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Fracking produces very little oil and is horrible to the environment, so... What about fracking are you asking exactly?
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Raiseth
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She technically is a magical girl and stars in a mecha animated series.
But that also means that there is a stronger push for other types of energy. Or alternatives. Like a portal for transport.
They could keep it on the down low and harvest raw material. Unlike most tinkers he has the setup to actually mine his own resources and a way to get to them discreetly.
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That's a yes here too then
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Try to quote me, as that's the only way I usually know that someone is talking to me on the boards. I'm not an expert on Fracking, but from what I understand it currently produces 59% of the domestic oil in the US. One should consider, however, that the pandemic has destroyed the oil economy here and several oil wells and fields have been abandoned, if only for the time being.
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Mmm, I'll need to look into how to do this, but it's still not an option Peter would immediately jump for because he doesn't really see the need yet.
So... exactly as it is now?
I am kidding but not as much as I'd like.
The thing that maters the most at the end is money. Is someone comes with a big bag of it we'll sell to them while also complaining about 'Evil imperialism'.
I'll need to think more on this.
You know, this is the problem with Worm. It says a lot of stuff about how the world changed because of capes and EBs but we don't really see realistic effects of that change. Like, yes, shipping industry died and a lot of people in BB lost their jobs, but we never see alternatives for that. We don't see people trully adapting and testing new things. Air transportation should be a bigger thing but it's never mentioned, same with more green energies.
What the heck is wrong with them?
Even if we don't burn it oil is still very important for, well, oils and plastics.
Less unwilling and more an indecisive jerk who seems to enjoy leading girls by the nose and not commiting to anything.
Yes but he doesn't need portals for that. He's next to the ocean and can just send the drones to harvest it.
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Mhmnm. Right, well apparently Cauldron is the reason for that on Earth Bet. Contessa followed a path that something, someone, somewhere, for who knows what reason ended up destabilizing the governments and apparently South America makes it's money trafficking people and Tinker Drugs.
I think it's a similar issue with sea travel. Ziz is in the sky. And she did take out a plane if I am not mistaken. Not that it would stop air travel, it's just that with most of the world unstable or controlled by warlords there are a lot more risks involved.
Don't forget that trading with China is off the table now.
Air transportation is much more expensive. And air planes use a lot of fuel, which I can imagine is only more expensive in Earth Bet. I think Taylor never flew on a plane before becoming a cape.
Seriously though, it wouldn't make sense for Taylor or really any of the characters to list the impact of the Endbringers or comparing Earth Bet to Earth Aleph. I don't randomly muse about all the impact of a specific historic event unless I'm reading alternative history fanfiction.
But this is your fan fiction! So you get to muse about all those differences that the inhabitants of Earth Bet just accept as normal. It's always interesting to see those little details included in the story. I remember reading one fan fic that mentioned everything was geared towards shorter term investments, like banks max home loan lasting 10 year loans (US banks regularly lend 30 year loans now). Even regular things were more expensive and harder to get, from cell phones to birth control.
Actually, thinking about the situation in Earth Bet makes the Portal Logistics company sound like an even better idea. I think I remember a fan fiction where the self insert paid a tinker to maintain a single portal between New York and Columbia so he could import coffee.
Worm isn't a story about economics. It is the love story about Armsmaster and Dragon that's frequently interrupted by the inner monologue of depressed teenage girl.
Seriously though, it wouldn't make sense for Taylor or really any of the characters to list the impact of the Endbringers or comparing Earth Bet to Earth Aleph. I don't randomly muse about all the impact of a specific historic event unless I'm reading alternative history fanfiction.
But this is your fan fiction! So you get to muse about all those differences that the inhabitants of Earth Bet just accept as normal. It's always interesting to see those little details included in the story. I remember reading one fan fic that mentioned everything was geared towards shorter term investments, like banks max home loan lasting 10 year loans (US banks regularly lend 30 year loans now). Even regular things were more expensive and harder to get, from cell phones to birth control.
Actually, thinking about the situation in Earth Bet makes the Portal Logistics company sound like an even better idea. I think I remember a fan fiction where the self insert paid a tinker to maintain a single portal between New York and Columbia so he could import coffee.
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Realistically, lol, shipping dying out would have made the financial crises of the recent years look like a bunch of kids crying about losing their lunch money.
But, to be serious, the USA would have been a lot worse off than shown in the story, and yes, I'm saying that while remembering the S9, the Endbringers, the Cauldron, Brockton Bay, the Fallen, etcetera etcetera. A lot worse.
Edit: okay, super-realistically, I imagine the corporations wouldn't even have stopped their shipping operations just because a pesky Cthulhoid monster sinks a bunch of their ships with all hands lost every once in awhile. It's that or going bankrupt overnight.
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*debates the benefit of listing the number of harem anime with unwilling participants and sounding smart against revealing just how much of trash anime he watched in his heydays*
Yeah... I don't know any either... right.
Leviathan attacks coastal cities, but it doesn't go out of it's way to destroy international shipping. I imagine the impact would be a huge disruption to supply lines, higher insurance, and more difficult financing maybe.
In real life, the Suez Canal was blocked for a few days. Ships diverted around Africa instead. World economy and shipping didn't collapse, but it did cost billions in delays and spoiled goods.
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One day I'll need to sit down and think long and hard about how we'd realistically react to capes. But I'm fairly sure that if superpowers became real here in Argentina we'd abandon all pretenses, name a king, and established a feudal system. Then we'd keep acting superior to everyone else despite having nothing to show for it.
You know, screw that! It's a well known fact that no economic book or theory survives one look at Argentina, so I'm claiming right now that we're doing fine in Worm by virtue of looking at what everyone else is doing and saying 'yeah, we're not going to do that'.
And in this universe we did manage to get an European princes to marry one of use and kickstart the first Argentinian noble house.
I really don't know about the subject, I'll need to research more, but could blimps make a comeback in this scenario?
I do respect Ranma because he has a personality and his obsession is martial arts, and sees romance as an obstacle for that. So it makes sense why he doesn't pick a girl. Besides the fact that they're all insane and scary, and not in the sexy way.
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Pretty much, yeah. Even if there was a viable alternative to relatively cheaply transport massive amounts of goods in bulk between continents, and there isn't, not really, well, I rather think shipping corporations would invest money in spreading misinformation about how transport by air is really dangerous, look at the statistics, and Simurgh really likes destroying planes too, we swear.
It's what Peter will have to fight against in the next few months/years, the established business tycoons doing everything to smother his cheap and safe transportation method in its crib. Not that they would succeed, even without a Zerg army, but it's what has been usually done when something new was introduced in our history.
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I have long stated support for dirigible airships in shipping. Tinkers should be able to make it work even easier by use of negative mass or a vacuum to provide buoyancy.
Blimps take a long time and are an easy target to any flying cape.
Though I am not sure how affected flights would be. The fuel used by planes is not the same as other vehicles, so when the refine oil they will get what they need (I don't know enough about plane file to tell if it needs to be further refined or not).
On the other hand people are extracting less oil, and then again there are less flights which would be both good and bad. Good as in less file being used up so less demand and lower price, but it also means less people produce it so more expensive and you have less flights so the cost of a ticket in general would be more expensive.
I am assuming railway would make a comeback as the biggest cross state transport for both people and cargo. Even now it's used a lot for transporting goods. Specially since trains can be adapted to different files more easily.
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Well, after the Suez Channel problem some companies started to look again to them. And some were doing it even before. They aren't as slow as you would think if you take into account that they could go over places that the ships can't.
Just saying.
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Well, since it was brought up, here's my stab at what's missing from economics:
The performance of services and transfer of resources can be done for reasons of devotion, trade, or coercion. It has been a goal of government since the dawn of human history to persuade those subject to the government that taxes are paid out of devotion or at worst trade, rather than 'I will bash you over the head with the rock I'm holding if you don't hand over what I demand'. It has also been the goal of government throughout human history to get a cut of every trade or devotional transfer undertaken by those self same subjects.
('Boon works', in the European feudal system, were extra labors performed by serfs to their lord 'out of love' for all that he did for them.)
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I'd like to think that an unfettered Dragon would quickly get economic zeppelins for cargo-hauling on undeveloped worlds. If I ever get rich enough to fund 'wouldn't it be nice if XYZ?', that's one of the things I'd be looking at.
The performance of services and transfer of resources can be done for reasons of devotion, trade, or coercion. It has been a goal of government since the dawn of human history to persuade those subject to the government that taxes are paid out of devotion or at worst trade, rather than 'I will bash you over the head with the rock I'm holding if you don't hand over what I demand'. It has also been the goal of government throughout human history to get a cut of every trade or devotional transfer undertaken by those self same subjects.
('Boon works', in the European feudal system, were extra labors performed by serfs to their lord 'out of love' for all that he did for them.)
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I'd like to think that an unfettered Dragon would quickly get economic zeppelins for cargo-hauling on undeveloped worlds. If I ever get rich enough to fund 'wouldn't it be nice if XYZ?', that's one of the things I'd be looking at.
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Currently, if he wants slow floaty-things to carry goods, there's always the Mecha Zerg Overlord.
If there was ever a tech tree that screams the word zeppelin as loudly as a fraternity guy can shout the word beer, it'd be Command and Conquer. Well, that, and the mind control, and the giant squids, and Tiberium, and Tim Curry shouting SPACE...
Kirov reporting.
If there was ever a tech tree that screams the word zeppelin as loudly as a fraternity guy can shout the word beer, it'd be Command and Conquer. Well, that, and the mind control, and the giant squids, and Tiberium, and Tim Curry shouting SPACE...
Kirov reporting.
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That's the funny thing about blimp: yes, they are easy to hit (they are big and slow), but they are very resilient to damage. They will lose gas you punch holes in it, but they will lose it slowly enough to continue to fly for quite some time.
And Jame bond expy, cloned psychic japanese schoolgirls in sailor fuku, attack bears, transforming mecha, chronospheres, meteo controlling device, magnetic satellites...
...in short, everything campy, cheesy, and hilarious (at least for Red Alert - the main line of game was a lot more bo... serious)
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Honestly, I doubt it. Some light research has shown that there are a number of reasons that airships aren't really used anymore, though it boils down to three reasons: cost, speed, and convenience.
Blimps are apparently hideously expensive to build and maintain. The helium gas that's needed to ensure that the ship actually floats can cost something like $100,000. That's not even including all of the money that needs to be spent on maintenance and hiring somebody actually capable of flying the airship. There apparently aren't that many who can fly them anymore, like 128 in the U.S alone, and we haven't had murder hobos and kaiju killing them off.
The speed is fairly obvious. It's a giant floating balloon, you're not going to be able to get it moving very fast. People expect to be able to get their goods fairly quick, which we have cargo planes for already. The fastest speed of an airship we have on record is 71 MPH. A cargo plane can go over 600 miles per hour.
Airships do not like bad weather (or even mildly inconvenient weather, as far as I can tell). They can really only fly on relatively calm days, with winds at 20 knots (23 MPH) or below for safety. They also can't fly in thunderstorms and snow/ice will ground it. Low lying clouds can keep an airship from flying as well. They're more finicky and delicate than a plane.
That's what I was able to find. Hopefully I haven't missed anything really important.