Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
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- The Periphery
That's exactly what the PRT is asking itself. That's a good way to misguide.
In Nuclear Fire
- Thread starter Poliamida
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That's exactly what the PRT is asking itself. That's a good way to misguide.
Lightwavers
Purple Noodle
- Pronouns
- they/them
It's not racist to have trouble telling people with similar facial features apart. The way the sentence is phrased is pretty racist, though. "I don't know many Asian people, so I can't really tell if we've got the right person," has waaay different connotations than, "All Asians look the same to me."
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Ignoring the phrasing issue, having issues telling apart the facial features of ethnicities someone is unfamiliar with is an actual thing called the cross-race effect.
Poliamida
(Verified Heavy Molecule)
- Location
- Beyond the Stars
Well, if she doesn't get parahuman help she'll have to be taken out of the city to a place where she can get treated.
If that happens the local PRT will need a new director. Good thing that there are a lot of people waiting in line to take that role!
Nah, they aren't that stupid. They'll just ask Belisarius to get the fuck out while they deal with this.
Correct. The BB branch is expected to fail and lead to the fabled 'parahuman feudalism'.
They can't. As it was pointed out, the garage is also protected so they can't follow people in, and then there's the huge risk of attacking Coil and him just dropping that timeline.
Yup, that's him.
I'll argue that it isn't that bad for most capes. You do get a lot, from training to backup. The problem is with tinkers who are treated in a particularly draconian way due to how difficult it is to control and predict them.
Eh, I blame it to the rush and lack of sleep. I'll do better next time.
My headcanon is that anti-vermin tinkertech is one of the most popular brands of Toybox products. I know I'd pay for that. And Coil has known about Taylor's bug powers for weeks now.
The Fight did receive tribute from the people, even if by accident. The PRT knows about that because they have been keeping an eye on the new team.
She's a stubborn fuck.
I had the missfortune of dealing with a lot of people like that.
Something that was never addressed in any fic is what happens when those restrictions help. Another headcanon of mine is that Tinkers have the lowest life-expectancy of capes because they end up blowing themselves up. It's just that protagonists rarely have to deal with something like that.
No really. Peter never had much social interaction period, and never interacted with Asian people.
Also, let me tell you a story: this one time I crossed this crazy woman who was following me in the streets. She turned out to be my mom who had just gotten a haircut. I recognize people more from their voices, mannerisms, and clothes and their faces. I translated that into my SI.
They aren't sure. That's in part why they wanted the power test, to figure out what their specialties are and what they can expect from them in the future.
- Location
- Koszalin, Poland
It's the whole 'feudal parahuman experiment', as mentioned before, designed to introduce a failed feudal state in a way. Also, Piggot survived Ellisburg, while heroes pretty much left her, and her squadmates, to die, which possibly means she received that spot as some sort of bribe, to stay silent.
Although I don't remember if this part was canon or fanon.
Also point here is that she should be forced to take medical leave (which is perfectly normal if you need it), and return in somewhat good health. Everyone ignoring it, especially here when it's mentioned her face looks yellow of all things is borderline ridiculous. And I really doubt those people missed it.
Honestly forcefully healing her for being a stubborn goat, and using some sort of 'emergency clause' is most likely a result I expect.
Well... ironically it may be too early, so Coil/Calvert isn't ready yet.
So in this case it may mean Tagg or West. Fun times ahead people if this will be the case. Because oh boy, it would start being annoying for Taylor and MC to deal with. Understatement and all.
Or set up an ambush at his civilian persona, but if they are caught, it would be kind of hard to explain. Also, he has a body double for his Coil persona, but not a civilian one.
How convenient there is a tinker to possibly counter this issue.
If you know for sure this is 100% Coil, it doesn't matter if he drops his timeline, as this is the real one anyway. But the thing is they don't know for sure, as it may be a body double.
And how to possibly best counter them, while knowing their specialties. Oh well, they tried.
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I understand that, though not to that degree. I think going to basic where everyone had shaved heads helped that a lot. Though I also tend to recognize people by what they do as well. It's just what sticks most in my memory. Ever have the problem where a wrong name for someone gets stuck in your head?
Garreon
Paldean Top Champion
- Location
- Mesagoza, Paldea
Tagg second to Coil
MangoFlan
Cold... I feel cold...
Haha. I can relate. I can't remember the amount of times I've separated from my parents at the mall and literally moments later going "Crap, what color of shirt did they wear? What do they look– Oh there they are."
When they are talking about wrecked cars, I am guessing they mean all the cars that crashed after the EMP? Or do they mean all the cars on the road immobile because of the EMP? If it is the second one, then that is not a reasonable demand. Those cars just need a few replacement parts. They are repairable.
On a second read through, I realize both Peter and Taylor have massive issues with authority and a similar response. Basically, authority is corrupt (or incompetent in Peter's case) and can't be trusted, and it would be better if everyone just did what she/he said. I'm wondering if they will both have the same flaws because of this. Canon Taylor would grasp for rational justifications for her actions despite most of her major decisions being emotional. She also never considered the rational behind other people's actions. E.g. Killing is wrong when others do it, but it's ok when Taylor decides to because she has good reasons. Peter has repeatedly made rash emotional decisions too.
I'm worried a bit that Taylor and Peter will feed each other's issues, but so far they have been good for each other. Taylor is stopping Peter from being totally crazy with his tinkering, and Peter has drastically improved Taylor's life. The big issue is that while they will stop each other from making rash decisions, neither of them will give any consideration to outsiders' concerns. Honestly, I think they need to bring a 3rd normal person into their decision making process. Like Danny. He would offer a better perspective on what is reasonable or not. I think he can be trusted to keep their secret if they tell him the PRT will put a kill order on them if they learn about their full powers.
Honestly if I had the power, I wouldn't submit to the PRT either. The biggest benefit of the PRT, especially for kids and tinkers, is safety. Wards and heroes engage in fewer fights, get support, take more precautions. Of course that safety doesn't matter if you know an Endbringer is coming and the world is ending soon. With the coming dangers, crippling yourself is suicidal.
Random tangent. You don't need tinkertech to stop bugs. An underground bunker with thick concrete walls won't have a lot of entrances for bugs. A house has plenty of little cracks and such, but a half meter thick wall of concrete won't be as vulnerable. Could just hire and exterminator and put a ton of bug poison and gels along all the base entrances. I guess a tinkertech gizmo at the entrances could zap any flying bugs or bugs on mercenaries trying to sneak in. Shit, there are non tinker solutions for that too. Delouse people coming into and out of the base? It would be a annoying, but possible.
On a second read through, I realize both Peter and Taylor have massive issues with authority and a similar response. Basically, authority is corrupt (or incompetent in Peter's case) and can't be trusted, and it would be better if everyone just did what she/he said. I'm wondering if they will both have the same flaws because of this. Canon Taylor would grasp for rational justifications for her actions despite most of her major decisions being emotional. She also never considered the rational behind other people's actions. E.g. Killing is wrong when others do it, but it's ok when Taylor decides to because she has good reasons. Peter has repeatedly made rash emotional decisions too.
I'm worried a bit that Taylor and Peter will feed each other's issues, but so far they have been good for each other. Taylor is stopping Peter from being totally crazy with his tinkering, and Peter has drastically improved Taylor's life. The big issue is that while they will stop each other from making rash decisions, neither of them will give any consideration to outsiders' concerns. Honestly, I think they need to bring a 3rd normal person into their decision making process. Like Danny. He would offer a better perspective on what is reasonable or not. I think he can be trusted to keep their secret if they tell him the PRT will put a kill order on them if they learn about their full powers.
Honestly if I had the power, I wouldn't submit to the PRT either. The biggest benefit of the PRT, especially for kids and tinkers, is safety. Wards and heroes engage in fewer fights, get support, take more precautions. Of course that safety doesn't matter if you know an Endbringer is coming and the world is ending soon. With the coming dangers, crippling yourself is suicidal.
Random tangent. You don't need tinkertech to stop bugs. An underground bunker with thick concrete walls won't have a lot of entrances for bugs. A house has plenty of little cracks and such, but a half meter thick wall of concrete won't be as vulnerable. Could just hire and exterminator and put a ton of bug poison and gels along all the base entrances. I guess a tinkertech gizmo at the entrances could zap any flying bugs or bugs on mercenaries trying to sneak in. Shit, there are non tinker solutions for that too. Delouse people coming into and out of the base? It would be a annoying, but possible.
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Oof, now Tech-Priest will totally be blamed for making her faint. Also, is there a reason that the PRT didn't give them salvage rights of the cars? I would think that they would know that criminals and everyone else will be scavenging for everything of use that they can find and not even bother with permits or anything.
Yeah, I would enjoy that way too much.
It is quite common for there to be Samaritan laws, soo emergency healing is always permitted unless the person is in a position to reject said healing and does so. So he could totaly give tikertech organ to piggot, andbe legaly covered for it.
If you know ahead of time that someone has a filled out document that rejects said healing, things get murkier though.
In real world, this is mostly applied to things like Jehovas witnesses and other people that for religious reasons refuse to accept blood. A medical practitioner will not get in trubbel for giving them blood in an emergency. Even if their family is there and tells you that they are jehovas. The person himself has to do it, or have on paper that they reject blood. That said, often jehovas and other such dominations get plasma or equivalent if the hospital knows ahead of time if it's possible, since even if it's legal, it can still be a massive headake. Children gets blood though. In most countries, the lawfull protection to give the strongest help for children to survive trauma is stronger than parents right to decide about how harsh religious practises should apply to their child.
I was reading about EMPs. Looking at the EMP car issue again, cars would barely be impacted by an EMP. Sure, lights, radio, and electric windows and such would be broken, but cars are mostly mechanical. Older cars would restart without issue, and a few of the newest cars would be unable to start. There would be crashes from broken traffic lights and cars driving without head light, but a car suddenly losing power would still be able to brake just fine.
Funny enough, cars in the poor parts of town, like the docks, would be older and have fewer electronics, while cars in downtown and richer areas would more likely be broken. Cars before 2000 rarely have electronics in anything needed for turning on an engine. This is Earth Bet with a perpetual oil crisis because of Behemoth, so maybe electric and hybrid cars are more common. This is an excellent time to sell an old car in Brockton Bay.
Assuming Bakudas EMP is just an absurdly powerful tinker bomb, it would completely destroy computers (medical, banking, any computers) and important parts of the power grid. That is where most of the damage would be. Peter could ask the city for salvage on the destroyed power grid components and computers (that the city owns) in exchange for the water purifier. That is a reasonable trade. The city and PRT can't promise the broken cars to Peter. They have no rights to it. He would have to ask each car owner, which is impractical because Peter has no way of paying for those parts and can't give tinkertech to each person.
Funny enough, cars in the poor parts of town, like the docks, would be older and have fewer electronics, while cars in downtown and richer areas would more likely be broken. Cars before 2000 rarely have electronics in anything needed for turning on an engine. This is Earth Bet with a perpetual oil crisis because of Behemoth, so maybe electric and hybrid cars are more common. This is an excellent time to sell an old car in Brockton Bay.
Assuming Bakudas EMP is just an absurdly powerful tinker bomb, it would completely destroy computers (medical, banking, any computers) and important parts of the power grid. That is where most of the damage would be. Peter could ask the city for salvage on the destroyed power grid components and computers (that the city owns) in exchange for the water purifier. That is a reasonable trade. The city and PRT can't promise the broken cars to Peter. They have no rights to it. He would have to ask each car owner, which is impractical because Peter has no way of paying for those parts and can't give tinkertech to each person.
Yes and no.
Feds Revive Effort to Stop Sale of Katrina Cars
The federal government is showing renewed interest in a system intended to prevent wrecked or stolen cars from being resold without the buyer's knowledge. But it's too late to help people who unknowingly bought cars flooded during Hurricane Katrina.
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In cases of disaster events, the government would be able to restrict the sale of vehicles damaged by the attack.
The 4th amendment protections against searches and seizures would still apply. But that simply means that the government has to pay those people for their lost property.
I'm quite certain that Earth Bet has a law for handling salvage rights like this, because if they didn't how would they handle Leviathan attacks? Flood damaged cars will come from that by the dozens, and there's no way most of those can be repaired. Same with Behemoth irradiated cars. So there has to be a legal mechanism for the government to cut those people a check and declare the vehicle totaled just like they tried to do IRL for Hurricane Katrina.
In canon he had Leet build something Leet called a famine engine, which both counteracted Skitter"s bug control and could also mimic it. This was also done within the timeframe of a few weeks.
ScottotheUnwise
Verified Crack (fic) Dealer
- Location
- Mulberry, Fl
Orrrrr it could be that Coil's base is being fumigated in a rotating cycle with enough bug bombs to kill a hundred pound cockroach. Put enough of a moat around the castle and any of Taylor's bugs would have a hard time getting in without getting nerve gassed (which is about what some pesticides do). Combine that with bug zappers in the vents. Extra cold rooms as a transition. That sort of thing.
Poliamida
(Verified Heavy Molecule)
- Location
- Beyond the Stars
Don't know either but it does sound like something they would do, sweetening the deal by telling Piggot that this way she can control them and stop them to do to other people what they did to her and her team.
Yeah, as the head of a very important public institute her personal desires are secondary to the needs of her possition. She'll get healed, the problem is what comes after that.
Oh, absolutely. Coil needed Piggot's fall to happen in a very controlled maner so he could give positions of power to people he could control. With everythig that has been happening taking over the PRT may end up making things more complicate for him as he suddently becomes a very public figure, but at the same time if another Director comes and takes over that means that a lot of the work he put undermining Piggot goes null and he has to start over.
The issue there is that Peter only has a name, and not a face to put to that name yet.
The first one. Very few cars would be permanently damaged by the EMP, but the ammount of accidents is very high. The most common problem will be having your car suddently turning off, but even if that can be fixed by just turning it on again imagine that happening in a major avenue with hundreds of cars going at 60+ km/h.
How can I explain this?
Taylor sees authority figures as uncaring people who care more about their image and not 'rocking the boat' over individual people, and will happily step on her if her problems stand on the way of some nebulous 'greater good' that they don't see her as worthy of enjoying. Taylor sees that the best way to fix society is to put herself as leader.
People sees authority figures as too emotional and selfish, too busy with their own schemes to care about the 'greater good', and who are too stupid too realize that if they just shut up and obeyed the law things would be better for everyone. For Peter, the best way to fix society is to put unfeeling machines in charge, or to link everyone in a hestalt mind so they are forced to feel empathy.
At first glance they both have the same problems with authority, but when you go into the details they are very different.
I'll say, though, that one of Peter's saving graces is that he's fairly honest about himself and doesn't like self-justifications. He also tries to make Taylor think about why the other party does what it does before charging in guns blazing. Not to stop her from destroying that side, but to help her realize why that side became popular in the first place and stop it from resurging.
He could help.
Or maybe someone more streets-smart, if you get what I mean.
Nah, Piggot's problems are relatively well known. They know he wasn't responsible, and won't try to blame him either. Even if someone sugests it, the others will remind him that Belisarius is one of the few people who could heal her and don't want to antagonize him that bad just yet.
There are a couple reasons, but the main one is that they don't want to give resources to Belisarius without a way of guaranteeing that he won't use them against the PRT.
I'm going to interpret this as you saying that you will be bringing in the calm and moderating influence of Aisha into their team.
Fuel injection tends to be controlled by electronics rather than mechanical systems. Maybe not in earth bet given the international trade slowdown. Any cars that are not ancient... If they run I can't imagine them running well. Then again cars are mostly big metal boxes, especially the engine compartment so some amount of farday cage shielding...
Well I could imagine it either way and the needs of the story should come first.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
Thanks for update. I just finished all the story.
The story is pretty great. While there some "I'd not do that" moments, I didn't notice any "(insert character here) wouldn't do that". Characters are persons here, not a plot-puppets. And that's wonderful.
unexpected (for Leet's tech, I mean).
The story is pretty great. While there some "I'd not do that" moments, I didn't notice any "(insert character here) wouldn't do that". Characters are persons here, not a plot-puppets. And that's wonderful.
And Masters. And those with PR-unfriendly powers. And...
Sounds quite likely.
Oh, so they only need to wait a week or so before that thing will missfunction horribly and kill everyone in the base... Or mutate them into bug-people. Or do something else, completely
They've got the solution to each other's problems. Peter has the technology to ascend Taylor into a glorious machine mind, and Taylor has the mutli tasking power to run everything. Omnissaih Taylor Administrator for benevolent world leader!
They would be less resistant overall, but microprocessors open a margin for transient currents to make a car completely shut down or go crazy without permanent damage, if it flips a few bits or gets the wrong processors to reset. An old car would either be knocked out by something too broken to restart, or keep right on driving with nothing worse than a misfire.
And Masters. And those with PR-unfriendly powers. And...
look, everyone knows that the vast majority of people are above average looking people, and only triggers with easy to aim blasters, precise shaker powers, movers that all have the secondary necessary thinker power, and brutes that turn you into a greek god.
strangers are a myth, after all no one has ever seen a PRT stranger.
Thinker powers might give you the uncontrollable urge to listen to german opera, snort cocaine and play the violin though...
- Location
- Israel
Hard to argue with the Machine Overlord and Hivemind approaches