Isn't Tekla's Diplomacy 20?
Cormag is the one with Diplomacy of 18.
So with Tekla we should have a 23 before rolls, with a 50% chance of success?
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Isn't Tekla's Diplomacy 20?
Cormag is the one with Diplomacy of 18.
So with Tekla we should have a 23 before rolls, with a 50% chance of success?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
Oh yeah, I keep giving those confused because which one we are using keeps changing, sometimes without us being informed beforehand.
Updated: It has a 50% chance. 20 (Tekla's Diplo) +2 (Enchanting Vestments) +1 (Local Spirit Buff) = 23. Also Enchanting Vestments also limits how high we can get our bonuses for it. The highest we could get it is 27 with 20 (Tekla) +3 (Free Action) +3 (Major Boon) +1 (Local Spirit Buff).
Sirrocco
Pedantic
I'm going to note that even failing diplomacy against the Westerlies might be useful. Right now, we've utterly ignored them while going to the Easterlies... with whom they are in a war to the knife. Trying and failing might be a bit of a setback, but it would at least not be as directly hostile as continuing to neglect them like that... leading them to believe (more or less correctly) that we'd decided that they were an enemy and started to treat them as such.
We're trying to reduce the number of nobles committing treason, not increase it... and having a state of undeclared war between us and the greater chunk of the nobility when that ship shows up is... probably going to be somewhat unhelpful.
We're trying to reduce the number of nobles committing treason, not increase it... and having a state of undeclared war between us and the greater chunk of the nobility when that ship shows up is... probably going to be somewhat unhelpful.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It could also be worse to try and fail than to not try at all. Not trying could just leave us at the status quo while failing to diplo them could result in backlash such them deciding that we are their enemies or them taking a hostile stance towards us.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
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- Zombie World
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[X] Plan Focus on Oskaria
[x] Oshha
It looked likethe one with the most focus on Ophelia?
It looked likethe one with the most focus on Ophelia?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sort of since all plans have a single action devoted to healing her, but mine has the one most likely to succeed. My plan goes for the easier Diplo action to get healing for Ophelia (auto-pass) while the other plans go for the hard Piety action to get healing for Ophelia (roll of 50+ required).
That's incorrect again. You keep on saying that other plans have a greater chance of failure than they do. And it's a significant difference.
The DC is 27, Cormage has Piety of 22, and the Wintercore Wand is explicitly mentioned in the option as applying, which means we get +3, so a roll of 20 or above will pass. That's an 80% chance of success, not 50%.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, it is you who is incorrect this time. The option does not state that the Wintercore Wand will apply its bonus to that action. Please read what is actually in the option before making erroneous assumptions.
Looks to me like it says Cormag is planning on using the Wintercore Wand.
It seems like you are the one not reading the options.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
Nowhere in there it does explicitly state the bonus from the Wintercore Wand is applying to the roll like you wrongly claimed it does.
While it might seem like I am not reading the option, it is fact that you have not.
In any case, citation required the Wintercore Wand applies its bonus to that action if you are going to make that claim.
Already covered in the thread.
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[X] Plan Focus on Oskaria
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
For the record: Elder Haman's interpretation is correct, and the Wintercore Wand will apply its bonus to the action.
Cease sniping before I introduce Event Chain 6 "The Wrath of the QM".
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
In the future to avoid situations like this, can you put in the option when an item is going to apply mechanical bonuses outside of its stated effects?
Sirrocco
Pedantic
I'm just going to say... this is not the time for you to be doubling down.
Step back a bit, take a breather, and then come back once you've gotten some perspective on things.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm just asking the QM to clarify in uncertain situations like this in the future to avoid arguments like the one that just happened. How is that doubling down or requiring a breather? What is wrong with wanting the QM to keep unnecessary arguments taking places because that is all that my post is about?
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
Well, I was trying to go light on you, but if you're going to insist, I will tell you what you did.
- You were being kind of aggressive at insisting that @Elder Haman's plan was terrible, because of failure rates.
- He called you on being incorrect on one of those failure rates.
- You insisted you were not.
- He pointed out strong evidence that you were. (Let's be realistic. When the flavor text says "you have the Wintercore Wand. You can totally do this", then there's a reasonable expectation that the Wintercore Wand will be helpful in doing this. That's completely aside from the fact that the action said nothing about invoking spirits, which is the main piety thing that the Wintercore Wand doesn't help with.)
- You insisted that that wasn't proof, and demanded that he show you proof.
- The QM came in personally to tell you that no, you were wrong, and ask everyone to chill.
- You immediately turned around and asked that the QM spend additional effort on every options post in the future to lay out exactly which items apply mechanical bonuses to which options, as if to imply that it totally wasn't your fault, was totally nonobvious, and the QM was the one in the wrong for the whole situation... because clearly it couldn't possibly have been you.
I'm not sure what has you so dialed in on this where you can't let yourself take a hit when you're obviously in the wrong. I'm going to assume that it's related to coronavirus stress, because basically everyone's dealing with entirely too much coronavirus stress all the time these days. You have my sympathy. We all have my sympathy. Still, I'm going to suggest that you dial it back some, and my suggested technique for doing that is to step back and take a breather for a bit and come back once you've got some perspective on things.
@huhYeahGoodPoint if that counts as sniping, then you have my apologies, and I would ask to be punished with a temporary threadban rather than having a punishment Event hit everyone else.
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THE WEB OF TREASON MONTH 13 ROLL CALL
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Plan Oshha wins 5-4-2-2-2. A split vote, to be sure.
Roll me 14d100s
Martial
New Contractors
DC: 15. Roll: 19 + 2 + 3.2.
Cost: 4 Budget.
Diplomacy
The Wanderers
DC: 20. Roll: 18 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 2 Budget.
Diplomacy
The Merchant Houses
DC: 23. Roll: 20 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 4 Budget.
Diplomacy
Syasin Inquiries
DC: 15. Roll: 20 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 10 Budget.
Intrigue
Searching For Evidence
DC: 25. Roll: 19 + 2.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Learning
Potion Assistance
DC: 20. Roll: 23
Stewardship
Polite Questions
DC: 15. Roll: 16 + 3.6 + 3.6.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Piety
Spiritual Alliances
DC: 28. Roll: 22 + 2.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Event Chain 2A "The Siege of Castle Liyovyi"
Event Chain 2B "The Allied Advance"
Event Chain 2C "The Baron's Response"
Event Chain 2D "The Royal Army's Return"
Event Chain 5 "The Advent of the Syasin"
Random Event Roll
Roll me 14d100s
Martial
New Contractors
DC: 15. Roll: 19 + 2 + 3.2.
Cost: 4 Budget.
Diplomacy
The Wanderers
DC: 20. Roll: 18 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 2 Budget.
Diplomacy
The Merchant Houses
DC: 23. Roll: 20 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 4 Budget.
Diplomacy
Syasin Inquiries
DC: 15. Roll: 20 + 2 + 1.
Cost: 10 Budget.
Intrigue
Searching For Evidence
DC: 25. Roll: 19 + 2.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Learning
Potion Assistance
DC: 20. Roll: 23
Stewardship
Polite Questions
DC: 15. Roll: 16 + 3.6 + 3.6.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Piety
Spiritual Alliances
DC: 28. Roll: 22 + 2.
Cost: 0 Budget.
Event Chain 2A "The Siege of Castle Liyovyi"
Event Chain 2B "The Allied Advance"
Event Chain 2C "The Baron's Response"
Event Chain 2D "The Royal Army's Return"
Event Chain 5 "The Advent of the Syasin"
Random Event Roll
Chimeraguard
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- USA
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