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I am... slightly disappointed by that tech tree. Sure, the nanomachine transformation had, uh, side effects and was probably not the best way to do that, but he's now immortal and will eventually be a BESRMoW sooner or later ignoring future powers. And he can't replicate the really bullshit stuff of Dragon Ball, even if he weren't taking this week easy. I guess there's still some stuff there, like the Capsules and other utility items and robots (and really I have no idea what else), but it just feels somewhat empty without giant ki attacks and he's really strong compared to a lot of other stuff already at this point. Dragon Ball seems like it should have been earlier?

Or wait, what about those bean thingies that'd give you a powerup? Can he make those? That might be a workaround for the training issue.
 
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I am... slightly disappointed by that tech tree. Sure, the nanomachine transformation had, uh, side effects and was probably not the best way to do that, but he's now immortal and will eventually be a BESRMoW sooner or later ignoring future powers. And he can't replicate the really bullshit stuff of Dragon Ball, even if he weren't taking this week easy. I guess there's still some stuff there, like the Capsules and other utility items and robots (and really I have no idea what else), but it just feels somewhat empty without giant ki attacks.
The infinite generator allows endless ki attacks for androids I believe, so brute force ki attacks are probably still possible, just not actual techniques since they'd take time to practice and learn.
 
The "infinite energy generators" are pretty niffty but there are a few limitations.

1. The Infinite Energy Generator (IEG) has only been shown to produce Ki whether the energy is converted into Ki is debatable but seeing as how 18 said he was draining energy when he was draining Ki I'm going to assume Enegy = Ki.
2. While Infinte, the Generator itself is limited by output. If it wasn't then how did 17 or 18 ever lose.
 
Beyond the ring thing, I don't see any of the other aspects being a problem if the specialty has how to make a Room of Spirit and Time. Inside the building gravity is similar to Earth's, and the moment you step outside it jumps up to 10g, which is lethal for normal humans, so someone talking a wrong turn and heading outside is too risky. If the living area can only be the current size without gravity increasing, then a connected building with a Gravity Machine could likely also have Earth's gravity, increasing the living area. The rings could easily be replaced by a single connected circular rooms with a Gravity Machine, allowing someone to adjust to higher gravities or use higher gravities for testing. This could also prevent someone from stepping outside unless the Gravity matches whichever door is being opened, thus preventing some accidents. Gravity training is basically useless for anyone without regeneration or a high ability to recover, so chances are decent it would only be used for testing if anything.
This is of course assuming that the time dilation and space expansion effect isn't directly related to that increase in gravity and that lessening the gravity wouldn't disrupt those effects.



That being said though yeah some graity manipulation effects would probably be rather useful. Especially for particularly heavy loads that would otherwise require a lot of energy to counteract the weight of. Instead of counteracting its weight you just turn the supporting mechanisms of weight off.
Unless I'm misremembering (entirely possible) they can't make Portals bigger than the ones in-game. Couldn't get an Ultralisk through one. Great for parcels, not so great for freight. Capsules would completely eliminate that weakness.
That just means that the collapsible structure and prefabrication/flat-packing industry would be booming.
Ships are sadly not a viable option with Ziz and Zion around, but the gravity generators would be extremely useful for tinkering.
What about submarines?
Time traveling is something that I won't be introducing in this fic. I just don't like it. I'll also be handling very carefully all 'divine' items, like the Chamber or anything indroduced during Super. Peter will be building some of those items, but it will be an extremely difficult process.

And no Dr. Slump. I was never a fan of it and it works on raw cartoon logic, something I don't want to use.
What about the creation of artificial timelines? Temporary ones I mean. Sort of like time dilation but kind'a sideways. Having two timelines instead of one that's scrunched up to be twice as long on the inside.
Peter is already a mecha-werewolf battle junkie that goes cray-cray during the fool moon, adding to that the DNA of space monkeys battle junkies that go cray-cray during the fool moon could be... problematic. For everyone around him.
I'm pretty sure that it's not exclusive to Saiyans though. For that matter even other combat transformations were shown to not be exclusive to Saiyans. I was just talking about going all Coffee Jawbreaker on people.

Unrelatedly, and somewhat inspired by the Namekian combat transformation equivalent, I bet that being able to absorb people for their mind and energy would be a good function for the Flesh Loom. Straight up make people some new brains. No need to fiddle around with removing bits to replace them.



Unrelatedly though it's a shame that Peter never ended up making the Cores from Portal. That'd probably be a good way to siphon off and/or quarantine those aggressive impulses.
There's another potential technology from Dragonball that no one's mentioned: the dragonballs themselves, which were created by the Namekians. I don't think Peter is going to get the ability to summon a giant wish-granting dragon but it would be pretty funny.
Would be a decent way to get a Nydus Worm equivalent.
ou could always rewrite or continue the quest as a story. I've seen other QM's do that when they really like a concept but the quest mechanic's don't work out.

Or you could switch to a mechanicless quest format. Basically get rid of stats and stuff and instead of having people vote for every choice just have them vote for general stuff and use the winning vote/s purely as a writing prompt.
Limited Influence has a interesting dynamic with its voter-base.
I don't know if an mentioned it but the energy absorbing lenses from Gero and the fatty android would be very useful against behemoth.

I'm just idly daydreaming about two cybor designs for our favourite emotionless machine and the AI that loves him. For Colin we have the FBIP class android (F*#k Behemoth in Particular) and for Dragon the 2CG class android (Colin's Canadian Girlfriend)
Well sure if the energy absorbing mechanism is universal for all types of energy. I should think that you'd need to do a lot of research for each type of energy conversion if nothing else.
Was that really always there? And is emojis just how his human mind perceives the new emotional data sense?
It's how Peters brain in particular interprets the information.

Really it isn't that surprising. Words mentally connect with different abstractions, reassembled and formatted according to the sentence structure your language uses, which themselves are made out of a composite, and different sort of filters a la AND Gates and OR Gates and whatnot, of memories. Just straight up interpreting information in the form of visualizations/references/memes is more efficient then that and emojis and memes are perfect for that sort of visualization shortcut.
And the first thing you should build is the perpetual motion machine from the androids. Given some of them were defeated I assume a Perpetual Motion Machine has a upper limit to how much it can produce per a certain size. But at least you solve the energy crisis for yourself and make your Shard spring crystal because of it.
I believe that it's more likely to be a matter of throughput. If containment fails you end up with a pretty big boom after all.
And OMG! The Senzu Beans!
Tree Of Might or Yemma Traa Fruit would probably be a better source of super-foods. I'm picturing a bonsai version about the size of a small tower absolutely packed with energy generators.
Super kinda killed that idea by making 17 be able to match SSB Goku with training. It's not a fixed output and seems like biological ki generation in that they can weaken if they get lazy or stronger if they train.
It seems like engineering ones-self for optimal performance and then training ones-self into it is the best way to game the setting.
The "infinite energy generators" are pretty niffty but there are a few limitations.

1. The Infinite Energy Generator (IEG) has only been shown to produce Ki whether the energy is converted into Ki is debatable but seeing as how 18 said he was draining energy when he was draining Ki I'm going to assume Enegy = Ki.
2. While Infinte, the Generator itself is limited by output. If it wasn't then how did 17 or 18 ever lose.
Ignoring the moment that biology also seems to have limited throughput, depending on refinement of course, you seem to have the relationship between squares and rectangles interpreted backwards there.
 
You could always rewrite or continue the quest as a story. I've seen other QM's do that when they really like a concept but the quest mechanic's don't work out.
Maybe, but that would need heavy rewrite. A key cornerstone of the quest was the player's ability to talk directly to Dinah through the quest box and flat-out tell her about what's happening around the world, and spoil the entire thing if so they wished.
It was kind of a pity that no one ever gave her the mission to just contact Cauldron, I had plans for that.

Maybe I should start over and replace the entire XP system with something different. Maybe 'mealstone' rewards or something like that.
So will there be any DBZ abridged influences?
Uh? What would you want to see from DBZA that wasn't in the original one?
He could make a fast trip to get Annette's fresh DNA?
If Peter built the time machine (he wont) and traveled back to the past to get Annette's DNA, that would open a massive can of worms with Danny and Taylor over if they want a clone to replace her.
Was that really always there? And is emojis just how his human mind perceives the new emotional data sense?
Yes, it was hinted at when Peter dived deep inside the Poppy-buster some chapters ago. The emojis are just his brain translating for him.
Will he make a male android just to prove he can do something other than fembots?
He'll first work on upgrades before even considering building something new.
He rejected my suggestion of feeding the people of Brockton via muffin button. :(
In Uriah Olathaire's voice: but muffins aren't even that good.
it just feels somewhat empty without giant ki attacks
If I didn't have plans for there to be beam-struggles in the sky, I wouldn't have considered DBZ as a possible tech tree.
This is of course assuming that the time dilation and space expansion effect isn't directly related to that increase in gravity and that lessening the gravity wouldn't disrupt those effects.
There is this theory that gravity and time are one and the same.
What about submarines?
Not sure how that'd help, mecha-zerg can already survive underwater and harvest resources there.
What about the creation of artificial timelines?
How exactly? Like Coil's power?
Again, that's something I just don't want to deal with.
I'm pretty sure that it's not exclusive to Saiyans though.
Maybe not but they are by far the best fighters in the DB Universe.
Unrelatedly, and somewhat inspired by the Namekian combat transformation equivalent, I bet that being able to absorb people for their mind and energy would be a good function for the Flesh Loom. Straight up make people some new brains. No need to fiddle around with removing bits to replace them.
There would be sooo many laws and ethical arguments over the creation of (maybe) thinking (maybe) living brains whose only purpose in life is to be consumed.
 
Honestly a good thing to make using DBZ tech tree that isn't Bulmas capsule Corp tech, Or Geros Android tech, because those are the obvious choices let's be real here. Would be the Frieza force Arm Canon, a machine that gives the average nook a power level of around 2000, stronger than Raditz (not saying much) but in context of how strong end of original Dragon ball the power levels were, 2000 is MASSIVE and the fact anyone wearing the arm canon is automatically given around that level of power. Not just in terms of firing but in durability, general strength, and flight.

Again I k ow it's not much compared to the other stuff but I think that WHY it's good, the other stuff would be leaguers higher, but the fact this is low tier makes it easier to access and make, and again 2000 in the context of us puny earthlings is basically god like. And if your worries about no control being hooked up to a scouter let's it's power be adjusted to appropriate levels depending on power level, if you set it to automatic at least, there's obviously settings so you can just blast however hard or as softly as you want
 
If Peter built the time machine (he wont) and traveled back to the past to get Annette's DNA, that would open a massive can of worms with Danny and Taylor over if they want a clone to replace her.
If they want to claim that a fork of a person is different from the person themself, and for reference there's already legal rulings that a simulation of a mind is a mind in and of itself IRL, then they can do it to their face.
Not sure how that'd help, mecha-zerg can already survive underwater and harvest resources there.
Well you suggested that the Simurgh would have been a problem for ships so my immediate assumption was that the further a seacraft was from the sky the less of a problem that would be.
How exactly? Like Coil's power?
Again, that's something I just don't want to deal with.
More like Labyrinths power. DBZ Time Travel involves making new timelines with every time-travel as one interacts with their past in a way that couldn't result in the version of themself that did so. Naturally to make a DBZ style time travel machine in a universe that didn't support time working that way, timelines being generated that way, one would need to artificially make those timelines.
Maybe not but they are by far the best fighters in the DB Universe.
Doesn't make them the best Antmans in the universe.
There would be sooo many laws and ethical arguments over the creation of (maybe) thinking (maybe) living brains whose only purpose in life is to be consumed.
Er. No. I mean that you'd want to have a machine consume a persons brain, and presumably the rest of them, to get the information needed to make the brain of their new body in the shape of their mind (software being a matter of hardware configuration).

That being said though simply making a persons new body able to absorb them into it and/or absorb itself into a person, possibly complete with partial engrams a la eclipse phase Skillware, does sound a lot better then phyrexifying them.
The trick is you put the clone in the car and just bring the original back
Or just scanning backwards in time to get their engram and making them a new body in the future.
 
Peter is already a mecha-werewolf battle junkie that goes cray-cray during the fool moon, adding to that the DNA of space monkeys battle junkies that go cray-cray during the fool moon could be... problematic. For everyone around him.
And yet I want to see a giant wolf.
Aisha is. She's always the cool one.
They will let that tech out.
With 1 gear Heavy Gear giveth, and with another Heavy Gear taketh away.
Ships are sadly not a viable option with Ziz and Zion around, but the gravity generators would be extremely useful for tinkering.
But not forever. He will want that ship the moment spaceflight is no longer tabood! Think of all those free resources his astronomer drones can get for him.
Aren't Zion and Ziz limited to near earth orbit?
Wouldnt doing something like teleporting to near Mars or so make Spaceships a viable thing?
I don't think we ever got a canon answer to that. Maybe they wouldn't care, maybe they'd destroy it. But it's not like it's relevant because right now Peter doesn't have any means for interplanetary teleportation.
Good point. A Namekian ship can pop him and his Astro Drones to another planet or the astroids in an instant. Practically short range teleportation. If by short you mean local solar system. As useful as the capsules are I doubt they can be used on people in any way. He'll have a whole new way to transport people and goods here and there individually and in masses.
, the Dragonballs are definitely beyond what he can do.
But if they weren't? What kind of Dragon 🐲 would form from Aisha as the...focus? Master? Whatever Kami served as.

Mind you, ki can't be increased by technology, it needs to be trained, so Peter would have no interest on it.
Newt The Fight Taylor Brian would be though. What if he made a Turret with Ki powers?
If biological processes are easy to replicate like Ki then what about the Instant Transmission power specifically? Is there a Tech for that?
Uh? What would you want to see from DBZA that wasn't in the original one?
A few possible things. Albino\White Martians Namekians. A sassy 🐉 that gets real tired of being summoned for people with shit common sense in how to leverage the wishes to solve their problems. Given Peter's desires over autonomy of thought he'd probably make the dragon a free agent rather than a Pokemon. Perhaps all the Dragon clan Namekians do is summon them from another parallel? The ability for Peter to become Perfect Peter by (temporarily) voreing his teammates and family with his new tail. What song would he sing? The ability for his Drones to absorb each other to increase their powers then the absorbed just has to wait for a new body to be built for transfer. Also maybe quite possibly Mr. Popo? If that's not too dangerous?
I believe that it's more likely to be a matter of throughput. If containment fails you end up with a pretty big boom after all.
The boom when they were destroyed was never that big.
Maybe not but they are by far the best fighters in the DB Universe.
There ain't no Ki like a Saiyans Ki cuz a Saiyans Ki don't stop!
I agree. If you want a Ki system for yourself Saiyan is the way to go.
Given Peter's newfound desires to go out and help would he really be against training Ki? At the very least installing Saiyan Ki so they all get stronger with every survived damage.
There would be sooo many laws and ethical arguments over the creation of (maybe) thinking (maybe) living brains whose only purpose in life is to be consumed.
But it is different for Drones because they are already a Hive Mind. And they are already partly biological. And especially if you use the DBZA version.
 
N: Next chapter, Mama Mathers' Interlude
Okay... So does Peter hard counter Mama Mathers as he's a robot? I presume the whole hive network will be affected at once by her ability, but with directed commands by Peter to override it might not be too bad? Also I'd hope the network being within her effect would be enough to overwhelm Mathers or something because of how much info there is to control. Then again this is just hypothetical and who knows what'll happen.

Also, we have Dragonball!!! Hyperbolic Time Chamber for tinkering, anyone? Now Peter doesn't have to detract from time with friends for that!
 
I don't intend to. Nothing that is flat-out divine Peter will be able to copy 1-to-1. He can try to create something that generates a similar effect, but nowhere near as efficient or even useful.
I mean, at least for the room where time is expanded there's an actual technological example in Jako the Galactic Patrolman, the one that could relatively stop time. Time Machine
So that's something without diminished efficiency.
 
i hope peter gets either mgln for the devices and magic or x men to give taylor, lisa and aisha an x gene so they can have at least alpha level mutation, like lisa getting either telepathy or telekinesis. or diamond body, aisha getting the x 23 treatment with regen and super sharp claws or shadowcats power, and maybe taylor getting either the ability to super size her bugs making them super strong and fast or maybe either quicksilvers speed or nightcrawlers teleportation, hell even cyclops kinetic eyebeams
 
because those are the obvious choices let's be real here.
Something being obvious doesn't make it bad. Sometimes something is obvious because how good it is.
With that said, the scouters and the cannons are great devices to mass-produce, but do take into account that the cannons are based on the default power level of the user. You can't give the farmer with a shotgun one of those and send him to defeat Raditz because with his power level the blaster shot would be a peashooter. If Peter wants to arm an army with those he'll need to conect them to a different power source.
Well you suggested that the Simurgh would have been a problem for ships so my immediate assumption was that the further a seacraft was from the sky the less of a problem that would be.
No, no, Ziz (or Zion) would stop interplanetary travel, they have no problem with planes. And the idea of spaceships is to get out of the planet, something that sinking into the ocean doesn't accomplish.
Er. No. I mean that you'd want to have a machine consume a persons brain, and presumably the rest of them, to get the information needed to make the brain of their new body in the shape of their mind (software being a matter of hardware configuration).

That being said though simply making a persons new body able to absorb them into it and/or absorb itself into a person, possibly complete with partial engrams a la eclipse phase Skillware, does sound a lot better then phyrexifying them.
I... am sorry, I got lost. What exactly do you want to accomplish with this? Because it sounds like you just want an easy way to turn people into robots, something that Peter already can do.
The Muffin button my dude
Yeah, not happening.
But not forever. He will want that ship the moment spaceflight is no longer tabood! Think of all those free resources his astronomer drones can get for him.
There will be a long time before that becomes a concern, until then he has far more important stuff to allocate his limited resources into.
Good point. A Namekian ship can pop him and his Astro Drones to another planet or the astroids in an instant. Practically short range teleportation. If by short you mean local solar system. As useful as the capsules are I doubt they can be used on people in any way. He'll have a whole new way to transport people and goods here and there individually and in masses.
Still, we have no idea if Ziz or Zion would try to stop something like this.
But if they weren't? What kind of Dragon 🐲 would form from Aisha as the...focus? Master? Whatever Kami served as.
Who in their right mind would make Aisha god?
And considering that the only ones we saw creating Dragon Balls were Kami, the Namekian Elder, and Dende, it's possible that you need to be pure of heart to create them. If that's the case, they need to search somewhere else.
Given Peter's newfound desires to go out and help would he really be against training Ki?
When stuff like Gero's androids and the Big Gete Star are available to him? Yes.
But it is different for Drones because they are already a Hive Mind. And they are already partly biological. And especially if you use the DBZA version.
No DBZA!
Okay... So does Peter hard counter Mama Mathers as he's a robot?
You will know next episode.
I mean, at least for the room where time is expanded there's an actual technological example in Jako the Galactic Patrolman, the one that could relatively stop time. Time Machine
So that's something without diminished efficiency.
No time machines! Please, stop asking for this. It's not going to happen.
 
And considering that the only ones we saw creating Dragon Balls were Kami, the Namekian Elder, and Dende, it's possible that you need to be pure of heart to create them. If that's the case, they need to search somewhere else.
The Nameless Namekian, or whatever he was called, created a set of Dragon Balls before splitting into Piccolo and Kami, but they destroy the planet you're on after one year if not stopped by collecting the set again and wishing to stop it. (GT, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.)
This sounds as the best candidate would be the Dragon already living in Bet
Just remember, the stronger the creator the more powers it can exhibit.
 
Who in their right mind would make Aisha god?
!
Because why wouldn't I?!
"Peter. You gave Aisha an armor that turns her invisible. Why would you give Aisha an armor that turns her invisible?!" Of all the atrocities I've committed, this is the one that worries her?

"Just imagine the unspeakable horrors she'll submit our enemies to!" This is the girl who drove Heartbreaker, one of the biggest monsters in the setting, to suicide. There are few things more dangerous on Earth Bet than Aisha on a warpath, and I have full intention to monopolize that kind of power.
Hate that I can literally throw your own words back at you for such reasonable arguments don't you? 🎇😈🎆
Correctedn
Something you need to ask yourself here b4 you think that's a good argument.
What does God Kami need with a Spaceship?
What did Kami himself actually do? All I recall was alerting people to problems and be partly involved in their training. He never actually did anything himself and Kami was arguably weaker than most the people who actually did the training otherwise why wouldn't he end global threats himself? Kami is just a position to summon the Dragon. Whoever is Kami was just taking a ceremonial position.
 
What did Kami himself actually do? All I recall was alerting people to problems and be partly involved in their training. He never actually did anything himself and Kami was arguably weaker than most the people who actually did the training otherwise why wouldn't he end global threats himself? Kami is just a position to summon the Dragon. Whoever is Kami was just taking a ceremonial position.
Apparently Kami can report to King Kai of any serious trouble, which by the point it was actually needed the enemies surpassed King Kai's power as well. Just think of him as a manager, so as long as there's no trouble he just watches, and if there's trouble he has to decide if he, or his subordinates, can handle it and whether to push it to his boss.
 
The Nameless Namekian, or whatever he was called, created a set of Dragon Balls before splitting into Piccolo and Kami, but they destroy the planet you're on after one year if not stopped by collecting the set again and wishing to stop it. (GT, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.)
That's even more confirmation that you need to be pure of heart if you don't want troubles.
Hate that I can literally throw your own words back at you for such reasonable arguments don't you? 🎇😈🎆
Oh, but you see, I did say 'in their right mind'.
What did Kami himself actually do? All I recall was alerting people to problems and be partly involved in their training. He never actually did anything himself and Kami was arguably weaker than most the people who actually did the training otherwise why wouldn't he end global threats himself? Kami is just a position to summon the Dragon. Whoever is Kami was just taking a ceremonial position.
Eh... good question. He did get involved with Garlic (Junior and Senior) and helped the team extensively against all major threats, mostly as an advisor. The way I understand it he gets involved whenever he detects any threat to the world as a whole, but usually lets humans deal with human-level problems, like the Red-Ribbon army. The problem was that when we got to the Saiyans Saga they were far above his power level so there wasn't much he could actively do.
And yes, he acts as a middle man with the higher gods, that's how he got Goku to train with King Kai.

Uh, looking back at it he did do a lot. He was basically the Nick Fury of the team.
 
If you had created the six main Sakura Cards and The Hope I'd say use them to replace the Dragon Balls, but you didn't so you unfortunately can't try that. Oh well, I'm sure Peter can make unpowered versions and find an alternative power source later if they want nonstandard Dragon Balls.
 
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Actually the reason I suggested the arm canon is that it AMPLIFIES power level as well


From the wiki
The arm cannon amplifies the user's ki and fires it at a level suiting their battle power, it also allows the user to fly.

Of course base power would effect how big the boost is, but keep in mind even if it brings a normal guy just to end of original Dragon ball Goku THA is still impressive
 
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