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Freezing something in space who's mind and powers stretch from another dimension proooobably wouldn't work, I'd say.
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Shadow Archon
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Bakuda's time-stop bombs explicitly work on Endbringers in WoG, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
This is exactly what the mob did back in the Golden era. A good portion of the "funding" they happened across went back into their communities. It was generally easier, and faster, to ask Fat Tony for some help with the bills, or pay for grandmas operation, than it was to ask for government help.
Of course, this was done so they wouldn't have to worry about pushback and to boost thier public image so people would ignore the more terrible things that happened. But we'll just gloss over that
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I wouldn't be so sure, freeze a body- yes, but the core is, IIRC, dimensionaly shielded. Gray Boy was able to permanently imprison EBs, not destroy them, it can be that chrono-weapon will erase all layers of "puppet" only for the unaffected core to immediately start growing new.
And that is the worst part of it.
Shadow Archon
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It doesn't matter if the Core is dimensionally shielded. The weapon has no dimensional effects. It erases things from time. It's basically a boot-leg De-mat gun.
The core has bad interactions with powers that explicitly work with space-warping and dimensions, but the Chrono Legionaire's weapon is not one of them.
Edison_Trent
Freelancer
Pfft, why waste time spinning the silk when you can just cover them with warm, fuzzy BEES?
So it was just government on a smaller scale.
OK, ain't no physicist here, so I have no damnable idea which part of "space-time continuum" is space, which one is time and how they should interact with each other, but chrono legionnaire obviously project the lock/erasing effect from his equipment.
What I'm putting to doubt is if this effect should be able to reach the target located in different realm from it's source through the selective permeability portal that, IIRC, is EB core shielding.
It may. It may not.
The Core still interacts with the local timeline, so I would say it would likely work simply for that reason. I guess it could go either way, since you could also make an argument that the core isn't actually there to be interacted with in the first place.
Shadow Archon
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EB Cores don't have shields or selective permeability though. The idea they do is fanon. Where it comes from in canon is when Chevalier's blade broke when hitting a core, but his power explicitly deals with dimension shenanigans, so the two had a bad power-interaction. Chevalier's power is where he takes different objects and can fuse them together and have the combined object have the distinct attributes of the parts that make it up, i.e. the cutting edge of a mono-molecular edged sword, combined with the light weight of an aluminum sword, combined with the size of a giant steel sword. It bumps against the core, and all three swords fall apart into their individual selves. The same reason is why Foil can't use her power on Chevalier's blades. If she does, it falls apart in the same way. But hers ultimately trumps EB cores, and kills them dead. Because Sting OP.
These dimension shenanigans are not the same as dealing with just one universe's Space-Time as the Chrono Legionnaire's gun does. There's no fusing multiple dimensions together or whatnot. Reminder, that this is the same technology that lets Einstein go back in time with only what he has available in the 50s, kill Hitler in the 20s, and create a parallel universe of a different WW2, something that is beyond the Entities' capabilities. Red Alert 1 chrono tech supports an infinite mutli-verse theory, and actively creates new universes when used. In the Westwood Bible, that's how Yuri created the Red Alert 2 universe by time-traveling from the Tiberium universe. They both still exist, and one is not supplanted by the other.
It clearly surpasses the Entities own manipulation of time due to the fact it is way more efficient, and the fact the Entities have a limited number of universes they can travel to. Also, of course, there is no continent-wide crystal growth supporting the Chrono Legionaire's tech. He can travel through space and erase things in the time stream with only the stuff strapped to his person made with stuff from an alternate 1970s.
Foil's powers, Chevalier's powers, and the EB Cores are dealing with manipulating separate universes' space-times to an extent where they overlap and condense down into one space-time. When these condensed balls of multiple space-times interact by making direct contact with one another, the greater-one generally causes the inferior-one to fail. Foil > EB Core > Chevalier. That's the only reason why those powers stop working when touching an EB core.
A Chrono Gun's effect in theory should not have a similar failure as it's not manipulating multiple space-times, and won't fall apart when brushing up against an EB core. It's erasing matter from time itself, and theoretically should not care if the target inhabits multiple space-times. It'll just erase it all the same, though it might take longer if there's a ton of material to go through.
Now, ultimately, given there's no concrete answer since the gun itself has little to no fluff and hasn't been stress tested, the author can totally write it however they want. They could even limit Tinker of Fiction by having it all be Shard-based tech, and thus the Chrono-Gun Peter builds wouldn't be a True Chrono-Gun but an Entity bastardization of one that doesn't operate 100% like it should, and thus have such limits when interacting with other Entity stuff.
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Hasn't the implication (and I might be wrong here) that for the most part all of the tech produced in this fic is a shard replicating if not the technology then the effect? If they had access to the original of what you're saying, they'd have cracked their grand problem. The instant they discovered that piece of technology they'd pop Earth like a balloon and scoot scoot into infinite fractal multiverses.
That feels like a fairly ignoble end to this story, haha.
Edison_Trent
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That is correct, all the tech trees are basically Peter's shard looking at the show/story/whatever and going "Well, here's how I would make that happen." and then giving him the blueprints.
Shadow Archon
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Well, for one, they can't pop Earth like a balloon. Scion is literally incapable of returning to his Warrior self as he lacks the shard to pull powers back, so he physically can't end the cycle like normal. That was Eden's job, and she dead. The cycle in Worm is broken, and is not operating as it should. So, even if they do figure out the solution here? There is no Entity able to even use it going forward. The threat is Scion going nuts and killing Earths in his golden body, not him going "Fuck it" and blowing up every earth in the multiverse like a normal cycle would end.
Two, it hasn't been directly stated yet that Peter's shard is operating under normal cycle rules. It's possible, but some of the tech options he's had already are a bit way beyond what shards should let normal tinkers have. Unshackled AI, Von Neumann swarms, etc. These aren't things normal shard hosts are generally allowed to play with without tons of rules limiting them. For example, Richter was super paranoid about Dragon because of his shard, and that's why he made Ascalon. Nilbog doesn't actually participate in normal conflict stuff like other parahumans because his shard wants him to stay put and not mess up the cycle for everyone. Things like that. Unlike Addy in "I want a refund," who's completely influenced into being a crazy person by their version of Tinker of Fiction, Peter is amazingly stable in comparison. He makes bad decisions still, but not "Wow, that's some shard fuckery right there."
And there's multiple ways you can get past it being tech that's just a shard imitation. You could have Peter's Shard be an Abaddon shard that doesn't give a crap about the cycle, a shard that only just recently had their Eureka moment with no Eden to actually capatlize on it, or even a reprogrammed shard being a vehicle by unknown third-actors (responsible for Peter even being in Worm) in an attempt to poison the cycle and kill the entities involved. There's definitely ways you can keep it a "Shard" but not have it operate under normal Shard rules.
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So who would be Xibalba?
Poliamida
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A court of dark gods that reside in the underground?
I think that the Mecha Zerg could play the part. Even more so if they later get upgraded with Horizon Zero Dawn tech.
Hmmm, while this is bad.... I'm sure having a slightly leaky shelter is much better than having no shelter at all.
So it's an alliance or will both teams get's absorbed into one? Also tbh I would had loved for Pete to make a clone now that is actually full on Bellisarius to confuse Tats further 
Also @Poliamida TYPO's
Also @Poliamida TYPO's
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So it's an alliance or will both teams get's absorbed into one? Also tbh I would had loved for Pete to make a clone now that is actually full on Bellisarius to confuse Tats further
Adding the US means 8 capes (counting Aisha and The Fight but not Cawl) that's something serious none of the old powers in the city is going to like.
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With any luck it'll just be a tentative agreement not to try and screw each other over and not a merge, that and the PRT might actually be inclined to do something if and when they find out about a possible merger, so a few degrees of separation is best.
Given that Aisha has no plan of leaving Heavy Gear and Brian is unlikely to leave her alone now that he knows what she is doing, 100% Sure Grue will be around. Regent might stay for the lolz. Rachel won't care as long as her dogs are fed and healed. Lisa will probably find some excuse to stay so it's only a matter of time that their teams merge.
Considering that Aisha is Grue's whole purpose for villainy? Yeah that's a given.
Basically a job/comforts which Heavy gear can provide.
I think she wanted to become 'information queen' plus all those threats Techpriest had discussed.
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Ah, Aperture Science. Why use a sprinkler system when you can be incredibly overdramatic and flood the entire room. Hey, the fire's out, clearly it worked. Ignore the drowned people. Cave Johnson says 'They woulda just died anyhow! Now they get to die in the service of SCIENCE!'
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This brings me great joy in reading this
Uh, yeah, making a habitat module while under the influence of Aperture Science configuration might not have been the best move. I'd be surprised if the only potential problem was leaking, and probably only has 'few', 'non-lethal' problems because they're just wall legos with a bit of pipes for circuitry and water and power production, water purification, pumps etc are all outside.
I bet Armsmaster is examining a prefab house disdainfully with Dragon (who likes the idea but has some concerns and tweaks) but they do nothing, and are useless, as usual from the start of Worm to the end of Ward.
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Okay, so, this is a question about an old chapter but would the Science Fair, had they gone, been a trap?
Like something the Protectorate uses to potentially bait or find tinkers?
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