don't know anything of the people who work there or who studies there. The least bad thing that could happen to them would be bullying, but if there are people especially hostile to them, or who wish to restore the monarchy, they would be in grave danger.
[]Send them to the Academy: Louis has expressed a desire to become an officer, if not out loud, then in his actions learning from your men. Charlotte will follow him, care for him, and to learn from the Academies best. (This will send them to the Military School in Brienne, A School Napoleon recommended in a letter.)
They would have no chaperone, since Charlotte is at present only 14, and her brother is 7, and we would be thousands of kilometers away to help them. Sending them there alone seems like a terrible ideia. If you guys don't want to send them to Egypt, at least consider handing them over to Brian. They would be much safer in Italy and under his protection.
I trust that they will act in our interests.
Why would you think that? We don't know anything about the place as far as I am aware.
 
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under an alias and in secret? We don't know anything of the people who work there or who studies there. The least bad thing that could happen to them would be bullying, but if there are people especially hostile to them, or who wish to restore the monarchy, they would be in grave danger
The only thing you know is that Napoleon recommends the academy.

You have not reaserched it yourself and only have Napoleons word on the matter and the reputation of the now reopened academy.

Also Charlotte is also 15, but you would be correct.

their chaperone is not someone we handpicked, but one Nappy B hand picked... but someone who is especially compatent and nurturing compared to the two royals previous guardians who is also a die hard republican.

His Brother.
 
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but someone who is especially compatent and nurturing compared to the two royals previous guardians who is also a die hard republican.
That's a pretty low bar though, and there are die hard republicans and DIE hard republicans. If he is the latter that is not good for the kids. If we know him well enough and he is the former I guess it would be alright.
Also Charlotte is also 15, but you would be correct.
Yeah, there is no way we should let the two of them be responsible for each other. They are much too young. Which is why the apartment option is a non-starter
That doesn't really narrow it down :V (I'm guessing Lucien?)
The only thing you know is that Napoleon recommends the academy.
This doesn't fill me with confidence, since they are potential pretenders to him, and he probably has taken that in consideration when selecting the academy. So maybe no Royalist plots, but other things might happen. I guess the question is: would we trust Napoleon with them enough?
 
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Why would you think that? We don't know anything about the place as far as I am aware.
Napoleon wouldn't recommend a bad school, nor one that promoted royalist ideals. As the school's customer we would hold them accountable, Brian could too. Can we detail a bodyguard?

A battleground is never truly a safe place. Even on a high hill overlooking, there is more risk and less education. Although we could get a personal tutor and The academy won't have 100,000 bodyguards.

Does there need to be a plan for De Lisle and Academy and one for Charmens and Road Trip to make four options?

Ah hell!
Vote changed: (yes again)
[X] chamans & road trip

@Icefox is right.
 
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Napoleon wouldn't recommend a bad school, nor one that promoted royalist ideals. As the school's customer we would hold them accountable, Brian could too.

A battleground is never truly a safe place. Even on a high hill overlooking, there is more risk and less education.
Sure, but the two of them are potential pretenders to the leadership of France. It is much more likely that he suggested it to keep an eye on them and make sure they are isolated from people sympathetic to them. The quality of the school is immaterial if it is a hostile environment for the children or puts them in potential danger.

As for holding them accountable, we can't do anything about that. We hold no positions in the civilian government that I know of and would be thousands of miles away, and Brian would be in Italy as well. The only person that would chaperone them is Napoleon's brother, who is a total stranger who is hostile to the monarchy. Would you hand off your child to one and land them in a potentially dangerous environment when you are far away?

We should either take them, give them to Brian or to their Aunt. In that order. The academy is marginally better than the apartment in my view.
 
We should either take them, give them to Brian or to their Aunt. In that order.
Well there is one vote already for Charmans + Road Trip so I joined Icefox and hopefully others can reconsider too.

De Lisle is the wrong choice for chief of staff. He needs focusing on logistics to get the full benefit and Charmans can ease communications while having the broad base of skills to deputy for us. Charming Charmans would have told us the consequences for our anon letter to the directory. Or made it truly anon. Could De Lisle do that? Do that and focus on logistics?

Vote for Charmans & road trip (exact wording "chamans & road trip") The people you can trust to do the right thing.
 
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Well there is one vote already for Charmans + Road Trip so I joined Icefox and hopefully others can reconsider too.
I do want them to have an education, just worried at what sending them there would entail. The trip to Egypt will make us sit in a ship doing nothing for some time, so we can personally attend to that, and during the preparation we should definitely see about finding a tutor for them. They can learn Arabic with us as well, since we'll need to speak that in the future.
 
A proper education requires stability. Both material and mental.

I don't think the kids are going to be okay in the head if we just dump them somewhere. And if they're not okay emotionally, the benefits of a well regimented education aren't going to come through.

I can't vote for sending them to an academy @perfectgeneral.

It'd be another thing if the players on the quest weren't very eager to invest in the kids, but I don't think we'll have a hard time voting for education actions while we're off on campaign.
 
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A proper education requires stability. Both material and mental.

I don't think the kids are going to be okay in the head if we just dump them somewhere. And if they're not okay emotionally, the benefits of a well regimented education aren't going to come through.
You do realize that children have been sent to boarding schools throughout history, and all signs indicate they turned out just fine? One of them actively wants to attend one. And it's not like we're just dumping them there and forgetting them, there will be correspondence through letters.

Bringing them to an active warzone with very real risks of death by starvation, which is what the leading alternative is, would be supremely irresponsible.
 
You do realize that children have been sent to boarding schools throughout history, and all signs indicate they turned out just fine?
That's... debatable. Regardless, this isn't just a boarding school and the children aren't "regular children"
And it's not like we're just dumping them there and forgetting them, there will be correspondence through letters. If something happens to them, it will likely take a couple of months to find out, and we wouldn't be able to intervene anyway.
We are, we'll be more than a month away through communcation, and handing them off to a total stranger, who probably has a bad view of them as a matter of principle.
Bringing them to an active warzone with very real risks of death by starvation, which is what the leading alternative is, would be supremely irresponsible.
That is just wrong though. If there is a food shortage, the people least affected by it would be the officers and their wards. We won't starve, the soldiery will. And they won't be in the frontlines fighting, they'll be in the rear, as they were when we campaigned before.
 
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